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Should the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU

Remain a member of the EU (UK citizen)
279
18%
Leave the EU (UK citizen)
207
13%
Remain a member of the EU (citizen of other EU member)
146
9%
Leave the EU (citizen of other EU member)
99
6%
Remain a member of the EU (non-EU citizen)
432
27%
Leave the EU (non-EU citizen)
414
26%
 
Total votes : 1577

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Freefall11111
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:59 pm

BoE statement: "The Bank of England is monitoring developments closely. It has undertaken extensive contingency planning and is working closely with HM Treasury, other domestic authorities and overseas central banks. The Bank of England will take all necessary steps to meet its responsibilities for monetary and financial stability."

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Ganos Lao
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

Dushan wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Does DNN have the statement issued by Chancellor Merkel? As well, what is the generally feeling in Germany?


Not yet but we're watching closely the unfolding Situation. We'd expect though Statements in similar fashion and tone.

Certainly a the Leave Vote in the UK will be very bad News for the political Establishment in Berlin, the only Faction to rejoice would likely be the AfD. It's a devastating blow for Merkels policy, though the one or other might rejoice secretly that from now on the UK will no longer be able to stall various Projects as they did in the past.

The unpredictable consequences of the leave however, will likely overshadow those sentiments by large. And if theres anything Merkel, the Government and the Germans are afraid of then it is instability.


The BBC's already reporting that German political figures consider it to be "Damn! A sad day for Europe!" and "the world's oldest democracy is turning its back on us."
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Yeldarid
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Postby Yeldarid » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

West Sylvania wrote:
Waldriech wrote:Brussels Fucks the UK, more laws are made by the EU other tan Parliament.



I know it means less regulation. I suppose my question would be exactly what sort of regulatory authority did the EU have over the UK? How far did it go, and did the EU have any non-economic authority?


EU laws and regulations had to be actually implemented in the parliaments of each of its member states. It does have non-economic authority, but that's mainly because it makes sense for many things to have the same rules over a wide area so companies just have one set of regulations to follow rather then 28 different ones over many different areas i.e. electronics.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

Yorkers wrote:
Liriena wrote:Your self-proclaimed "esteemed advisor" explicitly said:
Currently every non-White country has the right to maintain their own historical majority ethnicities be it majority-black or majority-Asian. It's only white countries that are told they cannot do the same.


Have you forgotten the obscene amount of Stormfront copy-pasta threads we've seen employ that same argument over and over through the years?

This is the meme I referred to:
ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY! Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.


Now please, do go ahead and pretend that your SJW-bashing buddy did not just employ the same argument. I bloody dare you.


I don't see what's so bad about any of this. Your anger is confusing. You "bloody" dare him? What? Are you going to "bloody" dare him to make his point, too?

I am angry because I never expected Ostro, of all posters, to come out in defense of the same sort of rhetoric we used to unanimously denounce in the past. I am angry and disappointed.

Also, if you see nothing wrong with that meme, I have nothing to say to you.
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

Tekeristan wrote:Regulation isn't all that bad...

Regardless!

How is the British economy looking right now?

FTSE 100 futures dropped 8%, UK is likely to loose its triple A credit rating, pound is at its lowest since before I was born at 1.36 dollars... so overall doing fine isn't the right word?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

UED wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Since I am an American, I'm not really familiar with the whole Brexit thing. What exactly are the consequences for Britain leaving the EU?


The investors will lose trust in the British market. This is unquestionable. The UK market for some time will seem dangerous for potential investors. Other stuff includes the shockingly devastating drop of the British Pound's value, which has reached its lowest since 1985.


Indeed. In fact, it appears as if S&P will be downgrading their credit rating to "AA" from "AAA".

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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

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Postby Yorkers » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Yorkers wrote:
Do you believe that to combat ethnic nationalism in Japan, Signapore, and the PRC, they should have limitless immigration from Korea, Central Asia, Africa, Latin America, and the Philippines, to the point where ethnic Japanese and Chinese are reduced to a minority in those countries?


Emphatic Yes for Japan, tentative no for Singapore, maybe for the PRC.


Thanks, that's all I needed to know.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Don't care. The rich and their savings can burn. The poor will do as we've always done and survive.


Survive with less, obviously.

This will only drive the rich to become richer and the poor to become poorer.

Kind of what happens when you have things like these going on.
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Postby Parhe » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Parhe wrote:Believer it or not, most Koreans don't want to move to Japan, Singapore, or the PRC.


Not a valid response.

I don't care for the subject. I disagree with his inclusion of Koreans. Remind me what this has to do with you.
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Postby Waldriech » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:If Ed Miliband became PM, this referendum never would have happened. Think about that.


Jo Cox would still be alive, too, probably.

Come on, Cox was killed by a psychotic Far-Rightist. He would of killed any other politician.
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:00 pm

Liriena wrote:
Yorkers wrote:
I don't see what's so bad about any of this. Your anger is confusing. You "bloody" dare him? What? Are you going to "bloody" dare him to make his point, too?

I am angry because I never expected Ostro, of all posters, to come out in defense of the same sort of rhetoric we used to unanimously denounce in the past. I am angry and disappointed.

Also, if you see nothing wrong with that meme, I have nothing to say to you.


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Postby UED » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:01 pm

Yorkers wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Emphatic Yes for Japan, tentative no for Singapore, maybe for the PRC.


Thanks, that's all I needed to know.


Honestly China is doing the exact opposite. They're reducing the majorities their ethic minorities hold in the outer regions of the PRC through mass immigration.
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Postby Yorkers » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:01 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Yorkers wrote:
Do you think the same should happen to North America and Europe?

No.


Hey! We're on the same side then!
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:01 pm


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Postby Laissez-Faire Economics » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:01 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Well, they clearly haven't paid attention to their history lessons, because Britain has always been multicultural. And in the modern era, it has always had pretty supportive of immigration. Kind of happens when you have a global empire.


That's a consequence of the hysterical members of the left deciding that all cultures are equal and to say otherwise is racist.
If they hadn't gone ballistic every time someone said "Islam is different, we're fine with hindus and sikhs, but not muslims" the people wouldn't have been forced into a "Okay fine, no immigrants at all" stance.

Nobody forced anyone to do anything. Anti-immigrant radicals chose that path all on their own.

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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:02 pm

Yeldarid wrote:
Thietsch wrote:Remainers on suicide watch :^)


For me? Yes. Unemployed for over a year, and the areas I am most likely to go into are also those most likely to be impacted by Brexit, meaning I will have no job and no money, dependent on my family for support and no money for training for jobs. What future do I have? I am not being sarcastic.

Move to Scotland in anticipation of their independence, and hope to qualify for the residency requirement that way?
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:02 pm

Yorkers wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Emphatic Yes for Japan, tentative no for Singapore, maybe for the PRC.


Thanks, that's all I needed to know.


What, did I derail your shitty point so you've decided to slink away instead of conceding?
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:02 pm

Waldriech wrote:
Atlanticatia wrote:If Ed Miliband became PM, this referendum never would have happened. Think about that.


Jo Cox would still be alive, too, probably.

Come on, Cox was killed by a psychotic Far-Rightist. He would of killed any other politician.


And I think the EU referendum, to extent, stirred up hatred and brought certain extreme views closer to the mainstream, while also making some people stand out more for being pro-European/pro-Migrant since there was actually a debate between being pro-EU/migrant and anti-EU/migrant.
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Postby Yorkers » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:02 pm

UED wrote:
Yorkers wrote:
Thanks, that's all I needed to know.


Honestly China is doing the exact opposite. They're reducing the majorities their ethic minorities hold in the outer regions of the PRC through mass immigration.


It's an internal colonization, yes. The Soviet Union did similar things.
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"Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs."
-John Jay, 1787

Dancing in the moonlight.
I wish that every kiss was never-ending.


An alternate history epic.

sa-wish!

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:02 pm

Liriena wrote:
Yorkers wrote:
I don't see what's so bad about any of this. Your anger is confusing. You "bloody" dare him? What? Are you going to "bloody" dare him to make his point, too?

I am angry because I never expected Ostro, of all posters, to come out in defense of the same sort of rhetoric we used to unanimously denounce in the past. I am angry and disappointed.

Also, if you see nothing wrong with that meme, I have nothing to say to you.


When you realize that much of the equality movement is actually fucking over the white working class and their social mobility, you stop being quite so critical of the far right.
Ethnic minorities demand solidarity and offer none. So they don't get it from me anymore.

We saw this with Clinton and the black vote turning out in droves to gun for identity politics rather than class politics that benefits everybody. It's part of a consistent pattern across western nations, and also true in the UK with the Labour party.
Okay, fine. Identity politics it is. Round two, as it were.
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Postby Immoren » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:02 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Liriena wrote:You do realize that you are agreeing with a white supremacist poster who most likely means they want international laws to make the UK "more white"?


Don't forget that what I want would make Asian countries for example, more Asian, or Black countries more Black. Great Britain being majority Briton is how it ought to be.


So what are you going to do about all those anglo-saxons?
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Postby UED » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:03 pm

Yorkers wrote:
UED wrote:
Honestly China is doing the exact opposite. They're reducing the majorities their ethic minorities hold in the outer regions of the PRC through mass immigration.


It's an internal colonization, yes. The Soviet Union did similar things.


Should the PRC collapse somehow (possible) the ethic violence that could erupt... :(

Also do you guys think the Pound will continue to destabilize?
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:03 pm

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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:03 pm

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