Gorilla pays heavy price for human irresponsibility

[Paredonia]

What is the child guilty of? Being a child and making a mistake? Is that worth killing him over?

What is the gorilla guilty of? Acting on its nature to attack perceived threats to it? Is that worth killing it over? I think not.

[Mefpan]

Boy do we have some fun things to reveal about what animals do to each other at times...

Animals aren't any better or worse. If, hypothetically, they possessed the same capabilities as we did, I seriously doubt they'd do better.

But again, they can't help it. They act entirely on their nature and their instincts. We make a conscious decision as to whether or not to commit horrific deeds, but we choose to do bad, heinous things. We are monsters.

Do we have free will, or do we just possess some incredibly complex fucked up tangled yarn ball of conflicting instincts that we perceive as free will? You decide.

Myself, I don't see much of a point in pondering that question.

[Salus Maior]

But again, they can't help it. They act entirely on their nature and their instincts. We make a conscious decision as to whether or not to commit horrific deeds, but we choose to do bad, heinous things. We are monsters.

There is evidence that conscious decision is only an illusion, and even if it weren't, it would be our nature and instincts to make them. The deed committed was not horrific. The animal threatened a child, so we killed it to save the child.

We could say that it's human instinct to protect our young. Like any other mammal.

[United Marxist Nations]

What is the child guilty of? Being a child and making a mistake? Is that worth killing him over?

What is the gorilla guilty of? Acting on its nature to attack perceived threats to it? Is that worth killing it over? I think not.

If it thinks a child is a threat, then its instincts are shit and its nature led to it being killed for good reason.

[Imperializt Russia]

You think the gorilla goes to sleep instantly? What do you think the first thing it would turn on would be when hit by the dart? Likewise how much more of that do you believe the child could have taken?

It's both parent and zoos fault at it core.

It would take time but I do think killing the gorilla was a bit extreme.

It could take a lot of time. It might not work at all.

In this time, which may be technically infinite, the gorilla might kill the child.
It was a precaution to kill the gorilla, one which will not have been taken lightly. That no-one would have wanted to do.

[Salus Maior]

What is the child guilty of? Being a child and making a mistake? Is that worth killing him over?

What is the gorilla guilty of? Acting on its nature to attack perceived threats to it? Is that worth killing it over? I think not.

So, we've got two innocents. One 'innocent' is trying to kill a defenseless innocent.

What do you do?

[Paredonia]

The deed committed was not horrific. The animal threatened a child, so we killed it to save the child.

Why though? Why does that kid from a species of over 7 and a half billion deserve to live more than a gorilla from a heavily endangered species? And don't give me the whole "humans are higher, more intelligent beings" excuse, that's not valid and you know it.

So, we've got two innocents. One innocent is trying to kill a 'defenseless innocent'.

What do you do?

Certainly not kill the gorilla that's for sure!

[Washington Resistance Army]

The deed committed was not horrific. The animal threatened a child, so we killed it to save the child.

Why though? Why does that kid from a species of over 7 and a half billion deserve to live more than a gorilla from a heavily endangered species? And don't give me the whole "humans are higher, more intelligent beings" excuse, that's not valid and you know it.

Humans are more intelligent, higher beings.

[Giovenith]

Who wants to bet he/she is going through puberty?

Cause outside of being a complete sociopath, I can't see what else could bring someone to such an incredibly stupid and heartless conclusion.

I just genuinely don't care about humanity anymore. Every day you hear more and more grotesque things that humans do and I think, why on earth should I give a damn? Humans can go to hell for all I care, myself included. The world and all other species would be better off without us.

Yes, I'm so sure that's what you'll be thinking next time you or someone you know is in imminent danger from an animal.

[Comcaliph]

I bet the parents wished the gorilla carried on so they could publish a book about how sad they are that they were terrible parents

[Salus Maior]

The deed committed was not horrific. The animal threatened a child, so we killed it to save the child.

Why though? Why does that kid from a species of over 7 and a half billion deserve to live more than a gorilla from a heavily endangered species? And don't give me the whole "humans are higher, more intelligent beings" excuse, that's not valid and you know it.

How is that not valid?

[United Marxist Nations]

The deed committed was not horrific. The animal threatened a child, so we killed it to save the child.

Why though? Why does that kid from a species of over 7 and a half billion deserve to live more than a gorilla from a heavily endangered species? And don't give me the whole "humans are higher, more intelligent beings" excuse, that's not valid and you know it.

Because the child is human, it has more potential than that gorilla ever will.

Why does the species being endangered matter? Because it is shit at adapting to its environment, we should give it free reign to whatever? No. It lives because we permit its survival.

[Paredonia]

Yes, I'm so sure that's what you'll be thinking next time you or someone you know is in imminent danger from an animal.

I live in the UK, we don't get dangerous animals here. So absolutely no danger of that at all.

Because the child is human, it has more potential than that gorilla ever will.

Why does the species being endangered matter? Because it is shit at adapting to its environment, we should give it free reign to whatever? No. It lives because we permit its survival.

The child is a human. So what? Who cares? That doesn't matter in the slightest. It is a mammal like any other.
It matters because there are over 7 BILLION humans on the planet! If even a million died there'd still be far more than enough. Why the hell should WE be given free reign just because we perceive ourselves to be more "intelligent" and "higher" than other species?

[Nokturne]

I think the zoo needs better fences or something if a little kid can fall into a gorilla enclosure.

[Giovenith]

Yes, I'm so sure that's what you'll be thinking next time you or someone you know is in imminent danger from an animal.

I live in the UK, we don't get dangerous animals here. So absolutely no danger of that at all.

I didn't know there were no dogs in the UK.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yes, I'm so sure that's what you'll be thinking next time you or someone you know is in imminent danger from an animal.

I live in the UK, we don't get dangerous animals here. So absolutely no danger of that at all.

I also live in the UK.

There are several recent instances of dangerous animals escaping from zoos. Due to the aforementioned issues I outlined of tranquilisation not being at all reliable against stressed animals, many of them were killed by police marksmen because the risks were too great.

We are also trying to reintroduce the lynx, which could pose a personable danger.

[Salus Maior]

Certainly not kill the gorilla that's for sure!

So, you'd let a defenseless innocent die just because the other 'innocent' is a species you personally prefer?

I think I'd stop pretending you have some moral high ground. You're the same as the people you say you hate. The people who commit terrible things and atrocities. You're the same, and you offer no apology or remorse for it.

So, I'd stop complaining about how evil humanity is when you're in the same hateful train of thought as them.

[Comcaliph]

Certainly not kill the gorilla that's for sure!

So, you'd let a defenseless innocent die just because the other 'innocent' is a species you personally prefer?

I think I'd stop pretending you have some moral high ground. You're the same as the people you say you hate. The people who commit terrible things and atrocities. You're the same, and you offer no apology or remorse for it.

So, I'd stop complaining about how evil humanity is when you're in the same hateful train of thought as them.

Do you people not have tranquilisers..

[Salus Maior]

Why the hell should WE be given free reign just because we perceive ourselves to be more "intelligent" and "higher" than other species?

It's not that we "perceive" ourselves to be higher beings, we are higher beings.

The fact that you're even using a computer is some small evidence to that.

[Paredonia]

I live in the UK, we don't get dangerous animals here. So absolutely no danger of that at all.

I didn't know there were no dogs in the UK.

Are you actually trying to say that dogs are dangerous? Ha! That's a laugh. No, the OWNERS are the dangerous ones. They mistreat and abuse animals and train them to be weapons. The dogs are innocent victims, it's the revolting human owners that are to blame and are the truly dangerous ones.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So, you'd let a defenseless innocent die just because the other 'innocent' is a species you personally prefer?

I think I'd stop pretending you have some moral high ground. You're the same as the people you say you hate. The people who commit terrible things and atrocities. You're the same, and you offer no apology or remorse for it.

So, I'd stop complaining about how evil humanity is when you're in the same hateful train of thought as them.

Do you people not have tranquilisers..

In the real world those aren't instant.

[Salus Maior]

Do you people not have tranquilisers..

As we've noted several times in the thread, there wasn't time for tranqs to take effect in this case. It would have also angered the gorilla further and possibly cause him to lash out in more violence against the child.

[Comcaliph]

Do you people not have tranquilisers..

In the real world those aren't instant.

it took them 10 minutes to decide to shoot. Plenty of time

[Giovenith]

So, you'd let a defenseless innocent die just because the other 'innocent' is a species you personally prefer?

I think I'd stop pretending you have some moral high ground. You're the same as the people you say you hate. The people who commit terrible things and atrocities. You're the same, and you offer no apology or remorse for it.

So, I'd stop complaining about how evil humanity is when you're in the same hateful train of thought as them.

Do you people not have tranquilisers..

Do you people not read last four pages of thread where people explained that tranquilizers don't work like in cartoons, in that they take several minutes to take full effect and often cause the animals to lash out in anger at the unexpected needle stabbed before they do?

[Paredonia]

It's not that we "perceive" ourselves to be higher beings, we are higher beings.

The fact that you're even using a computer is some small evidence to that.

No, we merely perceive ourselves to be higher, when we actually aren't higher at all. Does human arrogance and self-righteousness know no bounds?Many animals build structures, many animals use tools. Why is it suddenly special just because humans do it?