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So who do we want leading the Labour Party?

Jeremy Corbyn
142
48%
Owen Smith
66
22%
Lord Helix
89
30%
 
Total votes : 297

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:54 am

Val Halla wrote:LibDems say they will block the raising ot tuition fees.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36856026

They should actually do something this time.


In as much as they can actually do that with just nine MPs.
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Postby Wolfmanne2 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:55 am

Val Halla wrote:LibDems say they will block the raising ot tuition fees.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36856026

They should actually do something this time.

It would had been better if they decided to shut up, all this reminds people is of that time when they had the numbers to prevent a tuition fee rise they didn't.
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:56 am

Vassenor wrote:
Val Halla wrote:LibDems say they will block the raising ot tuition fees.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36856026

They should actually do something this time.


In as much as they can actually do that with just nine MPs.

Well if they're forcing a vote on it they can. However, I doubt it'll succeed, considering the whole Tory majority thing
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:57 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Val Halla wrote:LibDems say they will block the raising ot tuition fees.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36856026

They should actually do something this time.

It would had been better if they decided to shut up, all this reminds people is of that time when they had the numbers to prevent a tuition fee rise they didn't.

I think that's one of the main reasons the lib dems are where they are right no, so I doubt everyone has forgotten
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:58 am

Wolfmanne2 wrote:
Val Halla wrote:LibDems say they will block the raising ot tuition fees.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36856026

They should actually do something this time.

It would had been better if they decided to shut up, all this reminds people is of that time when they had the numbers to prevent a tuition fee rise they didn't.


It's just a little bit late for the principle boomerang to return.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:04 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Just as 'fucking hilarious', no doubt, as tying bacon to a synagogue.

Yes. That is likewise hilarious. Problem is that our media and institutions are obsessed with preventing mockery of Islam, so the jokes have to be done by "grafitti" of sorts rather than in person.

Zombie Jesus is also funny.

Tying bacon to a synagogue or a mosque isn't funny. There's no joke there. Zombie Jesus is funny because it's an actual joke.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:06 am

Conscentia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Yes. That is likewise hilarious. Problem is that our media and institutions are obsessed with preventing mockery of Islam, so the jokes have to be done by "grafitti" of sorts rather than in person.

Zombie Jesus is also funny.

Tying bacon to a synagogue or a mosque isn't funny. There's no joke there. Zombie Jesus is funny because it's an actual joke.


How about piss-christ?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:08 am

Val Halla wrote:LibDems say they will block the raising ot tuition fees.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36856026

They should actually do something this time.


Can they do that with 8 MPs?
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:12 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Val Halla wrote:LibDems say they will block the raising ot tuition fees.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36856026

They should actually do something this time.


Can they do that with 8 MPs?

I'm going to assume "force a vote" means something will happen.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:14 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Tying bacon to a synagogue or a mosque isn't funny. There's no joke there. Zombie Jesus is funny because it's an actual joke.

How about piss-christ?

This? It's not funny, and was not intended to be funny. It's a pretentious work of art. According to it's Wiki page, it's not even a criticism of Christianity so it's not like it furthers your argument to mention it.

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Postby Frank Zipper » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:16 am

Who is that bloke, who looks like a short fat Russell Brand, who is always lurking in the background near Jeremy Corbyn?
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Postby Elepis » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:25 am

Frank Zipper wrote:Who is that bloke, who looks like a short fat Russell Brand, who is always lurking in the background near Jeremy Corbyn?


photo?

I suspect it is mentor, Zeg Frat Beezbub Frant Fatang
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Postby Britanno 2 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:26 am

Frank Zipper wrote:Who is that bloke, who looks like a short fat Russell Brand, who is always lurking in the background near Jeremy Corbyn?

Do you mean Ben Chacko? He's editor of the Morning Star and always seems to be near Corbyn.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:55 am

Frank Zipper wrote:Who is that bloke, who looks like a short fat Russell Brand, who is always lurking in the background near Jeremy Corbyn?

Its clearly Sidious the Dark lord of the Sith, ensuring his apprentice goes forward with his plans.
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Postby Frank Zipper » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:17 am

Britanno 2 wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:Who is that bloke, who looks like a short fat Russell Brand, who is always lurking in the background near Jeremy Corbyn?

Do you mean Ben Chacko? He's editor of the Morning Star and always seems to be near Corbyn.


Thanks, so that is who he is.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:56 am

https://archive.is/YASrX

75% of news reports dealing with Corbyn are counter-factual.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:49 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36853952

Seems the French president isn't keen on our new PMs approach to preparing before brexit, trying to use the situation to impact his reelection chances. So much for him being a socialist, or believing in European unity, unless he belives in a more Stalinist form of socialism. We may end up negotiating with a right wing French president, who would be more likley to cooperate with us.

Of course, he still wants us to cooperate on defence. I have to wonder if they worry about the possibility of having to face Russia without UK support, and if our government plan to use that during negotiations... :twisted:
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:55 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36853952

Seems the French president isn't keen on our new PMs approach to preparing before brexit, trying to use the situation to impact his reelection chances. So much for him being a socialist, or believing in European unity, unless he belives in a more Stalinist form of socialism. We may end up negotiating with a right wing French president, who would be more likley to cooperate with us.

Of course, he still wants us to cooperate on defence. I have to wonder if they worry about the possibility of having to face Russia without UK support, and if our government plan to use that during negotiations... :twisted:


Yes, how dare he not just roll over and do whatever we want.
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Postby Elepis » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:58 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36853952

Seems the French president isn't keen on our new PMs approach to preparing before brexit, trying to use the situation to impact his reelection chances. So much for him being a socialist, or believing in European unity, unless he belives in a more Stalinist form of socialism. We may end up negotiating with a right wing French president, who would be more likley to cooperate with us.

Of course, he still wants us to cooperate on defence. I have to wonder if they worry about the possibility of having to face Russia without UK support, and if our government plan to use that during negotiations... :twisted:


UK isn't that vital for fighting Russia, the US is but UK not so much.

why should he give a toss what we (or rather, the people who voted to leave) want?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:01 am

Elepis wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36853952

Seems the French president isn't keen on our new PMs approach to preparing before brexit, trying to use the situation to impact his reelection chances. So much for him being a socialist, or believing in European unity, unless he belives in a more Stalinist form of socialism. We may end up negotiating with a right wing French president, who would be more likley to cooperate with us.

Of course, he still wants us to cooperate on defence. I have to wonder if they worry about the possibility of having to face Russia without UK support, and if our government plan to use that during negotiations... :twisted:


UK isn't that vital for fighting Russia, the US is but UK not so much.

why should he give a toss what we (or rather, the people who voted to leave) want?


Because supposedly our buying French wine is the only thing keeping their economy going. So clearly it's in their best interests to give us a trade deal we like.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:04 am

Vassenor wrote:
Elepis wrote:
UK isn't that vital for fighting Russia, the US is but UK not so much.

why should he give a toss what we (or rather, the people who voted to leave) want?


Because supposedly our buying French wine is the only thing keeping their economy going. So clearly it's in their best interests to give us a trade deal we like.


Or a trade deal that works for both countries instead of putting political infighting ahead of their national interests.
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:14 am

Elepis wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36853952

Seems the French president isn't keen on our new PMs approach to preparing before brexit, trying to use the situation to impact his reelection chances. So much for him being a socialist, or believing in European unity, unless he belives in a more Stalinist form of socialism. We may end up negotiating with a right wing French president, who would be more likley to cooperate with us.

Of course, he still wants us to cooperate on defence. I have to wonder if they worry about the possibility of having to face Russia without UK support, and if our government plan to use that during negotiations... :twisted:


UK isn't that vital for fighting Russia, the US is but UK not so much.

why should he give a toss what we (or rather, the people who voted to leave) want?


the UK is second only to turkey in places that are really really really insanely important in fighting russia
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:23 am

Elepis wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36853952

Seems the French president isn't keen on our new PMs approach to preparing before brexit, trying to use the situation to impact his reelection chances. So much for him being a socialist, or believing in European unity, unless he belives in a more Stalinist form of socialism. We may end up negotiating with a right wing French president, who would be more likley to cooperate with us.

Of course, he still wants us to cooperate on defence. I have to wonder if they worry about the possibility of having to face Russia without UK support, and if our government plan to use that during negotiations... :twisted:


UK isn't that vital for fighting Russia, the US is but UK not so much.

why should he give a toss what we (or rather, the people who voted to leave) want?

Because UK is a super special snowflake and needs a snowflake deal, and not rolling over and giving that deal is clearly bullying.
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Postby Elepis » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:30 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Elepis wrote:
UK isn't that vital for fighting Russia, the US is but UK not so much.

why should he give a toss what we (or rather, the people who voted to leave) want?


the UK is second only to turkey in places that are really really really insanely important in fighting russia


UK's not that much. Russia would never attack France as they have nukes (more than us) and would never attack NATO anyway with the US. Sure UK helps but we are not absolutely vital.

And if Russia wanted to invade Europe, UK standing there wouldn't stop them
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