Discussion: Your Gods are not what you think they are

[Stormopolis]

Since christianity has its own thread, it's time for something less traveled. I'd like to tell you here (and discuss) the idea of ancient astronauts.
A long story short: What our polytheistic religions see as gods are actually the memories of spacefarers that visited our planet in the far past and guided/influenced our ancestors towards certain paths. Now, it's not clear obviously, but there is evidence that can be conceived as being more than merely strange coincidences.

1) Cave paintings in various locations across the world (France, South Africa) but also reliefs (South America, Egypt) show people in clothes that can be nothing else than space faring gear depcited in an almost singular style.
2) Tunguska was not a meteoric impact site but a nuclear explosion, given that it still has 2x the amount of "regular" radiation and the trees were burnt in certain ways.
3)Buildings that cannot be made now exist today, and are usually made with materials that are not available anywhere near the site of where they are now. (Think of a log rolling theory to get the pyramids' stones in place, even though wood was far too scarce and valuable to waste on just using it as a road.
4) The Antikythera device reveals a bigger understanding of the solar system than was normal in 82 b.c., when it was made.
5) A pillar in India that does not rust, weather, or age, made of metals we cannot place.

The list goes on and on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_gods

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ancient_astronaut_speculation

What do you think of this?

Any and all are welcome to join the discussion, but if all you're going to do is roll your eyes and post snarky, useless comments (Yes, you Jennifer) then you will find yourself a lot less welcome.

Edit: I'm serious. All will (and have) been reported. As for saying I'm nuts, why is this more nuts than believing in any religion that says something was made by an almighty deity who apparently is as bipolar as some users here seem to be.

[Khadgar]

There's no evidence advanced alien life has ever visited Earth or even exists at all.

[MERIZoC]

*Giorgio Tsoukalos intensifies*

[Frank Zipper]

It certainly explains why so many indigenous peoples had ray guns.

[The Huskar Social Union]

*Giorgio Tsoukalos intensifies*

There's no evidence advanced alien life has ever visited Earth or even exists at all.

Yeah, this kind of theory does not do it for me.

[Vassenor]

Paging Doctor Jackson.

[Benuty]

So the tengriist mongols worshipped a ufo?

[Stormopolis]

There's no evidence advanced alien life has ever visited Earth or even exists at all.

I think that there is more evidence for them than any sort of god being as described in the Torah, Bible, or quran.

It's obvious you haven't read Chariots of the Gods.

Let's take an example of the maps that Piri Reis found.

Piri Reis was a Turkish admiral who got copies of an old map. Nothing special, you would think, but the strange thing was that the perspective was all wrong.

http://old.world-mysteries.com/pirireis_2maps.jpg

We know that South Africa is not such an elongated landmass as it is shown here. But what happens if you overlay the Piri Reis map on a globe of today, taking Cairo (like the map did) as the center?

http://old.world-mysteries.com/piri_cairo2.gif

How does the map get such a perspective? Only by looking at the world from an amazing heights that humanity did not reach until it went into space.

Same story for the Aztec "roads". Why would Aztecs make roads if they had neither carts nor horses let alone the wheel? Furthermore, those roads do not even go anywhere.

However, if you look at the roads from a higher vantage point, they become more like...lines to follow in a certain direction, like we know now on things called airfields.

[The first Galactic Republic]

That last one means the Indians had some good metallurgy. Or are primitive humans too stupid to do those things themselves?

[Dushan]

I knew a Guy who seriously made a case about the abrahamitic God (Jaweh) actually being an Alien lifeform having visited Earth for his own nefarious purposes.

Unfortunatly for him, he got me a few Years too late for me to dig deeper his cool Story.

Aside from that I am not uninterested into that Topic but as a hard matter of fact:

If there had been, at any given time in the past, be a Civilization with advanced technology on Earth we would likely know much if not everything about them. We would have found their ruins, the remains of their Civilization. Any industrial and advanced Civilization leaves traces back.

And all we have found is that block in the Japanese Sea.

I want to believe though.

[Ifreann]

I like Stargate as much as the next person, but as noted there is no evidence of any such things occurring in reality. Additionally, it's somewhat insulting to the peoples of the past to suggest that they could only have built things like the Pyramids or Stonehenge with the help of aliens.

[Khadgar]

There's no evidence advanced alien life has ever visited Earth or even exists at all.

I think that there is more evidence for them than any sort of god being as described in the Torah, Bible, or quran.

It's obvious you haven't read Chariots of the Gods.

Let's take an example of the maps that Piri Reis found.

Piri Reis was a Turkish admiral who got copies of an old map. Nothing special, you would think, but the strange thing was that the perspective was all wrong.

http://old.world-mysteries.com/pirireis_2maps.jpg

We know that South Africa is not such an elongated landmass as it is shown here. But what happens if you overlay the Piri Reis map on a globe of today, taking Cairo (like the map did) as the center?

http://old.world-mysteries.com/piri_cairo2.gif

How does the map get such a perspective? Only by looking at the world from an amazing heights that humanity did not reach until it went into space.

Same story for the Aztec "roads". Why would Aztecs make roads if they had neither carts nor horses let alone the wheel? Furthermore, those roads do not even go anywhere.

However, if you look at the roads from a higher vantage point, they become more like...lines to follow in a certain direction, like we know now on things called airfields.

Old maps are often hilariously bad perspective indicative only of poor equipment for tracking relative position.

Why would aliens need an airfield? You're telling me they have an interstellar spaceship that can travel the vast quintillions of kilometers between stars and no VTOL craft?

[Benuty]

Chariot of the Gods? is so terrible that historians, and scientists laughed the author out of any respected academic establishment.

[Dushan]

That last one means the Indians had some good metallurgy. Or are primitive humans too stupid to do those things themselves?

No not at all. Those who claim Aliens build the Pyramids or helped with Stonehenge severely underestimate the capabilities and skills of Humanity. People back then weren't stupid, they just lacked todays knowledge and technology. And yet they made amazing things.

To claim Aliens or Gods did it is, like, the most extreme and most unlikelist hypothesis.

[Stormopolis]

I knew a Guy who seriously made a case about the abrahamitic God (Jaweh) actually being an Alien lifeform having visited Earth for his own nefarious purposes.

Unfortunatly for him, he got me a few Years too late for me to dig deeper his cool Story.

Aside from that I am not uninterested into that Topic but as a hard matter of fact:

If there had been, at any given time in the past, be a Civilization with advanced technology on Earth we would likely know much if not everything about them. We would have found their ruins, the remains of their Civilization. Any industrial and advanced Civilization leaves traces back.

And all we have found is that block in the Japanese Sea.

I want to believe though.

You say that, but I disagree with you here. How much of our history do we know? We know about 4000 years of "modern" history. Everything before the Sumerians' appearance is unknown. At that point we were nothing more than savages, but somehow, suddenly we live in cities and have great knowledge of engineering, metallurgy, and astronomy, to name a few? There is so much we don't know, and honestly, I find that the "helping hand" theory is far more logical than "LET THERE BE LIGHT!" and behold there was light.

[Stormopolis]

I think that there is more evidence for them than any sort of god being as described in the Torah, Bible, or quran.

It's obvious you haven't read Chariots of the Gods.

Let's take an example of the maps that Piri Reis found.

Piri Reis was a Turkish admiral who got copies of an old map. Nothing special, you would think, but the strange thing was that the perspective was all wrong.

http://old.world-mysteries.com/pirireis_2maps.jpg

We know that South Africa is not such an elongated landmass as it is shown here. But what happens if you overlay the Piri Reis map on a globe of today, taking Cairo (like the map did) as the center?

http://old.world-mysteries.com/piri_cairo2.gif

How does the map get such a perspective? Only by looking at the world from an amazing heights that humanity did not reach until it went into space.

Same story for the Aztec "roads". Why would Aztecs make roads if they had neither carts nor horses let alone the wheel? Furthermore, those roads do not even go anywhere.

However, if you look at the roads from a higher vantage point, they become more like...lines to follow in a certain direction, like we know now on things called airfields.

Old maps are often hilariously bad perspective indicative only of poor equipment for tracking relative position.

Why would aliens need an airfield? You're telling me they have an interstellar spaceship that can travel the vast quintillions of kilometers between stars and no VTOL craft?

You say that, but do you know whether Aztecs could understand these ships? If they did not possess the wheel, do you think they could conceive VTOL? In a sense, I think a good example of our relationship to the ancient astronauts is the case of cargo cults. Have you ever read up on those? They are highly interesting examples of what kind of culture shock it can be to see people suddenly appearing.

My favorite example of the cargo cutls is the cult of "John Frum", read it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum

[Vassenor]

So is the premise here "indigenous tribes did things I do not think they should be able to ergo aliens must have done it for them"?

[Khadgar]

Old maps are often hilariously bad perspective indicative only of poor equipment for tracking relative position.

Why would aliens need an airfield? You're telling me they have an interstellar spaceship that can travel the vast quintillions of kilometers between stars and no VTOL craft?

You say that, but do you know whether Aztecs could understand these ships? If they did not possess the wheel, do you think they could conceive VTOL? In a sense, I think a good example of our relationship to the ancient astronauts is the case of cargo cults. Have you ever read up on those? They are highly interesting examples of what kind of culture shock it can be to see people suddenly appearing.

My favorite example of the cargo cutls is the cult of "John Frum", read it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum

Why would the Aztecs build airfields if the aliens didn't require airfields? Cargo cults build structures to mimic what they've seen. They don't conjure shit up whole cloth. Your hypothesis is absurd and insulting.

[Khadgar]

So is the premise here "indigenous tribes did things I do not think they should be able to ergo aliens must have done it for them"?

Those poor stupid primitives couldn't have done anything themselves. It had to be aliens.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I like Stargate as much as the next person, but as noted there is no evidence of any such things occurring in reality. Additionally, it's somewhat insulting to the peoples of the past to suggest that they could only have built things like the Pyramids or Stonehenge with the help of aliens.

Kree Jaffa!

Also ditto.

[Stormopolis]

So is the premise here "indigenous tribes did things I do not think they should be able to ergo aliens must have done it for them"?

It's not inconcievable that the people of, say, Easter Island did craft the statues on their own, but why would they make it so hard for themselves by selecting places to put the statues and the materials from quarries at the opposite end of the island while there was perfectly good stone nearby. So no, that is not the premise. And I would appreciate it if you kept your posts in this thread at that level.

[Lady Scylla]

There's no evidence advanced alien life has ever visited Earth or even exists at all.

I think that there is more evidence for them than any sort of god being as described in the Torah, Bible, or quran.

It's obvious you haven't read Chariots of the Gods.

Let's take an example of the maps that Piri Reis found.

Piri Reis was a Turkish admiral who got copies of an old map. Nothing special, you would think, but the strange thing was that the perspective was all wrong.

http://old.world-mysteries.com/pirireis_2maps.jpg

We know that South Africa is not such an elongated landmass as it is shown here. But what happens if you overlay the Piri Reis map on a globe of today, taking Cairo (like the map did) as the center?

http://old.world-mysteries.com/piri_cairo2.gif

How does the map get such a perspective? Only by looking at the world from an amazing heights that humanity did not reach until it went into space.

Same story for the Aztec "roads". Why would Aztecs make roads if they had neither carts nor horses let alone the wheel? Furthermore, those roads do not even go anywhere.

However, if you look at the roads from a higher vantage point, they become more like...lines to follow in a certain direction, like we know now on things called airfields.

You seriously underestimate humans, confirmation bias aside.

[Stormopolis]

You say that, but do you know whether Aztecs could understand these ships? If they did not possess the wheel, do you think they could conceive VTOL? In a sense, I think a good example of our relationship to the ancient astronauts is the case of cargo cults. Have you ever read up on those? They are highly interesting examples of what kind of culture shock it can be to see people suddenly appearing.

My favorite example of the cargo cutls is the cult of "John Frum", read it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum

Why would the Aztecs build airfields if the aliens didn't require airfields? Cargo cults build structures to mimic what they've seen. They don't conjure shit up whole cloth. Your hypothesis is absurd and insulting.

Again, could they understand the crafts of these visitors? Probably not. Think of it this way: you are a man living in the farthest reaches of the Amazon. You've never seen a man in clothes but your own, and you most definitely do not know what a helicopter is. Would you understand what a pilot in a jumpsuit climbing out of a helicopter landing near your village was doing?

Also, please explain why things are insulting.

[Benuty]

I think that there is more evidence for them than any sort of god being as described in the Torah, Bible, or quran.

It's obvious you haven't read Chariots of the Gods.

Let's take an example of the maps that Piri Reis found.

Piri Reis was a Turkish admiral who got copies of an old map. Nothing special, you would think, but the strange thing was that the perspective was all wrong.

http://old.world-mysteries.com/pirireis_2maps.jpg

We know that South Africa is not such an elongated landmass as it is shown here. But what happens if you overlay the Piri Reis map on a globe of today, taking Cairo (like the map did) as the center?

http://old.world-mysteries.com/piri_cairo2.gif

How does the map get such a perspective? Only by looking at the world from an amazing heights that humanity did not reach until it went into space.

Same story for the Aztec "roads". Why would Aztecs make roads if they had neither carts nor horses let alone the wheel? Furthermore, those roads do not even go anywhere.

However, if you look at the roads from a higher vantage point, they become more like...lines to follow in a certain direction, like we know now on things called airfields.

You seriously underestimate humans, confirmation bias aside.

Heavily so especially basing their findings on psuedoscience.

[Ifreann]

There's no evidence advanced alien life has ever visited Earth or even exists at all.

I think that there is more evidence for them than any sort of god being as described in the Torah, Bible, or quran.

It's obvious you haven't read Chariots of the Gods.

Let's take an example of the maps that Piri Reis found.

Piri Reis was a Turkish admiral who got copies of an old map. Nothing special, you would think, but the strange thing was that the perspective was all wrong.

http://old.world-mysteries.com/pirireis_2maps.jpg

We know that South Africa is not such an elongated landmass as it is shown here. But what happens if you overlay the Piri Reis map on a globe of today, taking Cairo (like the map did) as the center?

http://old.world-mysteries.com/piri_cairo2.gif

How does the map get such a perspective? Only by looking at the world from an amazing heights that humanity did not reach until it went into space.

You think the most likely explanation for a 16th century map being wrong is ancient aliens making a map of Earth from directly above Cairo?

Same story for the Aztec "roads". Why would Aztecs make roads if they had neither carts nor horses let alone the wheel? Furthermore, those roads do not even go anywhere.

However, if you look at the roads from a higher vantage point, they become more like...lines to follow in a certain direction, like we know now on things called airfields.

Again, you're ignoring the obvious explanation that the roads were made for pedestrians and went to and from places that may no longer exist.