Two Police Shot in Dallas

[Corrian]

That's what was confusing me. I knew they took two guys in but then it made it seem like there was one shooter.

[Imperializt Russia]

That's what was confusing me. I knew they took two guys in but then it made it seem like there was one shooter.

Yeah, I've no idea what the three in custody are actually there for, since everyone seems happy to proclaim the dead shooter killed all those who died.

[The East Marches]

Hey *puts arm around EM*
Come on over here, man. *goes around side of building, hands a lit doobie*
Listen, we oughta reflect on this subject for awhile. *takes a puff* Tempers are high here. *blows some smoke*
We should chill out and listen to some tunes tonight and be kinda reserved. Honor the innocent dead, ya know. *hands reefer back*
You don't need your buttons pushed unless they're the ones your stereo. Crank up some Jerry. Good for the lowering BP numbers now...

*warps behind you*
pshh....nuthin...personnel...kid...
*cuts with katana*
*does 360 and cartwheels away*

tl;dr this ain't the the place to do this sorta thing

"Gotta go fast"

[Xadufell]

So Facebook let's people post things such as "Fuck cops we should be killing them all #fuck12" but are now famous for censoring conservative posts, then Mr. Z(f)uckerberg scolds employees for crossing out "Black lives matter" and replacing it with "All lives matter" because they are "blocking out free speech" Hmm... Seems a tad hypocritical if you ask me.

[The East Marches]

I'm so confused. How many shooters were there? I hate how much the news gives false information.

One known shooter, killed; three additional suspects, in custody; plus a fifth man who was open carrying as part of the protest and surrendered his firearm to the police while the shooting was occurring.
He was arrested and released.

Impressed at the open carry guy's behavior and police restraint. Good work on both counts.

[Kubra]

*warps behind you*
pshh....nuthin...personnel...kid...
*cuts with katana*
*does 360 and cartwheels away*

tl;dr this ain't the the place to do this sorta thing

"Gotta go fast"

didn't i kill you in the final battle against shadow

[The East Marches]

"Gotta go fast"

didn't i kill you in the final battle against shadow

No, I was brought back from the dead by meme magic. I'm not sure what is worse, being in hell listening to Euronymous talk about how metal he is or looking like an MS paint abomination.

[Kubra]

didn't i kill you in the final battle against shadow

No, I was brought back from the dead by meme magic. I'm not sure what is worse, being in hell listening to Euronymous talk about how metal he is or looking like an MS paint abomination.

ms paint abomination
I did the "google 'your name' the hedgehog" and see what you get and my parents were cool enough to name me coldsteel
I asked em why and they only told me that it was nothing personal or anything, they just did

[Socialist Nordia]

Is that title still not fixed? That really needs to be changed.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I'm under the impression that people are hateful assholes. I don't know how he developed this hatred and it's unlikely any of us ever will. He simply stated that he wanted to kill cops, specifically white cops. He said he was upset over the recent shootings, but that's about it.

I'm curious as to what you hope to obtain by delving into this individual's mind by pseudo-psychological means. He was motivated by racism and hatred, pure and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Dylan Roof was motivated by racism and hate, as was this individual.

You've got a good point there with that comparison. One might hope they would be prosecuted similarly, all things considered. Of course there is the whole 'cop-killer' aspect that's different, but at the base? Racism and hate, as you said, and several people dead due to deliberate actions of a radicalized person.

I did some looking at some statistics earlier today that were interesting. On the page several of us were following last night, they've been updating info and such. There's an interactive graph showing police deaths back to the 1920's. We're in a relative slump, in a downward trend, if you take a look at that. I checked against other sources like the National Law Enforcement Officer's Memorial Fund site, and it seems to agree, though the numbers differ somewhat.

I also tried to look up stats on officer-caused killings, and that's where you'll start seeing some differences in how one looks at it. There were some legitimate points brought up in some discussions stating that it could be difficult to have true to life stats from agencies who more or less answered to themselves. I couldn't find quite the same sort of graph for it, to be honest. This is an interesting tool however that was mentioned in several resources I was perusing. It shows the deaths by month, and you can sort it out by a number of variables to see just who is and who isn't getting killed out there.

It could prove an intriguing look for folks, if you're interested. For example, 27 out of 95 last month were black. 20 out of 85 the month before that. 5 of 24 currently.

There's a phrase that's getting extremely worn out in the news, and they really do need to stop touting it as the 'next big issue' the way they do. "The War On $group". I can't see from the numbers that there is a 'war' on anyone. What we have is increased communications, increased awareness, and increased access to information. Not to mention, additional hype, political spin being driven by news and those who claim leadership positions in our nation. We have an increasingly agitated citizenry, due a lot to the aforementioned issues, and an increasingly jaded view of violence given how inundated by it we are becoming.

I hope more people keep their heads than don't. I really do. And I sincerely hope that those who don't are either stopped before they can do any harm, or get a heavy dose of justice sent their way if they manage to get through.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Please re-read.

I stated "If not from the white community, than from police culture". Yes, he felt animosity towards whites. Were you under the impression that this occurred in a vacuum, that he woke up one day and said, to quote Garret Morris, "I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whiteys I see"? Or are you one of those people who think that trying to understand the motivations behind a horrific action somehow equates to agreement with or tolerance of the action itself?

Yes, it's likely that he was motivated by what he saw as the dominance of white people in most aspects of society. This is porbably what led him to animosity towards white people, and allowed him to swallow the hateful bullshit rhetoric spewed by the New Black Panther Party and similar groups. This probably led to animosity towards white folks, and to this violent action. This is all speculation, of course, but it's how it's worked time and again throughout history, that people who feel dispossessed or alienated from society as a whole are vulnerable to manipulation by hate merchants who are willing to encourage their darkest resentments and fears.

I'm under the impression that people are hateful assholes. I don't know how he developed this hatred and it's unlikely any of us ever will. He simply stated that he wanted to kill cops, specifically white cops. He said he was upset over the recent shootings, but that's about it.

I'm curious as to what you hope to obtain by delving into this individual's mind by pseudo-psychological means. He was motivated by racism and hatred, pure and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Dylan Roof was motivated by racism and hate, as was this individual.

I'm hoping to get something more interesting, valuable, and informative than the simplistic, anti-intellectual, cynical, and lazy conclusion of "People are hateful assholes". Sorry, that's not a lazy conclusion. It's a lazy premise, and has no value, since while observation would certainly indicate that people can be hateful assholes, they can also be motivated saints, lazy nice people, committed assholes, thoughtful, thoughtless, compassionate, cold, mean, pleasant, selfish, and generous. People are complicated and often interesting, and while I choose not to deal with too many of them in my day to day life, I have noticed that when folks make blanket statements like "People are hateful assholes", they're often doing little more than coming up with an excuse to be hateful assholes without having to apologize for it. If that is what you're doing, then that's fine, but don't pull the rest of us into your nightmare.

Also, don't dismiss my observations based upon years of experience as "pseudo-psychological" until you have something more to offer than the random guy at the bar bitching about his life.

[New Jerzylvania]

I know EM better than you.

lol I bet, since I don't know him
still tho roleplayish posts are rly out of place in nsg

It was an exit strategy, my dear Watson. lol.

"Gotta go fast"

didn't i kill you in the final battle against shadow

heh.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Has Alicia Garza herself actually endorsed violence against the police, except in possible self-defense? Show me the link. Show me the quote. You can look up to someone and admire their model without necessarily agreeing with every aspect of their approach. If you have evidence that she's promoted violence, then show it. If not, then get your bullshit insinuations the fuck out of here, and try to find someone who lacks the intelligence that god gave a goose to peddle them to instead.

You are going to talk to me like that, piss off, I posted the link earlier. Can you have a fucking conversation like an adult is or everything you are going to post angry bullshit.

Yummy, I am done with you. I would say good day, but I wouldn't mean it.

I read your links. Nowhere in them did she advocate violence.

I can admire the works of Charles Bukowski without advocating domestic abuse, despite the fact that he's on camera kicking his wife in one documentary. I can admire the organizing done by Emma Goldman and her activism for the working poor and immigrants without subscribing to her more radical beliefs regarding anarchism. I can admire the work done by early labor unions while lamenting the corruption that they eventually succumbed to. I can find Machiavelli's The Prince to be an insightful work on the nature and use of power without actually subscribing to using power in that manner. I can find Gandhi to be an inspirational figure without following his beliefs regarding race and sex.

Therefore, it's not enough for you to say "These are the people she admires". Well, of course they are. She's a radical activist representing a couple of different marginalized groups at the same time. Of course she's going to look for recent radical activists who made some noise. But that doesn't mean that she's going to subscribe to every belief of theirs down to the letter.

I'm not angry with you, and I do apologize if I came across that way. I'm simply frustrated because you're smarter than this, and better than this. You know that it's possible to draw inspiration, theory, and focus from personal heroes without necessarily following them in slavish detail. Also, when you post a link purporting to describe a person's belief system, I don't insist that said link be to a site advocating for those beliefs, but it's a bit unfair to spring a site attempting to argue against those beliefs on me without stating that that is the point of the link.

[New Jerzylvania]

I'm under the impression that people are hateful assholes. I don't know how he developed this hatred and it's unlikely any of us ever will. He simply stated that he wanted to kill cops, specifically white cops. He said he was upset over the recent shootings, but that's about it.

I'm curious as to what you hope to obtain by delving into this individual's mind by pseudo-psychological means. He was motivated by racism and hatred, pure and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Dylan Roof was motivated by racism and hate, as was this individual.

You've got a good point there with that comparison. One might hope they would be prosecuted similarly, all things considered. Of course there is the whole 'cop-killer' aspect that's different, but at the base? Racism and hate, as you said, and several people dead due to deliberate actions of a radicalized person.

I did some looking at some statistics earlier today that were interesting. On the page several of us were following last night, they've been updating info and such. There's an interactive graph showing police deaths back to the 1920's. We're in a relative slump, in a downward trend, if you take a look at that. I checked against other sources like the National Law Enforcement Officer's Memorial Fund site, and it seems to agree, though the numbers differ somewhat.

I also tried to look up stats on officer-caused killings, and that's where you'll start seeing some differences in how one looks at it. There were some legitimate points brought up in some discussions stating that it could be difficult to have true to life stats from agencies who more or less answered to themselves. I couldn't find quite the same sort of graph for it, to be honest. This is an interesting tool however that was mentioned in several resources I was perusing. It shows the deaths by month, and you can sort it out by a number of variables to see just who is and who isn't getting killed out there.

It could prove an intriguing look for folks, if you're interested. For example, 27 out of 95 last month were black. 20 out of 85 the month before that. 5 of 24 currently.

There's a phrase that's getting extremely worn out in the news, and they really do need to stop touting it as the 'next big issue' the way they do. "The War On $group". I can't see from the numbers that there is a 'war' on anyone. What we have is increased communications, increased awareness, and increased access to information. Not to mention, additional hype, political spin being driven by news and those who claim leadership positions in our nation. We have an increasingly agitated citizenry, due a lot to the aforementioned issues, and an increasingly jaded view of violence given how inundated by it we are becoming.

I hope more people keep their heads than don't. I really do. And I sincerely hope that those who don't are either stopped before they can do any harm, or get a heavy dose of justice sent their way if they manage to get through.

Unfortunately, it only takes one individual, as this scenario which unfolded last night seems to indicate, to paralyze a major city and traumatize the leading nation in the world. It's just too much firepower for one guy to have for target practice. He was literally a one man army for a while. Nobody needs an AR-15 or an AK-47 unless everyone has them. Sorry, but enough is enough. The projectiles that were fired from these kinds of weapons penetrate police armor, which has a lot to do with why there are law enforcement officers dead in Dallas.

As for racist cops that look for the cheapest excuse to extinguish a black man's life, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. There also should be very serious attempts to identify these individuals and relieve them of their duty as police officers permanently. If you just say the word "bomb" in an airport you are at minimum booted out of the airport. I think that police officers who used racist terminology in conversations with their fellow officers should face the same treatment. Zero-tolerance. Enough again is enough. You can't be a racist and a law enforcement officer at the same time. Period.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Unfortunately, it only takes one individual, as this scenario which unfolded last night seems to indicate, to paralyze a major city and traumatize the leading nation in the world. It's just too much firepower for one guy to have for target practice. He was literally a one man army for a while. Nobody needs an AR-15 or an AK-47 unless everyone has them. Sorry, but enough is enough. The projectiles that were fired from these kinds of weapons penetrate police armor, which has a lot to do with why there are law enforcement officers dead in Dallas.

He had a shotgun in the footage I saw.

[Minzerland]

I'm down for a race war, let the best race win, which is my race; CRAB PEOPLE.

Nobody expects the crab people, soon we will rise and crush the upstarts.

Crab people?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nobody expects the crab people, soon we will rise and crush the upstarts.

Crab people?

Yes, join us.

[New Jerzylvania]

Unfortunately, it only takes one individual, as this scenario which unfolded last night seems to indicate, to paralyze a major city and traumatize the leading nation in the world. It's just too much firepower for one guy to have for target practice. He was literally a one man army for a while. Nobody needs an AR-15 or an AK-47 unless everyone has them. Sorry, but enough is enough. The projectiles that were fired from these kinds of weapons penetrate police armor, which has a lot to do with why there are law enforcement officers dead in Dallas.

He had a shotgun in the footage I saw.

Even if it was an SKS as now reported, I stand by my opinion. I wonder if Charles Whitman had one of those in his cache of arms (50 years ago on August 1st) in Austin up in the tower.

[Ethel mermania]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Liberation_Army

Headed by joanne chesmerand.

Hey *puts arm around EM*
Come on over here, man. *goes around side of building, hands a lit doobie*
Listen, we oughta reflect on this subject for awhile. *takes a puff* Tempers are high here. *blows some smoke*
We should chill out and listen to some tunes tonight and be kinda reserved. Honor the innocent dead, ya know. *hands reefer back*
You don't need your buttons pushed unless they're the ones your stereo. Crank up some Jerry. Good for the lowering BP numbers now...

Maybe a ltitle Willie Nelson as well, thanks. I am fine.

[Minzerland]

Crab people?

Yes, join us.

No thanks, I'm a reptilian...

[Washington Resistance Army]

He had a shotgun in the footage I saw.

Even if it was an SKS as now reported, I stand by my opinion. I wonder if Charles Whitman had one of those in his cache of arms (50 years ago on August 1st) in Austin up in the tower.

I'm pretty confident in saying it was a shotgun, either a Vepr or a Saiga from the looks of it and it's muzzle blast.

It's also worth pointing out that the standard IIA vests can't even stop high velocity 9mm or other larger handgun rounds. Trying to say people don't need X gun because it can penetrate those is just kinda dumb.

Yes, join us.

No thanks, I'm a reptilian...

booooooooo

[Minzerland]

No thanks, I'm a reptilian...

booooooooo

What is a people without opposition?

[Saiwania]

Even if it was an SKS as now reported, I stand by my opinion. I wonder if Charles Whitman had one of those in his cache of arms (50 years ago on August 1st) in Austin up in the tower.

The weapon that Charles Whitman had which was most comparable was an M1 carbine which accepts a 15 or 30 round magazine. It fires a larger round than the AR-15, so asides from the AR-15 having a greater muzzle velocity and thus a farther effective firing range, it is not that much more deadly in comparison. Any hunting round of sufficient power can penetrate certain classes of body armor.

A better way to restrict access to so called "assault weapons" would not be to go after cosmetic features which merely make it look like a military weapon, but rather to limit the magazine sizes or to make only slower reloading mechanisms to be available to civilian firearms such as bolt or lever action for example.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Unfortunately, it only takes one individual, as this scenario which unfolded last night seems to indicate, to paralyze a major city and traumatize the leading nation in the world. It's just too much firepower for one guy to have for target practice. He was literally a one man army for a while. Nobody needs an AR-15 or an AK-47 unless everyone has them. Sorry, but enough is enough. The projectiles that were fired from these kinds of weapons penetrate police armor, which has a lot to do with why there are law enforcement officers dead in Dallas.

As for racist cops that look for the cheapest excuse to extinguish a black man's life, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. There also should be very serious attempts to identify these individuals and relieve them of their duty as police officers permanently. If you just say the word "bomb" in an airport you are at minimum booted out of the airport. I think that police officers who used racist terminology in conversations with their fellow officers should face the same treatment. Zero-tolerance. Enough again is enough. You can't be a racist and a law enforcement officer at the same time. Period.

And then what - ban former military, or weekend warriors from living amongst common folk because one guy lost his shit? Or maybe you can figure out a way to just take away the potentially bad guy's stuff out of panic.

We have the tools. We are not utilizing them properly or to their best ability. Nor are we doing a good job at keeping illegal weapons out of the hands of criminals, or those looking to get unlicensed, non-traceable weapons. There are always reasons one can come up with as to why one ought to have the legal right to this, that, or the other. And for most people, it works out just fine, with no problems ever with anyone, and no desire to cause any. So what's left?

Weed out or prevent those who present a potential danger. Frankly, I don't care about 'mah privacy' and such things when it comes to overall public safety. If there is a flag on the system, be it for a mental issue (dealing with depression, on medication, recent stressful circumstance, diagnosed with a disorder that can present an instability), or having been say, investigated by the FBI a time or two, or has been recently convicted of something that raises questions, or has made threats, or fagged on social media as encouraging illegal activities such as killing cops, or shooting up this group or that? The flags don't have to be permanent in all cases. Give folks a chance to clear their names - with ample time between flagging, and removing a flag, and clear, concise instructions laid out publicly for folks to follow. Multiple flags=longer block on ability to purchase. No, not perfect, but no system ever will be when you're dealing with people.

Anyways. Folks need to settle down and stop killing one another, end of. Wouldn't matter who had what then, because no one would be using them for that shit.

You notice there were a couple of civilians shot as well in all of this? I brought one up last night in the midst of things, but it hasn't seen a lot of coverage, apparently. There's always fallout. We need to neutralize (and by neutralize I mean just that, not calling for more death, just stopping) the radicals. We need to remove bad cops from the forces, and ensure that the ones on the street can handle the pressure without resorting to violence as a first action, nor color to judge a suspect by. We need to do similar on our own various sides, and not judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few. And ffs, stop spreading more hate, more fear, more panic.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Even if it was an SKS as now reported, I stand by my opinion. I wonder if Charles Whitman had one of those in his cache of arms (50 years ago on August 1st) in Austin up in the tower.

The weapon that Charles Whitman had which was most comparable was an M1 carbine which accepts a 15 or 30 round magazine. It fires a larger round than the AR-15, so asides from the AR-15 having a greater muzzle velocity and thus a farther effective firing range, it is not that much more deadly in comparison. Any hunting round of sufficient power can penetrate certain classes of body armor.

A better way to restrict access to so called "assault weapons" would not be to go after cosmetic features which merely make it look like a military weapon, but rather to limit the magazine sizes or to make only slower reloading mechanisms to be available to civilian firearms such as bolt or lever action for example.

Wait, use sense and not sensationalism to make decisions? Why, what a suggestion! That isn't the American Way these days! We listen to the News, bah gawd. They would never lead us astray!



Yeeeaaaaaah. I has a sarcasm. Go me.
Good points there on your part though, seriously. It would be a nice change.