The UK Referendum on Membership of the European Union

[The East Marches]

France is a joke, Italy a paper tiger, Spain racked by political indecision, Germany with a immigration problem and Poland/Hungary are going full nationalism. Nobody is in any position to get strength out of Europe as it stands now. You've a real chance to bend them over the bargaining table.

Ah, if only international relations actually worked like this.

European Union is weak and indecisive. You need only look at their responses to the financial crisis to see that.

[Imperializt Russia]

Europe, especially the strong European states, are definitely stronger than Britain, especially together.

France is a joke, Italy a paper tiger, Spain racked by political indecision, Germany with a immigration problem and Poland/Hungary are going full nationalism. Nobody is in any position to get strength out of Europe as it stands now. You've a real chance to bend them over the bargaining table.

I'm sorry, did I wake up in 1943 this morning?

[Valaran]

European Union is weak and indecisive. You need only look at their responses to the financial crisis to see that.

Which is not indicative on how they'll behave with the UK.

[The East Marches]

European Union is weak and indecisive. You need only look at their responses to the financial crisis to see that.

Which is not indicative on how they'll behave with the UK.

The UK leaving the EU is a financial issue. You'll have to negotiate some sort of trade deal right?

[The East Marches]

France is a joke, Italy a paper tiger, Spain racked by political indecision, Germany with a immigration problem and Poland/Hungary are going full nationalism. Nobody is in any position to get strength out of Europe as it stands now. You've a real chance to bend them over the bargaining table.

I'm sorry, did I wake up in 1943 this morning?

More like 1946. The post war consensus is falling apart. We've gone backwards.

[Valaran]

Which is not indicative on how they'll behave with the UK.

The UK leaving the EU is a financial issue.

It also happens to be a geo-political and legal issue - Brexit has far more profound implications than this.

[The East Marches]

The UK leaving the EU is a financial issue.

It also happens to be a geo-political and legal issue - Brexit has far more profound implications than this.

NATO won't disappear overnight, European continental law is largely a joke anyway. "Muh abuse of right", "pls no bully" literally enshrined in contract law. You'd be better off without it.

[Valaran]

It also happens to be a geo-political and legal issue - Brexit has far more profound implications than this.

NATO won't disappear overnight, European continental law is largely a joke anyway.

I didn't mention either; you assumed wrong, and I think your lack of familiarity with the subject is showing.

[The East Marches]

NATO won't disappear overnight, European continental law is largely a joke anyway.

I didn't mention either; you assumed wrong, and I think your lack of familiarity with the subject is showing.

It's my lack of fucks over European unity. There is no issue with the law in the grand scheme of things if countries really want something.

[Valaran]

It's my lack of fucks over European unity.

That too.

[Neu Leonstein]

It's my lack of fucks over European unity.

Unfortunately though the lack does not appear to be complete enough to stop you from commenting with images of baguette bombs in this thread...

[Valaran]

It's my lack of fucks over European unity.

Unfortunately though the lack does not appear to be complete enough to stop you from commenting with images of baguette bombs in this thread...

lol
Its an old cover of an edition The Economist iirc.

[The East Marches]

Unfortunately though the lack does not appear to be complete enough to stop you from commenting with images of baguette bombs in this thread...

lol
Its an old cover of an edition The Economist iirc.

It is one of my favorites. They always have such clever magazine covers.

[Valaran]

lol
Its an old cover of an edition The Economist iirc.

It is one of my favorites. They always have such clever magazine covers.

Every single one they did of Berlusconi was gold.

[Imperializt Russia]

Which is not indicative on how they'll behave with the UK.

The UK leaving the EU is a financial issue. You'll have to negotiate some sort of trade deal right?

How long will that take? It's not just the EU we'd have to renegotiate with, especially if half the bluster is "we can make our OWN trade deals with blackjack and hookers!!1!"

The government estimated this could take ten years. That's pretty fucked. My professional life, which I hope to start soon, in a decade of massive financial uncertainty.

Fuck. That.

It also happens to be a geo-political and legal issue - Brexit has far more profound implications than this.

NATO won't disappear overnight, European continental law is largely a joke anyway. "Muh abuse of right", "pls no bully" literally enshrined in contract law. You'd be better off without it.

NATO is nothing to do with the EU, and NATO isn't the only geo-political entity or system in Europe. Partly evidenced by, y'know, the EU.
EU continental law isn't a joke. It's pretty pervasive throughout our legal system. So many of our laws refer back to European laws and EU directives define how industry operates.

[Risottia]

Which is not indicative on how they'll behave with the UK.

The UK leaving the EU is a financial issue. You'll have to negotiate some sort of trade deal right?

Who's got less to lose gets to dictate the conditions, you know.

[The East Marches]

How long will that take? It's not just the EU we'd have to renegotiate with, especially if half the bluster is "we can make our OWN trade deals with blackjack and hookers!!1!"

The government estimated this could take ten years. That's pretty fucked. My professional life, which I hope to start soon, in a decade of massive financial uncertainty.

Fuck. That.

You seem very fond of the. Period. Statements.

Is that supposed to make me care?

I doubt it will be 10 years. Trade and businesses will lobby hard to make sure the bump isn't that bad. This is a fact coming from the same government that claimed you would lose 5% to 10% of GDP. You'll have to pardon me if I don't take David Cameron at his word. It's like trusting Obama, a bad decision.

NATO is nothing to do with the EU, and NATO isn't the only geo-political entity or system in Europe. Partly evidenced by, y'know, the EU.
EU continental law isn't a joke. It's pretty pervasive throughout our legal system. So many of our laws refer back to European laws and EU directives define how industry operates.

I thought the poster was refering to collective security, hence why I mentioned NATO. The EU law system is a joke. It's a system with riddled with bureaucratic garbage and lots of poor legal ideas that I'm glad never spread to America. Those EU laws or directives can always be reimplemented by Westminster if you will miss them so much. It's not that big of a deal. You'd be better off saving your legal system from the continents ideas. They tend to be bad for business.

[Olerand]

Yeah, we had this thing called a recession.

I don't understand the fascination with growth. So the developing economies experience rapid growth. Well yes, they're developing. They're smaller than developed economies. Of course they constantly grow and grow rapidly. Don't think China can sustain their growth for much longer.

Nor do we want their growth. If the EU grew at the speed China grows at, our consumption of resources would be unbearable, and we would never meet our environmental requirements.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yeah, we had this thing called a recession.

I don't understand the fascination with growth. So the developing economies experience rapid growth. Well yes, they're developing. They're smaller than developed economies. Of course they constantly grow and grow rapidly. Don't think China can sustain their growth for much longer.

Nor do we want their growth. If the EU grew at the speed China grows at, our consumption of resources would be unbearable, and we would never meet our environmental requirements.

Also yes.

[Olerand]

Ah, if only international relations actually worked like this.

European Union is weak and indecisive. You need only look at their responses to the financial crisis to see that.

... We're not at our strongest, true. But if the Commission and the Council really had their political will set on punishing Britain, do you really think we'd be at the disadvantage?

[Koninkrijk Zeeland]

The UK should leave the European Union. It would save them billions every year. It would give their soveirgnty back.
I hope this will set an example for other countries to leave this corrupt undemocratic union that is even worse than the Soviet Union.

[Vassenor]

The UK should leave the European Union. It would save them billions every year. It would give their soveirgnty back.
I hope this will set an example for other countries to leave this corrupt undemocratic union that is even worse than the Soviet Union.

Actually it's looking like it's going to cost each household anywhere from £2,200 to £5,000 by 2030.

[Ifreann]

European Union is weak and indecisive. You need only look at their responses to the financial crisis to see that.

... We're not at our strongest, true. But if the Commission and the Council really had their political will set on punishing Britain, do you really think we'd be at the disadvantage?

Of course we would. Britannia rules the waves, dontcha know, and they could effortlessly blockade the continent until we agreed to trade with them on their terms.

[Koninkrijk Zeeland]

The UK should leave the European Union. It would save them billions every year. It would give their soveirgnty back.
I hope this will set an example for other countries to leave this corrupt undemocratic union that is even worse than the Soviet Union.

Actually it's looking like it's going to cost each household anywhere from £2,200 to £5,000 by 2030.

The United Kingdom government spends 12.1 billion each year. It only gets 6.7 billion in subsidies. So the EU costs 5.4 billion. The UK has about 64716000 people.
That is about 83 pounds per person.
source : https://tallsay.com/page/4294976089/eu- ... t-geld-toe

Give a source for that fact.

The UK will likely sign a freetrade treaty with the EU because many countries like Germany are net exporters to the UK.

[Vassenor]

Actually it's looking like it's going to cost each household anywhere from £2,200 to £5,000 by 2030.

The United Kingdom government spends 12.1 billion each year. It only gets 6.7 billion in subsidies. So the EU costs 5.4 billion. The UK has about 64716000 people.
That is about 83 pounds per person.
source : https://tallsay.com/page/4294976089/eu- ... t-geld-toe

Give a source for that fact.

The UK will likely sign a freetrade treaty with the EU because many countries like Germany are net exporters to the UK.

http://www.oecd.org/economy/the-economi ... cision.htm