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Postby Old Blazing » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:24 pm

Genivaria wrote:
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Learn a trade. Work with your hands, break a sweat for a living.

I am. I'm looking into a job for comcast at the moment.
And I've been doing nothing BUT working with my hands.


Telling me to unplug my router and plug it back in is not a trade.

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Postby Felrik » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:25 pm

Merizoc wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Corporeal violence only increases the resistance of the strong-willed, as does capital violence. If you didn't want whiny kids you should have killed them.
I have been beaten with hands, shoes, belts, palm fronds, papers, books and sticks by people acting as my parents.
And I say fuck you to all of them.

Non-corporeal violence on the other hand never hurt a fly.


Hahahahaha :rofl: , the puns be hitting hard.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:36 pm

Old Blazing wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I am. I'm looking into a job for comcast at the moment.
And I've been doing nothing BUT working with my hands.


Telling me to unplug my router and plug it back in is not a trade.

:roll:
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:38 pm

Isn't it kind of historical tradition for the previous generation to shit on the current generation?
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:40 pm

Pandeeria wrote:Isn't it kind of historical tradition for the previous generation to shit on the current generation?

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:16 am

A lot of the harshest critics of the millenial/generation Y here and elsewere seem to come from from said generation.

The people taking out political correctness of this generation, be they left or right wing, underestimate just how fucking huge they are.

In a way, along with other things, the current generation seems like the most self critical.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:34 am

The balkens wrote:
Unified Governments wrote:Do explain.


shit was better before people in the 90s were born.

the solution is clear.

Completely false. Everything horrible about modern day was here before people in the 90's were born.

More things even. Barely anyone was as hard working as they think they were. Barely anyone was as tough as they think they were. And the ones that think they were contribute nothing but excess decadence and decay.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:35 am

Pandeeria wrote:Isn't it kind of historical tradition for the previous generation to shit on the current generation?

For millennia, yes. Nostalgia is a powerful force.

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:38 am

Unified Governments wrote:Speaking as a Millennial, I can quite confidently say that my generation is Generation Snowflake.

Self entitlement and whinyness was definately a thing in the early and mid 20th centuries every internet tough guy ever bends over backwards for.

Tell me, do you have an idea why Catcher in the Rye was so popular for young adults in its time? Because the youth back then related so much to it's main characters grievances.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Wed Aug 10, 2016 12:40 am

Senegalboy wrote:
Unified Governments wrote:A Millenial. Though I wouldn't call myself disappointed. I just despise my own generation.

I dislike teenagers they all so usless

Great argument.

New Axiom wrote:Which generation is millenials?

Anyone born from the early 1980's to early 2000's.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:46 am

Merizoc wrote:I cant help but find it a bit rich that younger people are called entitled when their parents could leave school with a bachelors and buy a house.


Because wages then were consistent with the cost of living. It's not entitlement, it's that the dollar went a lot further 30-40 years ago than it does now. There has also been a substantial difference in the way we view money between the generations of our parents and us. Back when your parents (mine only finished building their house in 1992) were kicking it around in the late 70's and early 80's, housing was cheap, because people didn't treat housing as a commodity to the same extent that they do now. Housing was seen as something as essential, not an investment that people could buy into. That only came in the 80's, when people brought things because they could, including property. Along with inflation, as money generally tends to lose value over time, housing prices shot up but wages didn't. They increased, but not at the same rate which meant that younger generations now face the difficulties of trying to save up (or even pay rent) for a home loan in order to get into the market.

It's not really a sense of entitlement, they just had the fortune of being the one of the last generations of people that had their wages go further than they do now, at a time when people didn't really think of housing as something to be traded like stocks.

And there is a sense of entitlement about the millennial generation, especially when it comes to housing. We expect that we can go and do the same things our parents did when they were the same age as us and when we find out we can't, we complain. We don't think it's fair. That is a sense of entitlement, because we just assume that we can do the same things our parents did and have the same abilities as they did. We don't like the fact that things have changed. We don't like having student debt or massive mortgages to finance. That's not to say that it's fair, but to deny that there isn't a sense of entitlement ignores the wider sentiments of our generation.
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Postby Senegalboy » Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:29 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
The balkens wrote:
shit was better before people in the 90s were born.

the solution is clear.

Completely false. Everything horrible about modern day was here before people in the 90's were born.

More things even. Barely anyone was as hard working as they think they were. Barely anyone was as tough as they think they were. And the ones that think they were contribute nothing but excess decadence and decay.

1990s were a time of peace well not peace but a period break from the wars
This is the thing when I go into a kebab shop in my area something happens
I went from school to the kebab shop I come home and then what do I see on the news world trade centre has been attacked
ie 9/11

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Postby Cheongji » Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:32 am

Technology has advanced to the point of assisting humans with tasks and such. I think the Millenials know the best in utilizing them, thus utilizing them the most, leading to less work done than individuals in the past.

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:39 am

Cheongji wrote:Technology has advanced to the point of assisting humans with tasks and such. I think the Millenials know the best in utilizing them, thus utilizing them the most, leading to less work done than individuals in the past.

That's an interesting point.

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Postby Cheongji » Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:41 am

Alvecia wrote:
Cheongji wrote:Technology has advanced to the point of assisting humans with tasks and such. I think the Millenials know the best in utilizing them, thus utilizing them the most, leading to less work done than individuals in the past.

That's an interesting point.


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Postby San Marlindo » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:40 am

Senegalboy wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Completely false. Everything horrible about modern day was here before people in the 90's were born.

More things even. Barely anyone was as hard working as they think they were. Barely anyone was as tough as they think they were. And the ones that think they were contribute nothing but excess decadence and decay.

1990s were a time of peace well not peace but a period break from the wars
This is the thing when I go into a kebab shop in my area something happens
I went from school to the kebab shop I come home and then what do I see on the news world trade centre has been attacked
ie 9/11


Break from the wars?

There were eleven wars on the African continent alone during the 1990s. The largest war in Africa's modern history, the Second Congo War, started in the 1990s. That's not even mentioning the Gulf War and the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. And the breakup of Yugoslavia. Serbs? Croats? Ethnic cleansing? Any of this ringing a bell?
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Postby Cheongji » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:42 am

San Marlindo wrote:
Senegalboy wrote:1990s were a time of peace well not peace but a period break from the wars
This is the thing when I go into a kebab shop in my area something happens
I went from school to the kebab shop I come home and then what do I see on the news world trade centre has been attacked
ie 9/11


Break from the wars?

There were eleven wars on the African continent alone during the 1990s. The largest war in Africa's modern history, the Second Congo War, started in the 1990s. That's not even mentioning the Gulf War and the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. And the breakup of Yugoslavia. Serbs? Croats? Ethnic cleansing? Any of this ringing a bell?


Wait. Wasn't Boer War the biggest?

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Postby Hoyteca » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:10 am

The biggest problem is that nostalgia clouds context. Look at all the people who think 1950s America was some kind of utopia, as if Leave if to Beaver was a documentary. They forget about McCarthy (or remember him as a Commie-busting hero), segregation, fear of total nuclear annihilation (it wasn't later until people realized the Soviets weren't nuke-happy villains straight from an episode of Captain Planet), etc.

For my generation (millenials), I've heard us described as entitled, lazy, unmotivated uneducated Communists (who take breaks from worshipping Lenin by playing the Knock-Out game apparently) by my own parents. To my face. I'm told older generations didn't have everything as easy as millenials. Because good paying jobs that only require a high school diploma are as plentiful as they used to be.

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Postby Herador » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:57 am

Pandeeria wrote:Isn't it kind of historical tradition for the previous generation to shit on the current generation?

From an 1816 issue of the Times of London wrote:The indecent foreign dance called the Waltz was introduced ... at the English Court on Friday last ... It is quite sufficient to cast one's eyes on the voluptuous intertwining of the limbs, and close compressure of the bodies ... to see that it is far indeed removed from the modest reserve which has hitherto been considered distinctive of English females...[Now that it is] forced on the respectable classes of society by the evil example of their superiors, we feel it a duty to warn every parent against exposing his daughter to so fatal a contagion.


Book III of Odes, circa 20 BC, Horace wrote:Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more
worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more
corrupt.


Plato wrote:The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

Yeah, I'd say so.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:07 am

Genivaria wrote:
Old Blazing wrote:
Learn a trade. Work with your hands, break a sweat for a living.

I am. I'm looking into a job for comcast at the moment.
And I've been doing nothing BUT working with my hands.

You and Brad
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Postby Germanic Templars » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:24 am

Genivaria wrote:
Old Blazing wrote:
Learn a trade. Work with your hands, break a sweat for a living.

I am. I'm looking into a job for comcast at the moment.
And I've been doing nothing BUT working with my hands.


Again, there is always the military. Could become one of those in the engineer field like electrician, plumber, watercraft engineer, maybe even firefighter if ya fancy fightin' fires.

You don't have to like the military, you can go reserves and deal with them once a month for several years. Some of yer companies are willing to hire veterans who have been at their job for years now.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:28 am

Germanic Templars wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I am. I'm looking into a job for comcast at the moment.
And I've been doing nothing BUT working with my hands.


Again, there is always the military. Could become one of those in the engineer field like electrician, plumber, watercraft engineer, maybe even firefighter if ya fancy fightin' fires.

You don't have to like the military, you can go reserves and deal with them once a month for several years. Some of yer companies are willing to hire veterans who have been at their job for years now.

I don't know, man. We could probably just take for granted that the dude has a pretty good handle on his situation and that we don't know enough about his life from a few short forum posts to really offer anything that he hasn't considered or is directly relevant to his life.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:31 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:
Again, there is always the military. Could become one of those in the engineer field like electrician, plumber, watercraft engineer, maybe even firefighter if ya fancy fightin' fires.

You don't have to like the military, you can go reserves and deal with them once a month for several years. Some of yer companies are willing to hire veterans who have been at their job for years now.

I don't know, man. We could probably just take for granted that the dude has a pretty good handle on his situation and that we don't know enough about his life from a few short forum posts to really offer anything that he hasn't considered or is directly relevant to his life.


That's true, still doesn't hurt to show more options to better help out.

Then again, I am running on less than 3 hours of sleep on day 3 of the week of sleep deprivation so I am losing my mind slowly. :P

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Postby Arkinesia » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:35 am

Merizoc wrote:I cant help but find it a bit rich that younger people are called entitled when their parents could leave school with a bachelors and buy a house.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:37 am

Old Blazing wrote:Learn a trade. Work with your hands, break a sweat for a living.

That's good advice if you're living in the 80s or the decades prior. Not so sure about 2016.
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