Cockneys soon to be extinct. - "Multiculturalism."

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ed-in.html

Alternate:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10473059

Cockneys are becoming an endangered species in a London borough after 70,000 immigrants have moved in over the past 15 years, a BBC documentary has revealed.
The white population of Newham is leaving in droves, according to the Last Whites of the East End, which claims 73 per cent of the local population is now made up of ethnic minorities and Black British.
It was previously almost all white working class, with the majority dockworkers, but has now become the most multicultural place in the UK, with 147 languages spoken across the borough.
Although many of the area's new residents consider themselves 'proper East Enders', some say the differences in culture and religion are creating divides, with ethnic groups sticking together.

Newham has 66 primary schools and two decades ago more than half the pupils were white British.
But now one school - Drew Primary - has just three white British children per class, with 43 languages spoken throughout its halls.
Peter Bell has been secretary at East Ham Working Men's Club for more than 25 years and said it was one of the last strongholds of traditional East End culture in the area.
The club hosts everything from tea dances to boxing club matches and is trying to keep community spirit together.
Mr Bell, 66, told MailOnline: 'I think we are vital to the area. We try to keep as busy as we can and keep our traditions going.
'If we closed then I can't help but think where would some of these people go? Where would the old ladies who come here every week go? What would they have to look forward to?
'We live in one of the poorest boroughs in the country, and when you walk out of this club, what you see is essentially a slum.'
Mr Bell, who used to work in newspapers, added the different cultures in the area only caused divisions because people don't interact with each other.
He said: 'I mean no disrespect to the Muslim community, but I don't think they want to be part of the traditions here.
'I hear words like multiculturalism and community and I think it's nonsense. We are in an area that has massive unemployment and that is about to become overcrowded and you feel ostracised.
'People feel like they are being forced out. I moved to Hornchurch 12 years ago and I don't regret it one bit.'
The club is just a stone's throw away from West Ham United's now former ground Upton Park, and could take in as much as £13,000 on match days.
But the ground is being turned into housing with the Hammers moving to the Olympic Stadium in Stratford, and Mr Bell said the team's departure will be 'awful' for the area.
He said: 'Selling Upton Park for housing is just going to cause overcrowding. Where are all these children going to go to school? Medically, where are all these people going to go to the doctors'?

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In global terms, we are less culturally diverse as a result of liberal elites and their immigration policy. The native culture of Britain in many areas is being smothered, and natives are often the victim of criminal gangs which are allowed to operate with impunity.

White Nationalist groups are running with this news by reporting it as "White genocide - first casualties." and they're entirely correct to call it that under definitions which include cultural destruction as a form of genocide, such as the definitions used by the Declaration of the rights of indigenous peoples. (Original called "Cultural genocide, eventually it was decided to just include it as genocide.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide

Cultural genocide or cultural cleansing is a concept that lawyer Raphael Lemkin distinguished in 1944 as a component to genocide. The term was considered in the 2007 United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples juxtaposed next to the term "ethnocide," but it was removed in the final document, replaced with simply "genocide."

The supposed enrichment of our society and culture that mass migration brings is not real. The culture is not being enriched, it is being replaced.

With the disappearance of cockneys due to these policies, it is no longer arguable that the policies of mass migration supported by globalists and the left wing are genocidal in nature. At best, the argument must come down to whether this form of genocide is one we should care about.

I think we need to end mass migration as soon as possible. Diversity is not served by it, as can be seen. While cockney is the first well known and accepted group with a local culture to have been wiped out by these policies, many towns and cities have been irrevocably disfigured by these policies. Diversity overall is falling globally as a result, crime against natives is increasing, and wages decline in areas where mass migration occurs.

I'd appreciate before people fly off the handle and act as though they've won the argument just because i'm discussing a topic that they actually point out why this isn't genocide according to the UN Declaration_on_the_Rights_of_Indigenous_Peoples.
In fact, out of hand rejecting white genocide in this manner is just another example of political correctness which was first used to shut down all discussion of immigration, then all discussion of islam.
Eventually, we will drag the dialogue kicking and screaming into admitting what has happened here, and no amount of acting as though it's ridiculous to suggest it will change that. The facts are right there, argue them.

[The House of Petain]

I don't.... I don't know...

[Quokkastan]

A dark day for... well, no one really.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't.... I don't know...

Suppose the policies of a government had wiped out a culture that was hundreds, or perhaps even a thousand years old, while that group of people was telling them to stop it and why they should stop it, and it wasn't white people who were the victims.
But that the government effectively just screamed and shouted at them that they were uncivilized and their opinion didn't matter.

What would be your opinion?

Because that's what's happened here, except it's white people. The white middle classes haven't learned, they've just up and decided to completely reverse their old practices and assumed it'd work out okay, so now they're colonizing and genociding white working class people instead and calling them uncivilized if they complain. Eventually the penny might drop that they're destroying local working class cultures and replacing it with colonists, but I doubt it.

A dark day for... well, no one really.

I'm sure if it were a tribe of native americans who'd had their culture eradicated by US policy you'd be upset.

Cockney culture is a historically notable culture. It's been on the British isles a long time. Can you explain your disdain for it? Does it somehow not count? I suspect it's because you hold double standards and don't think white people can be natives.

If you'd bothered to read the article, you'd see that it's a dark day for the cockneys. They're distraught at the destruction and loss of their identity, community, and culture. It's also a dark day for anyone who actually values the cultures of the west.

[Kelinfort]

Man, you know, all those cultures in the Americas and Asia should come to the Cockney's aid. I mean, Great Britain did a wonderful job of preserving those cultures.

[Fartsniffage]

Good.

[Uiiop]

The article doesn't quite say or support what the title of this thread says.
Some people feeling their culture is destroyed /=/ their culture actually being destroyed .
I thought an anti-PC type would prefer using reals before feels but i'd guess i don't know jack. :/
While i do have my biases against this i recognize this doesn't actually mean your ranting OP is wrong per se just that even with out the Knee Jerk "LOL Daliy fail" the article doesn't actually seem to support your rantings and if you want people to be convinced you should have used something better. Like i don't know data. that should work

[Ostroeuropa]

Man, you know, all those cultures in the Americas and Asia should come to the Cockney's aid. I mean, Great Britain did a wonderful job of preserving those cultures.

So basically you don't care because you think it's justified to commit genocide against people who's ancestors commited crimes, or are at least content with implying as much to discredit their entirely legitimate grievance. Okay.

How is this an appropriate response?

[Cinnabarra]

It's sad, but London and England in general remain overwhelmingly white. It's statistically impossible to see a replacement of an entire nation. It won't happen. "White genocide" and other forms of "Eurabia" have been thrown around as arguments by the right-wing nearly everywhere in Europe since the 70s. Immigration isn't new. Yet it didn't severely alter the ethnic makeup of any European nation since they opened their borders, as I said, in the late 70s.

A study even proved that unlike many think, immigrants don't necessarily have higher birth rates.

I think that immigration, when done moderately, is good. There needs to be a will on both sides to assimilate the newcomers. Any form of sectarisation must be temporary.
It's truly sad, however, that those few immigrants not assimilating after a long time and that the refugee crisis gave a bad reputation to immigration as a whole.

[Ostroeuropa]

The article doesn't quite say or support what the title of this thread says.
Some people feeling their culture is destroyed /=/ their culture actually being destroyed .
I thought an anti-PC type would prefer using reals before feels but i'd guess i don't know jack. :/
While i do have my biases against this i recognize this doesn't actually mean your ranting OP is wrong per se just that even with out the Knee Jerk "LOL Daliy fail" the article doesn't actually seem to support your rantings and if you want people to be convinced you should have used something better. Like i don't know data. that should work

There's other sources.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10473059

[Conserative Morality]

I agree. White genocide is a thing. America is committing cultural genocide on the world. Britain is just one of its many victims.

[Imperializt Russia]

I don't.... I don't know...

Suppose the policies of a government had wiped out a culture that was hundreds, or perhaps even a thousand years old, while that group of people was telling them to stop it and why they should stop it, and it wasn't white people who were the victims.
But that the government effectively just screamed and shouted at them that they were uncivilized and their opinion didn't matter.

What would be your opinion?

Because that's what's happened here, except it's white people. The white middle classes never learn, they've just up and decided to completely reverse their old practices and assumed it'd work out okay, so now they're colonizing and genociding white working class people instead and calling them uncivilized if they complain. Eventually the penny might drop that they're destroying local working class cultures and replacing it with colonists, but I doubt it.

You seem to be ascribing far too much to what a "cockney" is.

We're not talking about the Slavs, we're not talking about WASPs, we're not talking about Jews which are actual ethnic groups or close to it. We're talking about a "culture", termed rather loosely, much better termed a "community".

If we were talking about Celts? You'd have a point.

[Imperializt Russia]

Man, you know, all those cultures in the Americas and Asia should come to the Cockney's aid. I mean, Great Britain did a wonderful job of preserving those cultures.

So basically you don't care because you think it's justified to commit genocide against people who's ancestors commited crimes, or are at least content with implying as much to discredit their entirely legitimate grievance. Okay.

How is this an appropriate response?

Well the cockneys aren't a people, for one.

[Fartsniffage]

The article doesn't quite say or support what the title of this thread says.
Some people feeling their culture is destroyed /=/ their culture actually being destroyed .
I thought an anti-PC type would prefer using reals before feels but i'd guess i don't know jack. :/
While i do have my biases against this i recognize this doesn't actually mean your ranting OP is wrong per se just that even with out the Knee Jerk "LOL Daliy fail" the article doesn't actually seem to support your rantings and if you want people to be convinced you should have used something better. Like i don't know data. that should work

There's other sources.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10473059

Traditional Cockneys have moved out of the capital and into the surrounding counties of Essex and Hertfordshire, especially towns such as Romford and Southend, the study suggests.
In these areas, the accent and the culture continues to thrive and many teenagers still proudly claim their Cockney roots, according to the study.

[Kelinfort]

I agree. White genocide is a thing. America is committing cultural genocide on the world. Britain is just one of its many victims.

Western culture is superior and should assimilate or eliminate every other culture.

Unless another culture tries doing it.

[Conserative Morality]

You seem to be ascribing far too much to what a "cockney" is.

We're not talking about the Slavs, we're not talking about WASPs, we're not talking about Jews which are actual ethnic groups or close to it. We're talking about a "culture", termed rather loosely, much better termed a "community".

If we were talking about Celts? You'd have a point.

They're being genocided too. Everyone speaks American and drinks coke. In thirty years time you'll all be wondering what the archaic tongue of Britland was.

[Ostroeuropa]

So basically you don't care because you think it's justified to commit genocide against people who's ancestors commited crimes, or are at least content with implying as much to discredit their entirely legitimate grievance. Okay.

How is this an appropriate response?

Well the cockneys aren't a people, for one.

That's a pretty arbitrary thing to claim.

[Conserative Morality]

Western culture is superior and should assimilate or eliminate every other culture.

Unless another culture tries doing it.

Fuck yeah, coke and freedom for everyone.

[Quokkastan]

No one is being gassed here. Or even forced to leave their homes. These people aren't dying off, they're just moving. If their culture can't survive moving then it's not very resilient.

Hell, the argument that their culture would go extinct for this reason basically defeats the argument that immigrants to Britain would substantially change it's cultural make up. Since, apparently, cultures cannot survive relocation.

[Ostroeuropa]

You seem to be ascribing far too much to what a "cockney" is.

We're not talking about the Slavs, we're not talking about WASPs, we're not talking about Jews which are actual ethnic groups or close to it. We're talking about a "culture", termed rather loosely, much better termed a "community".

If we were talking about Celts? You'd have a point.

They're being genocided too. Everyone speaks American and drinks coke. In thirty years time you'll all be wondering what the archaic tongue of Britland was.

So you don't actually have an argument, like I pointed out. I'm not the one who came up with the definition, it was the UN.
I even pointed out in the OP that it's a legitimate position to take that you might just decide not to care about this form of genocide.

[Jankau-Helmutsberg]

I'm pretty sure this happens to most large cities in the world, whether it's immigrants or countryside workers coming to stay. Kinda sad.

[Conserative Morality]

That's a pretty arbitrary thing to claim.

I am tired of Appalachians being genocided by mainstream America! Don't they know how precious our combined are/hour/our pronunciation is to us?

[Conserative Morality]

So you don't actually have an argument, like I pointed out. I'm not the one who came up with the definition, it was the UN.
I even pointed out in the OP that it's a legitimate position to take that you might just decide not to care about this form of genocide.

I'm being completely serious. We're committing cultural genocide on the world according to that definition.

I just happen to think that definition of genocide is hopelessly petty and I support it completely.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well the cockneys aren't a people, for one.

That's a pretty arbitrary thing to claim.

They're not. Can you try and demonstrate they are?

Cockney used to be what "southerner" is today, really (metropolitan, urban types). That isn't a "people". It has since narrowed greatly to mean "working-class East End folk". Still not "a people".

Like I said - if we were talking about the Celts here, you would definitely have a point and there would be a cause for concern beyond just mourning the loss of tradition.

[Kelinfort]

Man, you know, all those cultures in the Americas and Asia should come to the Cockney's aid. I mean, Great Britain did a wonderful job of preserving those cultures.

So basically you don't care because you think it's justified to commit genocide against people who's ancestors commited crimes, or are at least content with implying as much to discredit their entirely legitimate grievance. Okay.

How is this an appropriate response?

No, I'm suggesting you're making the SJW argument, just about whites.