by Xerographica » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:38 am
Forsher wrote:You, I and everyone we know, knows Xero's threads are about one thing and one thing only.
by Dakini » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:19 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:26 am
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:32 am
by Wine-loving Chimps » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:32 am
by Dakini » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:37 am
Wine-loving Chimps wrote:As for uHaul... personally I'm stuck with the Royal Mail, so maybe that explains why I'm not understanding what you are talking about.
by Bogdanov Vishniac » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:51 am
Rifters wrote:Here's the thumbnail sketch: we have here a spider who eats other spiders, who changes her foraging strategy on the fly, who resorts to trial and error techniques to lure prey into range. She will brave a full frontal assault against prey carrying an egg sac, but sneak up upon an unencumbered target of the same species. Many insects and arachnids are known for fairly complex behaviors (bumblebees are the proletarian's archetype; Sphex wasps are the cool grad-school example), but those behaviors are hardwired and inflexible. Portia here is not so rote: Portia improvises.
But it's not just this flexible behavioral repertoire that's so amazing. It's not the fact that somehow, this dumb little spider with its crude compound optics has visual acuity to rival a cat's (even though a cat's got orders of magnitude more neurons in one retina than our spider has in her whole damn head). It's not even the fact that this little beast can figure out a maze which entails recognizing prey, then figuring out an approach path along which that prey is not visible (i.e., the spider can't just keep her eyes on the ball: she has to develop and remember a search image), then follow her best-laid plans by memory including recognizing when she's made a wrong turn and retracing her steps, all the while out of sight of her target. No, the really amazing thing is how she does all this with a measly 600,000 neurons— how she pulls off cognitive feats that would challenge a mammal with seventy million or more.
She does it like a Turing Machine, one laborious step at a time. She does it like a Sinclair ZX-80: running one part of the system then another, because she doesn't have the circuitry to run both at once. She does it all sequentially, by timesharing.
She'll sit there for two fucking hours, just watching. It takes that long to process the image, you see: whereas a cat or a mouse would assimilate the whole hi-res vista in an instant, Portia's poor underpowered graphics driver can only hold a fraction of the scene at any given time. So she scans, back and forth, back and forth, like some kind of hairy multilimbed Cylon centurion, scanning each little segment of the game board in turn. Then, when she synthesizes the relevant aspects of each (God knows how many variables she's juggling, how many pencil sketches get scribbled onto the scratch pad because the jpeg won't fit), she figures out a plan, and puts it into motion: climbing down the branch, falling out of sight of the target, ignoring other branches that would only seem to provide a more direct route to payoff, homing in on that one critical fork in the road that leads back up to satiation. Portia won't be deterred by the fact that she only has a few percent of a real brain: she emulates the brain she needs, a few percent at a time.
by San Marlindo » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:19 am
Aclion wrote:Usual stuff; Wallet, phone, keys.
"Cold, analytical, materialistic thinking tends to throttle the urge to imagination." - Michael Chekhov
by Xerographica » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:35 am
Dakini wrote:I don't think you're a good enough philosopher to be coining your own words (by the way, the word for "there should be a word for this, but there isn't" is "lacuna", which is also called a "lexical gap"). Using this as a basis of intelligence is silly. I'm not carrying anything right now.
Dakini wrote:Also, intelligence has arisen more than once on this planet. Animals like dolphins are rather intelligent, as are other great apes and even octopi are quite smart.
Forsher wrote:You, I and everyone we know, knows Xero's threads are about one thing and one thing only.
by Differing Opinions » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:43 am
by Xerographica » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:44 am
Wine-loving Chimps wrote:So what exactly do you mean by "carrying" the "right things"? Thoughts?
Wine-loving Chimps wrote:As for the evolution part... do not that humans are some of the most complex creatures in the history of the world. It took a lot of time for natural selection to build up all the blocks that made humans. And every once in a while mass-extinctions got rid of all that hard work.
Forsher wrote:You, I and everyone we know, knows Xero's threads are about one thing and one thing only.
by Xerographica » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:51 am
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:Intelligence has evolved multiple different times in Earth's history. It's not a singular phenomena - you can get to it by any number of different routes, and the outcome itself can be fundamentally different depending on the selective pressures involved. As Dakini noted, octopuses, elephants, magpies and dolphins all are intelligent by one measure or another - all have wildly varying abilities to carry things. There's no correlation between your made up concept and intelligence. See for example jumping spiders in the genus Portia;
Forsher wrote:You, I and everyone we know, knows Xero's threads are about one thing and one thing only.
by Valaran » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:58 am
Xerographica wrote: I think it has to do with the fact that we are the only species that can simultaneously carry different resources. Other animals can carry things... but we are the only animal that can carry many different things at the same time. So deciding what to carry becomes a far more complex problem. And more complex problems require more processing power and memory.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Xerographica » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:25 am
Valaran wrote:Xerographica wrote: I think it has to do with the fact that we are the only species that can simultaneously carry different resources. Other animals can carry things... but we are the only animal that can carry many different things at the same time. So deciding what to carry becomes a far more complex problem. And more complex problems require more processing power and memory.
Why does it have to be one reason?
It also has to do with more developed and complex methods of storing and communicating information, and more complex social constructs, allowing them to pool resources and relate experiences. And this is before we get onto the dietary theories, and environmental factors of proto-man.
Forsher wrote:You, I and everyone we know, knows Xero's threads are about one thing and one thing only.
by Dakini » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:28 am
Khadgar wrote:Don't post while high kids. You end up with this pseudo-philosophical dren.
by Valaran » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:29 am
Xerographica wrote:Valaran wrote:
Why does it have to be one reason?
It also has to do with more developed and complex methods of storing and communicating information, and more complex social constructs, allowing them to pool resources and relate experiences. And this is before we get onto the dietary theories, and environmental factors of proto-man.
Our exceptional ability to process/store/communicate information has to have a logical explanation. From my perspective, the other explanations are woefully inadequate.
If you saw the video clips then you would know that chimpanzees are linvoid (capable of simultaneously carrying different resources). But they aren't as linvoid as humans are. This disparity in linvoid explains the disparity in our intelligence.
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Walking more and more upright provided a distinct advantage because it allowed our ancestors to simultaneously and efficiently carry/transport more and different resources over greater distances.
As our ancestors migrated, the groups that had more intelligence carried more valuable things
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Risottia » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:33 am
Xerographica wrote:Dakini wrote:I don't think you're a good enough philosopher to be coining your own words (by the way, the word for "there should be a word for this, but there isn't" is "lacuna", which is also called a "lexical gap"). Using this as a basis of intelligence is silly. I'm not carrying anything right now.
You're carrying the word "lacuna" in your head. You're also carrying your own genetic material and the genetic material of numerous different microorganisms.
by Xerographica » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:44 am
Valaran wrote:I'm not really sure it does. There are other traits we do not share with chimpanzees. There's no reason to assume just one difference is the source of 'human intelligence'.
Forsher wrote:You, I and everyone we know, knows Xero's threads are about one thing and one thing only.
by Ifreann » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:46 am
Risottia wrote:Xerographica wrote:
You're carrying the word "lacuna" in your head. You're also carrying your own genetic material and the genetic material of numerous different microorganisms.
So the whole point of this thread is weaseling around the definition of "carry", innit.
by Xerographica » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:50 am
Ifreann wrote:Risottia wrote:You're carrying the word "lacuna" in your head. You're also carrying your own genetic material and the genetic material of numerous different microorganisms.
So the whole point of this thread is weaseling around the definition of "carry", innit.
I think the whole point of this thread is to promote Xero's neologism and/or philosophy.
Forsher wrote:You, I and everyone we know, knows Xero's threads are about one thing and one thing only.
by Ifreann » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:53 am
Xerographica wrote:Ifreann wrote:I think the whole point of this thread is to promote Xero's neologism and/or philosophy.
What does this thread have to do with xeroism, epiphytics or pragmatarianism?
by Xerographica » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:59 am
Forsher wrote:You, I and everyone we know, knows Xero's threads are about one thing and one thing only.
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