Indeed, God is quite silly in the viewpoint of logic and science.
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by The Rich Port » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:46 am
by Quokkastan » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:36 am
Roma Byzantina wrote:Zoice wrote:It matters because it can have an impact on this (possibly the only) life.Vorond wrote:
It matters because you make decisions based on it that affect others: if you're able to simply switch off your reason I dont think you're qualified to do that.
I do use my reasoning. I don't just look at the Church and say "I'll take everything that they say at face value." I wouldn't be a leftist if I went by pure Church Dogma. I don't discriminate against Muslims, Jews, Gays, Lesbians, Transgendered people, nor do I use it as an excuse for whatever behavior I may exhibit. Faith is philosophy (at least that's what I think) and philosophy is pure thought (at least that's the impression I get for String Theory being thought by some as just philosophy). Faith is, therefore, pure thought.
Maybe I'm wrong here, and I'll readily admit to any falsehood here, but my faith isn't my sole authority. It simply is another part of my identity as is my race/ethnicity, nationality, and sexuality.
by The Rich Port » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:38 am
Quokkastan wrote:Roma Byzantina wrote:
I do use my reasoning. I don't just look at the Church and say "I'll take everything that they say at face value." I wouldn't be a leftist if I went by pure Church Dogma. I don't discriminate against Muslims, Jews, Gays, Lesbians, Transgendered people, nor do I use it as an excuse for whatever behavior I may exhibit. Faith is philosophy (at least that's what I think) and philosophy is pure thought (at least that's the impression I get for String Theory being thought by some as just philosophy). Faith is, therefore, pure thought.
Faith is the belief in a proposition irrespective of evidence. It is not philosophy. It is not "pure thought."Maybe I'm wrong here, and I'll readily admit to any falsehood here, but my faith isn't my sole authority. It simply is another part of my identity as is my race/ethnicity, nationality, and sexuality.
This is one of the things I find irritating about lefty-feel-good-spirituality. Your position on the answers to some of the most important questions in the universe is trivialized to the level of "where I happen to have been born" and "how I like to mash my genitals together."
by Roma Byzantina » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:42 pm
Quokkastan wrote:Roma Byzantina wrote:
I do use my reasoning. I don't just look at the Church and say "I'll take everything that they say at face value." I wouldn't be a leftist if I went by pure Church Dogma. I don't discriminate against Muslims, Jews, Gays, Lesbians, Transgendered people, nor do I use it as an excuse for whatever behavior I may exhibit. Faith is philosophy (at least that's what I think) and philosophy is pure thought (at least that's the impression I get for String Theory being thought by some as just philosophy). Faith is, therefore, pure thought.
Faith is the belief in a proposition irrespective of evidence. It is not philosophy. It is not "pure thought."Maybe I'm wrong here, and I'll readily admit to any falsehood here, but my faith isn't my sole authority. It simply is another part of my identity as is my race/ethnicity, nationality, and sexuality.
This is one of the things I find irritating about lefty-feel-good-spirituality. Your position on the answers to some of the most important questions in the universe is trivialized to the level of "where I happen to have been born" and "how I like to mash my genitals together."
The Rich Port wrote:Quokkastan wrote:Faith is the belief in a proposition irrespective of evidence. It is not philosophy. It is not "pure thought."
This is one of the things I find irritating about lefty-feel-good-spirituality. Your position on the answers to some of the most important questions in the universe is trivialized to the level of "where I happen to have been born" and "how I like to mash my genitals together."
It's funny... And sad... how right-wing religious people have appropriated some leftist values in order to defend themselves against logic.
And it's funny how my right-wing intolerance informs me against those things.
by Differing Opinions » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:30 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:35 pm
by Godular » Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:44 pm
by Alvecia » Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:44 am
Roma Byzantina wrote:Raised Catholic and I've recently reaffirmed my faith (after a year or so of some doubt) for myself and I do believe in God. Of course I believe in a God that works with the universe via the laws of physics, quantum mechanics, and all that. For now, I feel that I don't confront Catholic theology all that much so I'm comfortable using the label. Anyways, my faith is strong in His existence and that is that. If I'm wrong (whether it be Buddha, C'thulu, or even the invisible, pink Unicorn who visits me) then I see no qualms. If there is nothing after life then what does it matter that I believed in God?
by The Rich Port » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:24 am
Alvecia wrote:Roma Byzantina wrote:Raised Catholic and I've recently reaffirmed my faith (after a year or so of some doubt) for myself and I do believe in God. Of course I believe in a God that works with the universe via the laws of physics, quantum mechanics, and all that. For now, I feel that I don't confront Catholic theology all that much so I'm comfortable using the label. Anyways, my faith is strong in His existence and that is that. If I'm wrong (whether it be Buddha, C'thulu, or even the invisible, pink Unicorn who visits me) then I see no qualms. If there is nothing after life then what does it matter that I believed in God?
For the most part, its not the believing in God that's the problem, its what that entails within your particular religion.
Hoe it wants you to act, how it wants you to think, and how open it makes you to manipulation.
by Differing Opinions » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:40 am
The Rich Port wrote:Also, a common mandate and principle of many religious movements is conversion, because anybody who isn't part of the religion is not just wrong, they're the worst kind of sinners: those who knowingly disavow your God, as opposed to simply having apathy or a lack of knowledge.
"Infidels", they call them.
by Real Sperland » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:30 pm
Alvecia wrote:Roma Byzantina wrote:Raised Catholic and I've recently reaffirmed my faith (after a year or so of some doubt) for myself and I do believe in God. Of course I believe in a God that works with the universe via the laws of physics, quantum mechanics, and all that. For now, I feel that I don't confront Catholic theology all that much so I'm comfortable using the label. Anyways, my faith is strong in His existence and that is that. If I'm wrong (whether it be Buddha, C'thulu, or even the invisible, pink Unicorn who visits me) then I see no qualms. If there is nothing after life then what does it matter that I believed in God?
For the most part, its not the believing in God that's the problem, its what that entails within your particular religion.
Hoe it wants you to act, how it wants you to think, and how open it makes you to manipulation.
by Otrua » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:12 pm
The Rich Port wrote:The Church of the FSM is a parody religion... Believing it actually exists goes against the whole reason it was created.
by The Rich Port » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:52 pm
by The Alma Mater » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:25 pm
The Rich Port wrote:The Union of the West wrote:I mean, I try not to go around dissing on anyone. But I don't think anyone actually believes that the Flying Spaghetti Monster actually exists.
The Church of the FSM is a parody religion... Believing it actually exists goes against the whole reason it was created.
Frankly, though, not something I'd put past religious people.
by Alicutia » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:42 am
Ashmoria wrote:Alicutia wrote:I think a lot of what most people's view on what God would be is to influenced by the view of the Hellenistic Gods as a literal human like being in the sky. I believe a more wise interpretation would be the recognition that everything we've observed so far in the universe is connected to every other part of the universe even if in a seemingly small way. The acceptance that we are inconceivably small in a gargantuan universe meaning most things are out of our control and already set by pre-existing physical laws. That is what I believe to be the God of Abraham.
you think that the interconnection of all things spoke to a man thousands of years ago and convinced him to try to kill his son?
by The Imperium Empires » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:46 am
by Ashmoria » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:53 am
Alicutia wrote:Ashmoria wrote:you think that the interconnection of all things spoke to a man thousands of years ago and convinced him to try to kill his son?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OTPEyj5l3c
But seriously I never said that.
by San Marlindo » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:09 am
"Cold, analytical, materialistic thinking tends to throttle the urge to imagination." - Michael Chekhov
by Alvecia » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:19 am
San Marlindo wrote:I cannot perceive God with any of my natural senses.
Of course, that doesn't mean jack. Radio waves pass around me all the time in the atmosphere, and I can't detect them. I am incapable of detecting infrasound or ultrasound on the EMF spectrum without the use of sophisticated machines for instance.
It all comes down to a question of faith. The faithful say, "I want to believe."
The atheist says, "I want to know."
It is the latter viewpoint that becomes more popular the more skeptical and down to earth our society gets. While I think this will be a negative trend in the long run due to the tendency to think inside a box - without acknowledging the impossible many one day become an extreme possibility - and indeed, result in the mistaken and frankly, arrogant belief that we already have most of the answers.
But I digress. Unless you have a "Road to Damascus" moment where God becomes real to you in a way you can understand, you have to make a leap of faith.
And if you're really that skeptical, who's to say God appearing in front of you - or for that matter, touching you is going to do any good? When your senses return you'll dismiss it as a dream, a hallucination, a schizophrenic episode, a bad trip, a mirage, or an elaborate prank. If you were to witness the impossible - the defiance of natural law - you would be far likelier to check yourself into detox or the funny farm than concede that the "impossible" just happened.
It is the latter viewpoint that becomes more popular the more skeptical and down to earth our society gets. While I think this will be a negative trend in the long run due to the tendency to think inside a box - without acknowledging the impossible many one day become an extreme possibility - and indeed, result in the mistaken and frankly, arrogant belief that we already have most of the answers.
by Differing Opinions » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:58 am
The Imperium Empires wrote:I don't believe in God for a few reasons-
1- where's the proof ' if there's a god why hasn't he shown his face in the last 1000 years so where the heck is he
2- the bible says he did a lot of pretty horrible things , if there is a god he wouldn't do these things
3- there so many religons, there are so many religons with so many gods who's to say GOD is even real if there is even a god
by Alvecia » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:09 am
Differing Opinions wrote:The Imperium Empires wrote:I don't believe in God for a few reasons-
1- where's the proof ' if there's a god why hasn't he shown his face in the last 1000 years so where the heck is he
2- the bible says he did a lot of pretty horrible things , if there is a god he wouldn't do these things
3- there so many religons, there are so many religons with so many gods who's to say GOD is even real if there is even a god
1. According to some, He was here about 2000 years ago.
Differing Opinions wrote:Absolute certainty of His existence would sort of defeat the purpose, as any evolution in general requires shifting goalposts,
Differing Opinions wrote:which leads me to...
2. We are made in His image(a), so forward engineer that a bit, and imagine a static pointless existence(b),
Differing Opinions wrote:2. We are made in His image(a), so forward engineer that a bit, and imagine a static pointless existence(b), if you existed at all, if God were as one dimensional as people think He should be.
Differing Opinions wrote:3. The human condition is a subjective experience.
by Zoice » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:42 am
Differing Opinions wrote:The Imperium Empires wrote:I don't believe in God for a few reasons-
1- where's the proof ' if there's a god why hasn't he shown his face in the last 1000 years so where the heck is he
2- the bible says he did a lot of pretty horrible things , if there is a god he wouldn't do these things
3- there so many religons, there are so many religons with so many gods who's to say GOD is even real if there is even a god
1. According to some, He was here about 2000 years ago. Absolute certainty of His existence would sort of defeat the purpose, as any evolution in general requires shifting goalposts, which leads me to...
2. We are made in His image, so forward engineer that a bit, and imagine a static pointless existence, if you existed at all, if God were as one dimensional as people think He should be.
3. The human condition is a subjective experience.
by Ecitela » Fri May 27, 2016 7:29 am
The Alma Mater wrote:The Rich Port wrote:
The Church of the FSM is a parody religion... Believing it actually exists goes against the whole reason it was created.
Frankly, though, not something I'd put past religious people.
The FSM works in mysterious ways. That he choose to reveal the truth as if it were a joke just shows his great sense of humour
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