Truck Drives Through Crowd in Nice, France

[The Alma Mater]

What narrative?

That every time something happens it must happen for a religious motive.

Is that truly worse than the narrative that a religious motive is never involved and is only used as an excuse ?

[Vassenor]

That every time something happens it must happen for a religious motive.

Is that truly worse than the narrative that a religious motive is never involved and is only used as an excuse ?

I'd say that any narrative where you have to warp reality to make it fit is by definition bad.

And I'm not saying there's never a religious motive. I'm saying there doesn't seem like there is one here.

[Arkinesia]

Gay Christians don't shoot up abortion clinics, though, just as pork-eating, frequent alcohol-drinking Muslims don't blow up shopping malls.

That wasn't the point I was making, the fact that people believe he isn't a Muslim because he drank alcohol and ate pork is what I was arguing against.

I get that, but it's pointless, as it's not relevant to the topic. People who are religious radicals tend to at least make an effort to follow the religion's rules under a literalist framework.

No, you've got it wrong. Shellfish is from the Jewish dietary regulations in Leviticus, which was held over in the Christian scripture.

These regulations were lifted, according to the Apostle Peter, after an angel appeared to him and told him they were no longer applicable.

Can you link the verse, please?

Seriously? Fine. Here you go.

[Olerand]

Hollande, Valls, and the prosecutor of the Republic have called him a terrorist. The minister of he interior has mentioned that new findings suggest he was radicalized over a very short span of time.

Like Omar, he committed a terrorist act and supposedly in the name of a terrorist cause but was not "a terrorist".

I'm forced to use such clunky terminology because of how broken "terrorist" and "terrorism" have become as terms in our modern society. They've become Manchurian Candidate-style trigger phrases.

Lone Wolf, while accurate, doesn't really mean anything. I saw that 5 people have been arrested in connection, but a cursory glance suggested they were all just recent acquaintances, including the ex-wife.

Recent acquaintances, including his ex-wife? That's not what I would call recent. The investigation is ongoing, and the Minister of the Interior, the official most knowledgeable about the subject has said that he was radicalized in a very short time-span.

Hollande, Valls, and the prosecutor of the Republic have called him a terrorist. The minister of he interior has mentioned that new findings suggest he was radicalized over a very short span of time.

It smacks of kowtowing to the alt-right. Say what you will of Mateen, but at least he tried to make his attack look like terrorism, even if the façade was entirely too easy to see through. This guy didn't even go that far.

I don't know what "alt-right" is but I doubt the apparatus of State in France is kowtowing to it.

[Vassenor]

Has the SIO or anyone directly involved in the investigation said anything on the subject?

[Olerand]

The investigation so far has led to the release of his ex-wife (who is his cousin), and to the detainment of two other individuals.
The attack was premeditated, the gun was pre-purchased and acquired from an Albanian source, and he scouted the area for two days prior to the July 14th attack.
Text message records show he was in contact with a radical preacher in Nice, who is actually known to be closer to Al-Qaeda than the IS.
No links to established terrorist groups or rings are known, so it appears that he was radicalized quickly before the attack (and notably after his wife left him) and was for all intents and purposes a "lone wolf".

[Olerand]

Has the SIO or anyone directly involved in the investigation said anything on the subject?

Who?

[The Alma Mater]

The investigation so far has led to the release of his ex-wife (who is his cousin), and to the detainment of two other individuals.
The attack was premeditated, the gun was pre-purchased and acquired from an Albanian source, and he scouted the area for two days prior to the July 14th attack.
Text message records show he was in contact with a radical preacher in Nice, who is actually known to be closer to Al-Qaeda than the IS.
No links to established terrorist groups or rings are known, so it appears that he was radicalized quickly before the attack (and notably after his wife left him) and was for all intents and purposes a "lone wolf".

And the source of the money ? Or was that just the Daily Mail and Co. making stuff up ?

[Olerand]

The investigation so far has led to the release of his ex-wife (who is his cousin), and to the detainment of two other individuals.
The attack was premeditated, the gun was pre-purchased and acquired from an Albanian source, and he scouted the area for two days prior to the July 14th attack.
Text message records show he was in contact with a radical preacher in Nice, who is actually known to be closer to Al-Qaeda than the IS.
No links to established terrorist groups or rings are known, so it appears that he was radicalized quickly before the attack (and notably after his wife left him) and was for all intents and purposes a "lone wolf".

And the source of the money ? Or was that just the Daily Mail and Co. making stuff up ?

Can you elaborate?

[The Alma Mater]

And the source of the money ? Or was that just the Daily Mail and Co. making stuff up ?

Can you elaborate?

The daily mail (and several other papers) claimed he wired about $ 100.000 to his family a few days before the attack.
There are now also claims that he sent a textmessage asking for "more weapons" to one of the people arrested today.

[Olerand]

Can you elaborate?

The daily mail (and several other papers) claimed he wired about $ 100.000 to his family a few days before the attack.
There are now also claims that he sent a textmessage asking for "more weapons" to one of the people arrested today.

The text message part might be true, he has been in contact through text message with his Albanian supplier and his radical imam. French media is reporting little on these texts, so I don't know how Anglo media can know so much.

The money part I have not seen reported on in French media, so I don't know about that.

He did plan this for a while, however. He reserved the truck for July 14th as early as July 4th, and scouted the area for two days ahead of the massacre. He was in contact through text with the people now in detention.

Anyway, Valls and Hollande are saying terrorism is part of the daily reality for France now, and Cazeneuve, minister of the interior, is asking all patriotic French to volunteer for the operational reserves for the army. The state of emergency (completely useless) is being prolonged, and the operational reserves of the army will be tapped into for security reinforcements.

[Eol Sha]

What do you base this assertion on?

The fact that Religious Fundamentalism (or at the very least, bitterness) is high in French Muslim ghettoes.
And ISIS has attacked France many times before. Vwry recently. And the Guy was from Tunisia. Where extreme numbers of radicals are known to come from.

Are you going to call me islamophobic for this? Is this just too uncomfortable for you to handle? Give me a break. It's nearly inevitable that Religion played some part in this.

And although I'd much rather see people blame it on the persons race than their religion, seeing Radical Islam as part of it is something people will very justifiably do.

ISIL had attacked France only once before Thursday. I know it's easy to hate on them, but let's keep the facts straight.

[Creeporistan]

Terrorist or not that guy is a bastard

[Freefall11111]

The fact that Religious Fundamentalism (or at the very least, bitterness) is high in French Muslim ghettoes.
And ISIS has attacked France many times before. Vwry recently. And the Guy was from Tunisia. Where extreme numbers of radicals are known to come from.

Are you going to call me islamophobic for this? Is this just too uncomfortable for you to handle? Give me a break. It's nearly inevitable that Religion played some part in this.

And although I'd much rather see people blame it on the persons race than their religion, seeing Radical Islam as part of it is something people will very justifiably do.

ISIL had attacked France only once before Thursday. I know it's easy to hate on them, but let's keep the facts straight.

Once you say? Only once? Are you sure?

[Imperializt Russia]

ISIL had attacked France only once before Thursday. I know it's easy to hate on them, but let's keep the facts straight.

Once you say? Only once? Are you sure?

Aren't all of those "inspired lone wolf" attacks apart from the Paris attack?

[Freefall11111]

Once you say? Only once? Are you sure?

Aren't all of those "inspired lone wolf" attacks apart from the Paris attack?

It's not completely clear, but there are suspected either direct or indirect ISIL links for those specific attacks.

[Xadufell]

Prime minister Valls: Get used to terrorism

https://heatst.com/uk/nice-attack-frenc ... er-84-die/

Mmm... I think it's time we get new leadership. Preferably right wing leadership, as our current left wing leadership has failed us.

[Liriena]

Preferably right wing leadership, as our current left wing leadership has failed us.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater and yada yada.

That Hollande's administration has been lacklustre does not mean Sarkozy or Le Pen should be put in charge.

[PaNTuXIa]

So why do we keep making this about Islam when it's pretty clear the guy was emotionally unstable and off his medication?

Because the corporate media needs the American public to know their imaginary enemy.

[The Alma Mater]

So why do we keep making this about Islam when it's pretty clear the guy was emotionally unstable and off his medication?

Because the corporate media needs the American public to know their imaginary enemy.

Which is probably why the French police have now revealed that the driver had been studying ISIS and the Bataclan attacks in great detail for the past few weeks.

[Gauthier]

Because the corporate media needs the American public to know their imaginary enemy.

Which is probably why the French police have now revealed that the driver had been studying ISIS and the Bataclan attacks in great detail for the past few weeks.

So a fanboy.

[The Alma Mater]

Which is probably why the French police have now revealed that the driver had been studying ISIS and the Bataclan attacks in great detail for the past few weeks.

So a fanboy.

Yep. Not unexpected of course.

[Imperializt Russia]

Because the corporate media needs the American public to know their imaginary enemy.

Which is probably why the French police have now revealed that the driver had been studying ISIS and the Bataclan attacks in great detail for the past few weeks.

Like, two weeks, as it's being reported by British news media.

They made a point that he'd also been looking up military footage and car crash images, which suggests to me that sheer disturbed bloodlust still trumps ideology here.

French PM was also booed today at a minute's silence in Nice. People in the crowd shouted "murderer" and made calls for him to resign.
Though the origin of the sentiment is obvious, the rationale to me is not. There's already paramilitary police on the streets, and have been, for months. This guy was not on radar because there was nothing to be on radar for.
Granted there have been statements that Nice was struggling for proper policing, but I fail to see what that would have helped. Police were on the scene and able to open fire within seconds or minutes anyway - what would more have achieved? It wouldn't have prevented this, and probably wouldn't have substantially reduced the loss of life.

[Olerand]

Which is probably why the French police have now revealed that the driver had been studying ISIS and the Bataclan attacks in great detail for the past few weeks.

Like, two weeks, as it's being reported by British news media.

They made a point that he'd also been looking up military footage and car crash images, which suggests to me that sheer disturbed bloodlust still trumps ideology here.

French PM was also booed today at a minute's silence in Nice. People in the crowd shouted "murderer" and made calls for him to resign.
Though the origin of the sentiment is obvious, the rationale to me is not. There's already paramilitary police on the streets, and have been, for months. This guy was not on radar because there was nothing to be on radar for.
Granted there have been statements that Nice was struggling for proper policing, but I fail to see what that would have helped. Police were on the scene and able to open fire within seconds or minutes anyway - what would more have achieved? It wouldn't have prevented this, and probably wouldn't have substantially reduced the loss of life.

He looked up the Quran daily, looked at IS propaganda, and 8 days prior to the attack started growing his beard for "religious reasons".

The man was clearly violent by disposition, as his history shows. But the Islamist character of this attack cannot be denied, as the French State's revelations have also shown.

And Valls was booed because people are getting tired. Everyone knows, despite the right's promises otherwise, that we have reached the end of the security rope here. No more can be done. But people are still pissed, because people are still dying, and this government is wildly unpopular for other reasons too. Nice is also a bastion of the right and the radical right, so the people are already hostile to a Socialist government.

[Vassenor]

Turns out Daesh had nothing to do with it after all.