by The Liberated Territories » Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:58 pm
by Anarchist Heathenry » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:03 pm
by The balkens » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:05 pm
by The Liberated Territories » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:06 pm
Anarchist Heathenry wrote:You could at least have the decency to say "Right-Libertarian Discussion Thread", unless you want to put yourself in the ranks of "Third Positionists".
Kelinfort wrote:Johnson, should I vote Libertarian
by Kelinfort » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:38 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Anarchist Heathenry wrote:You could at least have the decency to say "Right-Libertarian Discussion Thread", unless you want to put yourself in the ranks of "Third Positionists".
Why split the labels when there is only one true type of libertarian?
Besides, if you were as quick to read the OP as to post, you'd realize I also invited "left" libertarians, although I am focusing on libertarians of the market liking variety since communism and socialism can be more adequately by the Left Wing discussion thread, and because we are more numerous.Kelinfort wrote:Johnson, should I vote Libertarian
Why though, what makes him so special? Why not vote for one of the major parties due to the "lesser evil" factor?
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:42 pm
by The Liberated Territories » Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:59 pm
Kelinfort wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:
Why split the labels when there is only one true type of libertarian?
Besides, if you were as quick to read the OP as to post, you'd realize I also invited "left" libertarians, although I am focusing on libertarians of the market liking variety since communism and socialism can be more adequately by the Left Wing discussion thread, and because we are more numerous.
Why though, what makes him so special? Why not vote for one of the major parties due to the "lesser evil" factor?
I vote for my preferred candidate, not a so called "lesser" evil.
Bernie Sanders is a far lesser evil than Donald Trump. I won't vote for him out of that kind of lesser evil nonsense. The only exception I make is if Trump and he are close, and my vote could prevent a President Trump.
by Kelinfort » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:02 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Kelinfort wrote:I vote for my preferred candidate, not a so called "lesser" evil.
Bernie Sanders is a far lesser evil than Donald Trump. I won't vote for him out of that kind of lesser evil nonsense. The only exception I make is if Trump and he are close, and my vote could prevent a President Trump.
How close are we expecting? Several percentage points? A few thousand votes?
(I'm just playing devil's advocate, but I think this is a good debate.)
by Greater Istanistan » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:24 pm
by Diopolis » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:27 pm
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:30 pm
Greater Istanistan wrote:I'm personally a fan of libertarian social policy. As such, I'd probably end up voting for Gary Johnston over Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. The former is a war hawk and the latter a probable disaster if he actually won. By voting Libertarian, I'd be able to push that "third alternative", although I still prefer the Greens as they have a solid social platform plus the economics I prefer.
Do you think the libertarians will do well, riding a wave of disaffected anti-establishment voters from the Democrats once Sanders gives up the ghost? Or will they just go Green?
by Nationalist Gold Union » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:32 pm
by Greater Istanistan » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:32 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I've been trying to do my part to sway people who don't want to vote for Hillary towards the Libertarian camp. I'd really prefer they don't go Green because I do think the LP could do very well this year and I'd like to see the two party system have a wrench thrown into it.
by The Liberated Territories » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:34 pm
Diopolis wrote:The only libertarian candidate I would even consider voting for would be Peterson, and that's only if Trump wins the republican primary and Copeland the constitutionalist one.
by The Liberated Territories » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:40 pm
Greater Istanistan wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:I've been trying to do my part to sway people who don't want to vote for Hillary towards the Libertarian camp. I'd really prefer they don't go Green because I do think the LP could do very well this year and I'd like to see the two party system have a wrench thrown into it.
I'm a Canuck, so we don't have the precise problem of a two-party system. It would definitely be good to have a third alternative within American politics. Although I don't agree with a lot of things libertarianism stands for, I still find it a shame that so many libertarians think that the Republican Party is a good home for them. If they stayed out, then maybe their Party would be able to seriously contest elections.
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:40 pm
Greater Istanistan wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:I've been trying to do my part to sway people who don't want to vote for Hillary towards the Libertarian camp. I'd really prefer they don't go Green because I do think the LP could do very well this year and I'd like to see the two party system have a wrench thrown into it.
I'm a Canuck, so we don't have the precise problem of a two-party system. It would definitely be good to have a third alternative within American politics. Although I don't agree with a lot of things libertarianism stands for, I still find it a shame that so many libertarians think that the Republican Party is a good home for them. If they stayed out, then maybe their Party would be able to seriously contest elections.
by Nearly Finland » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:41 pm
by The Liberated Territories » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:47 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Greater Istanistan wrote:
I'm a Canuck, so we don't have the precise problem of a two-party system. It would definitely be good to have a third alternative within American politics. Although I don't agree with a lot of things libertarianism stands for, I still find it a shame that so many libertarians think that the Republican Party is a good home for them. If they stayed out, then maybe their Party would be able to seriously contest elections.
It's largely because people have the mentality that voting third party is and always will be a waste, I've been dealing with that a lot lately when I'm trying to convince people to take a look at the candidates.
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:55 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's largely because people have the mentality that voting third party is and always will be a waste, I've been dealing with that a lot lately when I'm trying to convince people to take a look at the candidates.
The whole system needs to go, but voting for the current two parties won't fix it. Ise that line of reasoning. Only third parties I trust will significantly revamp the electoral system, if we can get an amendment to the constitution.
by Greater Istanistan » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:58 pm
The Liberated Territories wrote:Canada may be headed down that road, at least for Federal Elections. The Anyone But Conservative crowd however might keep Canada from swinging back and forth from Liberal to Conservative. Finally, Canada still uses a form of FPTP and the sheer dominance of the Liberal Party in Canada forced it's opponents to unite with them or against them, depending on their political affiliations. Mind you the Conservatives weren't a united forced to be reckoned with until recently.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's largely because people have the mentality that voting third party is and always will be a waste, I've been dealing with that a lot lately when I'm trying to convince people to take a look at the candidates.
by The Liberated Territories » Sun Apr 24, 2016 5:59 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:The Liberated Territories wrote:
The whole system needs to go, but voting for the current two parties won't fix it. Ise that line of reasoning. Only third parties I trust will significantly revamp the electoral system, if we can get an amendment to the constitution.
That's what I try to tell people, everyone complains about the system but won't do anything to try and fix it. It's mind boggling.
Does anyone happen to know what happened to that Green/Libertarian lawsuit for equal debate access?
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:06 pm
Greater Istanistan wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's largely because people have the mentality that voting third party is and always will be a waste, I've been dealing with that a lot lately when I'm trying to convince people to take a look at the candidates.
I feel as though the Libertarians really need wins at the state level - Representatives, Senators, and even a Governor - if they want to be considered. It's a stepping-stone approach, and building upwards from below provides a solid platform. That being said, if this Presidential run goes well I could see parties like the Greens and Libertarians picking up a lot of support and attention. Although one can't get too hopeful - Jill Stein was illegally detained for trying to participate in a debate...
The Liberated Territories wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's what I try to tell people, everyone complains about the system but won't do anything to try and fix it. It's mind boggling.
Does anyone happen to know what happened to that Green/Libertarian lawsuit for equal debate access?
No idea. Seems stalled for some reason. I do recall a recent victory in getting Oklahoma, which means if things go right this year it's possible for the Libertarians and Greens to secure their place all necessary states.
http://ballot-access.org/
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