Discussion: Your Gods are not what you think they are

[Stormopolis]

You seriously underestimate humans, confirmation bias aside.

So in the case of Easter Island, the natives just LIKED to make it difficult for themselves, more difficult than it needed to be?

[Hannibal Lector Society]

very interesting

[Ethel mermania]

So is the premise here "indigenous tribes did things I do not think they should be able to ergo aliens must have done it for them"?

It's not inconcievable that the people of, say, Easter Island did craft the statues on their own, but why would they make it so hard for themselves by selecting places to put the statues and the materials from quarries at the opposite end of the island while there was perfectly good stone nearby. So no, that is not the premise. And I would appreciate it if you kept your posts in this thread at that level.

They had enough free time and free labor to do so.

[Khadgar]

You seriously underestimate humans, confirmation bias aside.

So in the case of Easter Island, the natives just LIKED to make it difficult for themselves, more difficult than it needed to be?

We know what happened on Easter Island. We know how the Moai were made, how they were moved, how the civilization collapsed.

[Ethel mermania]

You seriously underestimate humans, confirmation bias aside.

So in the case of Easter Island, the natives just LIKED to make it difficult for themselves, more difficult than it needed to be?

Religious ritual is funny that way.

[Ifreann]

I knew a Guy who seriously made a case about the abrahamitic God (Jaweh) actually being an Alien lifeform having visited Earth for his own nefarious purposes.

Unfortunatly for him, he got me a few Years too late for me to dig deeper his cool Story.

Aside from that I am not uninterested into that Topic but as a hard matter of fact:

If there had been, at any given time in the past, be a Civilization with advanced technology on Earth we would likely know much if not everything about them. We would have found their ruins, the remains of their Civilization. Any industrial and advanced Civilization leaves traces back.

And all we have found is that block in the Japanese Sea.

I want to believe though.

You say that, but I disagree with you here. How much of our history do we know? We know about 4000 years of "modern" history. Everything before the Sumerians' appearance is unknown. At that point we were nothing more than savages, but somehow, suddenly we live in cities and have great knowledge of engineering, metallurgy, and astronomy, to name a few? There is so much we don't know, and honestly, I find that the "helping hand" theory is far more logical than "LET THERE BE LIGHT!" and behold there was light.

Why would anyone think either of those things instead of the obvious explanation: that people weren't fucking morons and experimented with buildings and metals and looking upwards at night and developed this knowledge over time.

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Why would the Aztecs build airfields if the aliens didn't require airfields? Cargo cults build structures to mimic what they've seen. They don't conjure shit up whole cloth. Your hypothesis is absurd and insulting.

Again, could they understand the crafts of these visitors? Probably not. Think of it this way: you are a man living in the farthest reaches of the Amazon. You've never seen a man in clothes but your own, and you most definitely do not know what a helicopter is. Would you understand what a pilot in a jumpsuit climbing out of a helicopter landing near your village was doing?

Also, please explain why things are insulting.

"These people could not understand VTOL craft, therefore they built airfields for aliens"
So, what, they did understand aeroplanes?

[Stormopolis]

So in the case of Easter Island, the natives just LIKED to make it difficult for themselves, more difficult than it needed to be?

Religious ritual is funny that way.

Funny that you mention religion.

In this view, a lot of the old religious things can be explained that way. For instance, why Satan, who used to be an angel, is called Lucifer, or lightbringer.

In this interpretation of Christianity, here's what happens:
God creates the earth and man in his image (Genesis) -> the captain of a space-faring vessel sets up a program to spread his kind's own seed amongst Man. A schism occurs between god and his second in command, (Satan). Satan wants to teach the humans more which God does not approve of. This is why he is called the lightbringer, but there also other religions who show that there were gods who brought knowledge to man (Prometheus, anyone? ) In addition to that, amongst his kind there are people who do not have sex with the approved people whose spawn become abberations (the Nephilim) , so they have to be destroyed. (Sodom) An approved bloodline is spared (Lot's family).

[Stormopolis]

You say that, but I disagree with you here. How much of our history do we know? We know about 4000 years of "modern" history. Everything before the Sumerians' appearance is unknown. At that point we were nothing more than savages, but somehow, suddenly we live in cities and have great knowledge of engineering, metallurgy, and astronomy, to name a few? There is so much we don't know, and honestly, I find that the "helping hand" theory is far more logical than "LET THERE BE LIGHT!" and behold there was light.

Why would anyone think either of those things instead of the obvious explanation: that people weren't fucking morons and experimented with buildings and metals and looking upwards at night and developed this knowledge over time.

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Again, could they understand the crafts of these visitors? Probably not. Think of it this way: you are a man living in the farthest reaches of the Amazon. You've never seen a man in clothes but your own, and you most definitely do not know what a helicopter is. Would you understand what a pilot in a jumpsuit climbing out of a helicopter landing near your village was doing?

Also, please explain why things are insulting.

"These people could not understand VTOL craft, therefore they built airfields for aliens"
So, what, they did understand aeroplanes?

Then explain to me how someone like Jonathan Swift knew that Phobos and Deimos exist, naming their locations precisely, predicting one is artificial (as in not a native moon but pieces of Jupiter that crashed into Mars, if I recall correctly) and thus hollow, a full 150 years before the technology existed to see that. Did he also just happen to look into the sky one day and get an epiphany

I stand by it. All of this makes more sense than god flicking a switch.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Religious ritual is funny that way.

Funny that you mention religion.

In this view, a lot of the old religious things can be explained that way. For instance, why Satan, who used to be an angel, is called Lucifer, or lightbringer.

In this interpretation of Christianity, here's what happens:
God creates the earth and man in his image (Genesis) -> the captain of a space-faring vessel sets up a program to spread his kind's own seed amongst Man. A schism occurs between god and his second in command, (Satan). Satan wants to teach the humans more which God does not approve of. This is why he is called the lightbringer, but there also other religions who show that there were gods who brought knowledge to man (Prometheus, anyone? ) In addition to that, amongst his kind there are people who do not have sex with the approved people whose spawn become abberations (the Nephilim) , so they have to be destroyed. (Sodom) An approved bloodline is spared (Lot's family).

You are wrong though, Lightbringer is actually a sword, and the hero of Man, the prince that was promised Azor Ahai, thrust it into his Beloved wife's heart to ignite it in holy fire and save the world from the Darkness.

[Ethel mermania]

Funny that you mention religion.

In this view, a lot of the old religious things can be explained that way. For instance, why Satan, who used to be an angel, is called Lucifer, or lightbringer.

In this interpretation of Christianity, here's what happens:
God creates the earth and man in his image (Genesis) -> the captain of a space-faring vessel sets up a program to spread his kind's own seed amongst Man. A schism occurs between god and his second in command, (Satan). Satan wants to teach the humans more which God does not approve of. This is why he is called the lightbringer, but there also other religions who show that there were gods who brought knowledge to man (Prometheus, anyone? ) In addition to that, amongst his kind there are people who do not have sex with the approved people whose spawn become abberations (the Nephilim) , so they have to be destroyed. (Sodom) An approved bloodline is spared (Lot's family).

You are wrong though, Lightbringer is actually a sword, and the hero of Man, the prince that was promised Azor Ahai, thrust it into his Beloved wife's hear to ignite it in holy fire and save the world from the Darkness.

It is known.

[Stormopolis]

And reported again. Thanks for your input, such as it was, and you are now ignored.

[The Huskar Social Union]

And reported again. Thanks for your input, such as it was, and you are now ignored.

Okay mate.

Already said i dont buy this theory of yours in my first post, and you have done nothing so far to convince me of it.

[Ifreann]

Why would anyone think either of those things instead of the obvious explanation: that people weren't fucking morons and experimented with buildings and metals and looking upwards at night and developed this knowledge over time.

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"These people could not understand VTOL craft, therefore they built airfields for aliens"
So, what, they did understand aeroplanes?

Then explain to me how someone like Jonathan Swift knew that Phobos and Deimos exist, naming their locations precisely, predicting one is artificial (as in not a native moon but pieces of Jupiter that crashed into Mars, if I recall correctly) and thus hollow, a full 150 years before the technology existed to see that. Did he also just happen to look into the sky one day and get an epiphany

The moons Swift described in Gulliver's Travels are not in the exact locations of Phobos and Deimos. The origin of Phobos and Deimos is controversial. Jupiter is a gas giant, how could a rock orbiting Mars be a piece of Jupiter? And it was commonly argued at the time that Mars would have moons, because Mercury and Venus don't have any, Earth has one, and Jupiter was known to have four, and that they small, closely orbiting moons because they hadn't been discovered.

But no, intelligent people couldn't speculate based on the best understanding of the time and happen to be not very wrong. Obviously Swift was in communication with the Asgard.

[Alvecia]

Paging Doctor Jackson.

[Ifreann]

And reported again. Thanks for your input, such as it was, and you are now ignored.

If Jonathan Swift's work of satirical fiction is actually based on knowledge given to humanity by ancient aliens, according to you, then why exactly can't George RR Martin's work of tits and fiction be based on knowledge given to humanity by ancient aliens?

[Alvecia]

Seriously though, the Ancient Astronauts theory/s is just a game of "Who's the best at confirming bias"

[Lady Scylla]

Religious ritual is funny that way.

Funny that you mention religion.

In this view, a lot of the old religious things can be explained that way. For instance, why Satan, who used to be an angel, is called Lucifer, or lightbringer.

In this interpretation of Christianity, here's what happens:
God creates the earth and man in his image (Genesis) -> the captain of a space-faring vessel sets up a program to spread his kind's own seed amongst Man. A schism occurs between god and his second in command, (Satan). Satan wants to teach the humans more which God does not approve of. This is why he is called the lightbringer, but there also other religions who show that there were gods who brought knowledge to man (Prometheus, anyone? ) In addition to that, amongst his kind there are people who do not have sex with the approved people whose spawn become abberations (the Nephilim) , so they have to be destroyed. (Sodom) An approved bloodline is spared (Lot's family).

He wasn't the only one called Lucifer. Jesus was as well, among other people. The name is associated with Venus, the first object you see (and the brightest) before the sunrise. The Three-Kings is tied to Orion's Belt -- it's a carry-over of astrological myths from cultures that studied star-patterns (who had plenty of time to do so) and incorporated them into their respective beliefs. It's really not that difficult to understand.

[Lady Scylla]

And reported again. Thanks for your input, such as it was, and you are now ignored.

If Jonathan Swift's work of satirical fiction is actually based on knowledge given to humanity by ancient aliens, according to you, then why exactly can't George RR Martin's work of tits and fiction be based on knowledge given to humanity by ancient aliens?

And who, are you? the proud lord said...

[Stormopolis]

Then explain to me how someone like Jonathan Swift knew that Phobos and Deimos exist, naming their locations precisely, predicting one is artificial (as in not a native moon but pieces of Jupiter that crashed into Mars, if I recall correctly) and thus hollow, a full 150 years before the technology existed to see that. Did he also just happen to look into the sky one day and get an epiphany

The moons Swift described in Gulliver's Travels are not in the exact locations of Phobos and Deimos. The origin of Phobos and Deimos is controversial. Jupiter is a gas giant, how could a rock orbiting Mars be a piece of Jupiter? And it was commonly argued at the time that Mars would have moons, because Mercury and Venus don't have any, Earth has one, and Jupiter was known to have four, and that they small, closely orbiting moons because they hadn't been discovered.

But no, intelligent people couldn't speculate based on the best understanding of the time and happen to be not very wrong. Obviously Swift was in communication with the Asgard.

Hang on let me find the quote then.

From Chapter 3 of Part 3 of Gulliver's Travels:

They (the Laputan astronomers) have likewise discovered two lesser stars, or satellites, which resolve about Mars, whereof the innermost is distant from the centre of the primary planet exactly three of hte diameters, and the outermost five; the former revovles in the space of ten hours, and the altter in twenty one an half; so that the squares of their periodical times are very near in the same proportion with the cubes of their distance from the centre of Mars, which evidently shows them o ge governed by the same law of gravitaion, that influences the other heavenly bodies.

Von Däniken adds:

How could Swift describe the Martian satellites when they were not discovered until 150 years later? Undoubtedly the Martian satellites were suspected by some astronomers before Swift, but suspicions are not nearly enough for such data.

As for Jupiter, I'm not sure where I got that from. Including that was a bad on my part.

[Neutraligon]

We actually have a thread on this and not one posted this meme yet. NSG I is disappoint.


Anyway there is no evidence that aliens have visited this planet.

[The Huskar Social Union]

We actually have a thread on this and not one posted this meme yet. NSG I is disappoint.
(Image)

*Giorgio Tsoukalos intensifies*

There's no evidence advanced alien life has ever visited Earth or even exists at all.

Yeah, this kind of theory does not do it for me.

[Neutraligon]

We actually have a thread on this and not one posted this meme yet. NSG I is disappoint.
(Image)

Yeah, this kind of theory does not do it for me.

Man I missed it.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Man I missed it.

Shame.

[Alvecia]

Man I missed it.

Shame.

There's always next time.

[Ifreann]

The moons Swift described in Gulliver's Travels are not in the exact locations of Phobos and Deimos. The origin of Phobos and Deimos is controversial. Jupiter is a gas giant, how could a rock orbiting Mars be a piece of Jupiter? And it was commonly argued at the time that Mars would have moons, because Mercury and Venus don't have any, Earth has one, and Jupiter was known to have four, and that they small, closely orbiting moons because they hadn't been discovered.

But no, intelligent people couldn't speculate based on the best understanding of the time and happen to be not very wrong. Obviously Swift was in communication with the Asgard.

Hang on let me find the quote then.

From Chapter 3 of Part 3 of Gulliver's Travels:

They (the Laputan astronomers) have likewise discovered two lesser stars, or satellites, which resolve about Mars, whereof the innermost is distant from the centre of the primary planet exactly three of hte diameters, and the outermost five; the former revovles in the space of ten hours, and the altter in twenty one an half; so that the squares of their periodical times are very near in the same proportion with the cubes of their distance from the centre of Mars, which evidently shows them o ge governed by the same law of gravitaion, that influences the other heavenly bodies.

Von Däniken adds:

How could Swift describe the Martian satellites when they were not discovered until 150 years later? Undoubtedly the Martian satellites were suspected by some astronomers before Swift, but suspicions are not nearly enough for such data.

As for Jupiter, I'm not sure where I got that from. Including that was a bad on my part.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_ ... peculation

Perhaps inspired by Johannes Kepler (and quoting Kepler's third law of planetary motion), Jonathan Swift's satire Gulliver's Travels (1726) refers to two moons in Part 3, Chapter 3 (the "Voyage to Laputa"), in which Laputa's astronomers are described as having discovered two satellites of Mars orbiting at distances of 3 and 5 Martian diameters with periods of 10 and 21.5 hours. The actual orbital distances of Phobos and Deimos are 1.4 and 3.5 Martian diameters, and their respective orbital periods are 7.6 and 30.3 hours.[4][5] In the 20th century, V. G. Perminov, a spacecraft designer of early Soviet Mars and Venus spacecraft, speculated Swift found and deciphered records that Martians left on Earth.[6] However, the view of most astronomers is that Swift was simply employing a common argument of the time, that as the inner planets Venus and Mercury had no satellites, Earth had one and Jupiter had four (known at the time), that Mars by analogy must have two. Furthermore, as they had not yet been discovered, it was reasoned that they must be small and close to Mars. This would lead Swift to making a roughly accurate estimate of their orbital distances and revolution periods. In addition Swift could have been helped in his calculations by his friend, the mathematician John Arbuthnot [7]

Voltaire's 1752 short story "Micromégas", about an alien visitor to Earth, also refers to two moons of Mars. Voltaire was presumably influenced by Swift.[8][9] In recognition of these 'predictions', two craters on Deimos are named Swift and Voltaire.[10][11]