Yet another Islamic terror attack in Europe

[Jumalariik]

Or we could just treat it like a child seeking attention and stop glorifying it.

It's a problem and it needs to be dealt with, but sensationalism is making the problem worse, not better.

K.

So now we need to talk less about the problem and mourn less publicly? Should we treat Islam just like everything else at this point?

[Jumalariik]

Or we could just treat it like a child seeking attention and stop glorifying it.

It's a problem and it needs to be dealt with, but sensationalism is making the problem worse, not better.

Obviously if every single Muslim in Europe was deported these attacks would stop completely.

Actually yes. If there were no Muslims in Europe there would be no Islamist terrorism in Europe. That's actually logical. Doesn't mean there'd be no terrorism, but there would be no Islamic terrorism. In fact, terrorism would be greatly reduced.

(I'm not saying we should deport all Muslims, but it would nearly solve the terrorism problem in Europe tbh)

[Alvecia]

Obviously if every single Muslim in Europe was deported these attacks would stop completely.

Actually yes. If there were no Muslims in Europe there would be no Islamist terrorism in Europe. That's actually logical. Doesn't mean there'd be no terrorism, but there would be no Islamic terrorism. In fact, terrorism would be greatly reduced.

(I'm not saying we should deport all Muslims, but it would nearly solve the terrorism problem in Europe tbh)

Given, as I understand it, the majority of terrorist attacks are committed by home grown and/or newly converted Muslims, I don't think it'd be as effective as you think it'd be.

[Vassenor]

Actually yes. If there were no Muslims in Europe there would be no Islamist terrorism in Europe. That's actually logical. Doesn't mean there'd be no terrorism, but there would be no Islamic terrorism. In fact, terrorism would be greatly reduced.

(I'm not saying we should deport all Muslims, but it would nearly solve the terrorism problem in Europe tbh)

Given, as I understand it, the majority of terrorist attacks are committed by home grown and/or newly converted Muslims, I don't think it'd be as effective as you think it'd be.

And the persecution involved in Ethnic Cleansing totally wouldn't result in more radicalisation. No sire.

[Jumalariik]

Actually yes. If there were no Muslims in Europe there would be no Islamist terrorism in Europe. That's actually logical. Doesn't mean there'd be no terrorism, but there would be no Islamic terrorism. In fact, terrorism would be greatly reduced.

(I'm not saying we should deport all Muslims, but it would nearly solve the terrorism problem in Europe tbh)

Given, as I understand it, the majority of terrorist attacks are committed by home grown and/or newly converted Muslims, I don't think it'd be as effective as you think it'd be.

If you're born in Europe and a Muslim, you're still a Muslim. He was saying deport all Muslims. All Muslims includes Muslims born in Europe. If all C is part of D, then what applies to D also applies to C if one needs it to be put in that format.

[Jumalariik]

Given, as I understand it, the majority of terrorist attacks are committed by home grown and/or newly converted Muslims, I don't think it'd be as effective as you think it'd be.

And the persecution involved in Ethnic Cleansing totally wouldn't result in more radicalisation. No sire.

But if they're all gone, then the radicalization wouldn't lead to terrorism. We're not talking about effective or moral state craft. We're talking about a possible way that would end the majority of European Terrorism. I'm not proposing it be done. Don't interpret what I'm saying that way. I am however saying that if there were no Muslims in Europe, terrorism would be drastically less prevalent.

[Vassenor]

And the persecution involved in Ethnic Cleansing totally wouldn't result in more radicalisation. No sire.

But if they're all gone, then the radicalization wouldn't lead to terrorism. We're not talking about effective or moral state craft. We're talking about a possible way that would end the majority of European Terrorism. I'm not proposing it be done. Don't interpret what I'm saying that way. I am however saying that if there were no Muslims in Europe, terrorism would be drastically less prevalent.

I fail to see how committing crimes against humanity is a good thing.

[Enesia]

But if they're all gone, then the radicalization wouldn't lead to terrorism. We're not talking about effective or moral state craft. We're talking about a possible way that would end the majority of European Terrorism. I'm not proposing it be done. Don't interpret what I'm saying that way. I am however saying that if there were no Muslims in Europe, terrorism would be drastically less prevalent.

I fail to see how committing crimes against humanity is a good thing.

I fail to see how committing crimes against ordinary europeans is a good thing?

[Alvecia]

Given, as I understand it, the majority of terrorist attacks are committed by home grown and/or newly converted Muslims, I don't think it'd be as effective as you think it'd be.

If you're born in Europe and a Muslim, you're still a Muslim. He was saying deport all Muslims. All Muslims includes Muslims born in Europe. If all C is part of D, then what applies to D also applies to C if one needs it to be put in that format.

True but if you were born in Europe not a Muslim, then became a Muslim after all Muslims had been kicked out, then you would be a Muslim in Europe.
Given that most places don't ask you your religion at the door, I can't imagine it'd be that difficult to hide. Or lie. Whichever takes your fancy.

[Vassenor]

I fail to see how committing crimes against humanity is a good thing.

I fail to see how committing crimes against ordinary europeans is a good thing?

[Enesia]

I fail to see how committing crimes against ordinary europeans is a good thing?

You either deport them and save your life or let them stay and risk your life, there is no middle ground on this issue.
''Crimes against humanity'' pfff... What about their crimes against humanity! If we don't deport all muslims to their countries of origin there WILL BE NO HUMANITY LEFT !

[Vassenor]

You either deport them and save your life or let them stay and risk your life, there is no middle ground on this issue.
''Crimes against humanity'' pfff... What about their crimes against humanity! If we don't deport all muslims to their countries of origin there WILL BE NO HUMANITY LEFT !

And what about those Muslims whose country of origin is the country in Europe where they currently live?

[Internationalist Bastard]

You either deport them and save your life or let them stay and risk your life, there is no middle ground on this issue.
''Crimes against humanity'' pfff... What about their crimes against humanity! If we don't deport all muslims to their countries of origin there WILL BE NO HUMANITY LEFT !

Yes, let's deport those home grown terrorists back to their home country

[Alvecia]

You either deport them and save your life or let them stay and risk your life, there is no middle ground on this issue.

Well there is actually. You could apply some low level reasoning and realise that:
A) letting all Muslims stay isn't going to kill you
B) getting rid of all Muslims isn't going to save you

[Enesia]

You either deport them and save your life or let them stay and risk your life, there is no middle ground on this issue.
''Crimes against humanity'' pfff... What about their crimes against humanity! If we don't deport all muslims to their countries of origin there WILL BE NO HUMANITY LEFT !

And what about those Muslims whose country of origin is the country in Europe where they currently live?

You mean people like Bosnian's or Albanians? They should pack their things and run for Turkey since they love it so much. They are nothing more than remnants of the old Ottoman Empire. They claim they are secularists but more and more of them are turning to wahhabism especially in Bosnia and Kosovo. Turkey and Saudi Arabia are building mosques and religious schools in this countries in ever increasing numbers. ACT now and save your lives, jobs and culture before it's too late.

[Jumalariik]

But if they're all gone, then the radicalization wouldn't lead to terrorism. We're not talking about effective or moral state craft. We're talking about a possible way that would end the majority of European Terrorism. I'm not proposing it be done. Don't interpret what I'm saying that way. I am however saying that if there were no Muslims in Europe, terrorism would be drastically less prevalent.

I fail to see how committing crimes against humanity is a good thing.

"I'm not proposing it be done. Don't interpret what I'm saying that way. I am however saying that if there were no Muslims in Europe, terrorism would be drastically less prevalent."

I didn't say it was a good thing. You know that I did not say it was a good thing. I would like you to be honest about that. If of course you did not know that I was saying that it was not a good idea, this might be useful:
http://www.englishspeak.com/english-lessons.cfm

Seriously. I said it was not a good idea. You did not argue against my point, which broadly speaking is that Muslims commit the vast vast majority of European deadly terror acts at this point. I was therefore saying that if there were no Muslims in Europe, there would be drastically less terrorism. I clearly said that I did not endorse the idea, but merely that it would decrease terrorism. I am not trying to be mean, and I'm sorry for the snarky link, but I honestly don't think there are other options than either 1. you failed to understand what I said (which was in pretty easy English, in fact I just checked, it's basically 8th grade level according to https://readability-score.com/text/) 2. the other possibility is that you are deliberately not confronting my actual argument and simply being disingenuous. Which one is the case?

[Jumalariik]

If you're born in Europe and a Muslim, you're still a Muslim. He was saying deport all Muslims. All Muslims includes Muslims born in Europe. If all C is part of D, then what applies to D also applies to C if one needs it to be put in that format.

True but if you were born in Europe not a Muslim, then became a Muslim after all Muslims had been kicked out, then you would be a Muslim in Europe.
Given that most places don't ask you your religion at the door, I can't imagine it'd be that difficult to hide. Or lie. Whichever takes your fancy.

Still. If Europe had the same ethnic makeup as it did in 1946, I doubt this would be happening. We all know that the immigration thats been happening is a large cause of terrorism in every country.

[Alvecia]

True but if you were born in Europe not a Muslim, then became a Muslim after all Muslims had been kicked out, then you would be a Muslim in Europe.
Given that most places don't ask you your religion at the door, I can't imagine it'd be that difficult to hide. Or lie. Whichever takes your fancy.

Still. If Europe had the same ethnic makeup as it did in 1946, I doubt this would be happening. We all know that the immigration thats been happening is a large cause of terrorism in every country.

Yeah, it's the immigration that the cause of terrorism. Sure.
Can't imagine any other geopolitical factors that could be the cause of terrorism.
None at all.
Nope.

[Jumalariik]

Still. If Europe had the same ethnic makeup as it did in 1946, I doubt this would be happening. We all know that the immigration thats been happening is a large cause of terrorism in every country.

Yeah, it's the immigration that the cause of terrorism. Sure.
Can't imagine any other geopolitical factors that could be the cause of terrorism.
None at all.
Nope.

So yes. We agree. Islam and immigration are the cause of terrorism in the West.

[Alvecia]

Yeah, it's the immigration that the cause of terrorism. Sure.
Can't imagine any other geopolitical factors that could be the cause of terrorism.
None at all.
Nope.

So yes. We agree. Islam and immigration are the cause of terrorism in the West.

Yes. Just those things. That Islam is a thing that exists, and that some in the West practice it.
There are absolutely no other causes of terrorism. Nooooone.
Sure. Whatever.

[Grand Britannia]

This went from something that happened once or twice a year, to once every month, to once every few days.

When exactly will Europe decide to do something that's ACTUALLY effective?

[Gauthier]

So yes. We agree. Islam and immigration are the cause of terrorism in the West.

Yes. Just those things. That Islam is a thing that exists, and that some in the West practice it.
There are absolutely no other causes of terrorism. Nooooone.
Sure. Whatever.

Terrorism never existed before Muslims invented it. *nod*

[Nariterrr]

This went from something that happened once or twice a year, to once every month, to once every few days.

When exactly will Europe decide to do something that's ACTUALLY effective?

Any ideas?

[Alvecia]

This went from something that happened once or twice a year, to once every month, to once every few days.

When exactly will Europe decide to do something that's ACTUALLY effective?

You know it just occurred to me that we could have been doing that all along.
Instead of trying to sort out this hugely complex social and geopolitical issue using our current methods of trying to address the problem, we could have just used that one simply and easy method, guaranteed to destroy 99.9% of terrorism in just one wipe.

[Enesia]

So yes. We agree. Islam and immigration are the cause of terrorism in the West.

Yes. Just those things. That Islam is a thing that exists, and that some in the West practice it.
There are absolutely no other causes of terrorism. Nooooone.
Sure. Whatever.

Even other forms of terrorism, like the case of Anders Breivik are partially caused by islam and multiculuralism. That man was so upset and worried for his country that it caused him to act so radically.