When those religious beliefs harm either other individuals/groups, or the ability for the government to function, yes we really do.
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by Renewed Imperial Germany » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:48 am
by Elepis » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:55 am
Mammoth Weed Mountain wrote:If you physically abuse LGBT child, just for being LGBT, obviously yes. But if you just disagree with their decision, no.
by Central European Commonwealth » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:59 am
Elepis wrote:Mammoth Weed Mountain wrote:If you physically abuse LGBT child, just for being LGBT, obviously yes. But if you just disagree with their decision, no.
But....how can you disagree with being LGBTQ? It is not something you can agree to or disagree to, it just happens, like being blond or having fingers.
by Ifreann » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:07 am
by Dream Rua » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:01 am
Serksis Federation wrote:Putting a kid up for adoption is not illegal, no matter the reason.
The law also say that if a parent abuses a child at ALL, no matter the reason if it be lgbt related or not. Abuse is abuse, adoption is NOT abuse.
by Grenartia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:49 pm
Serksis Federation wrote:Grenartia wrote:
1. Please direct me to where I ever said that they should be.
3. Can you rephrase the question into something less confusing?
1. The entire thread is if parents who reject their lgbt kids by abusing, abandoning, or putting them up for adoption should be guilty of abuse. 2. I pointed out that the first two were already illegal for all kids, and you agreed. 3. Making the only part of the thread up for debate would be if lgbt kids getting put up for adoption for being lgbt would be considered abuse. 4. To which I say no, and you disagree. So why should a family who rejects their child by putting them up for adoption (because adoption method would be included in the sphere of rejection) be guilty for child abuse?Grenartia wrote:
While everything you say is true, and that putting a kid up for adoption is infinitely preferable to abusing said kid, I do think that if you are, for whatever reason, incapable of supporting a child who is LGBT, precisely because they are LGBT, to the extent that your options are abandoning them, abusing them, or giving them up for adoption, then you probably shouldn't be having kids in the first place. It shows a clear signal that you are not mature enough as a person to handle the responsibility of guiding a child into a reasonably well-adjusted adult.
5. By putting the kid up for adoption the family is not being open, positive, accepting to their kid being lgbt. 6. In the next sentence you correlated this to maturity and raising a well-adjusted adult. 7. How would not being accepting, and open, and positive to a lgbt person be a clear signal that you are not mature enough as a person to handle the responsibility of guiding a child into a reasonably well-adjusted adult?
8. Perhaps I misunderstood.
by Grenartia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:54 pm
by Grenartia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:56 pm
Ifreann wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Nor do we need to force them to violate their religious beliefs.
We might not need to. We're still going to, because taxes are super useful for having a government that can govern shit, and if we gave people a pass because they say the Flying Spaghetti Monster told them to stop paying taxes then no one would pay taxes.
by United Marxist Nations » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:06 pm
Grenartia wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Nor do we need to force them to violate their religious beliefs.
If their religious beliefs cause them to harm others (yes, even their own children), then by all means, we should force them to violate their religious beliefs. There's a reason we don't allow people to marry kids just because "muh religion".
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by Grenartia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:31 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Grenartia wrote:
If their religious beliefs cause them to harm others (yes, even their own children), then by all means, we should force them to violate their religious beliefs. There's a reason we don't allow people to marry kids just because "muh religion".
Marrying children would be forcing other people to follow their religion, not just practicing their religion.
Moreover, that is something wholly different from forcing someone to sponsor sexual transition or homosexual intercourse.
by United Marxist Nations » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:37 pm
Grenartia wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Marrying children would be forcing other people to follow their religion, not just practicing their religion.
Moreover, that is something wholly different from forcing someone to sponsor sexual transition or homosexual intercourse.
Since when was making people not treat their queer kid like shit "forcing them to sponsor sexual transition or homosexual intercourse"?
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by Neos Ptolemaion » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:41 pm
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:How? I don't technically have legal obligation to them at that point, so, if they do something that they can't take back, and which violates my religious beliefs, why shouldn't I disown them?
Because, they are still your child, and disowning them is more or less telling them 'you don't matter to me.' Religion of love my ass.
by Grenartia » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:51 pm
by Greater Orensta » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:58 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:30 pm
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by Arcipelago » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:30 pm
Central European Commonwealth wrote:Elepis wrote:
But....how can you disagree with being LGBTQ? It is not something you can agree to or disagree to, it just happens, like being blond or having fingers.
Exactly. And that's why it becomes abuse when parents "disagree" with it and start giving their kids grief for it.
by Khalisako » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:51 pm
Hurdergaryp wrote:Oh, Khalisako... my dear, precious little Khalisako...
sometimes I just want to grab you by the throat and choke you for a while,
but that would not be proper behaviour. It just wouldn't do.
by Forniphiliac Limbo of Inabilis » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:03 pm
by Central European Commonwealth » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:30 pm
Arcipelago wrote:LGBT children should be treated like any other, including in terms of abuse. So quite frankly the level of rejection and effect should be more important than the why.
by Alvecia » Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:59 am
Khalisako wrote:If a parent tries to murder or harm their child for such a thing than they are mentally and spiritually lost and should be put in prison.
For example, transsexuals are like witches. They can bring good or bad fortunes into your house, but their path in life is chosen by the creator as a jorney to be taken and learned from, be it for whatever reason.
I don't really know about homosexuals and whatever. I've never heard of any purpose for them but... I don't believe it's acceptable to give troubles to them. Maybe child acts gay, if you feel disgusted by it than simply avoid him. This thin of poisoning and shoving off roofs is unacceptable. Medical systems should be functional enough to accomodate needs of such people... of anybody really. Hopefully everybody.
by Central European Commonwealth » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:02 am
Alvecia wrote:Khalisako wrote:If a parent tries to murder or harm their child for such a thing than they are mentally and spiritually lost and should be put in prison.
For example, transsexuals are like witches. They can bring good or bad fortunes into your house, but their path in life is chosen by the creator as a jorney to be taken and learned from, be it for whatever reason.
I don't really know about homosexuals and whatever. I've never heard of any purpose for them but... I don't believe it's acceptable to give troubles to them. Maybe child acts gay, if you feel disgusted by it than simply avoid him. This thin of poisoning and shoving off roofs is unacceptable. Medical systems should be functional enough to accomodate needs of such people... of anybody really. Hopefully everybody.
Lolwat?
by Grenartia » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:21 am
by Grenartia » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:27 am
by The Alma Mater » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:30 am
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