...isn't inherently left wing, try again. Rightism, for a very long time, was in complete support of a massive government that controlled society. It was called monarchism. In some places, it still is.
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by Jamzmania » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:09 pm
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No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
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by Constantinopolis » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:21 pm
Jamzmania wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:
...isn't inherently left wing, try again. Rightism, for a very long time, was in complete support of a massive government that controlled society. It was called monarchism. In some places, it still is.
Then I suppose it depends on what you use to measure left and right. I use authoritarianism.
by Jamzmania » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:32 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Jamzmania wrote:Then I suppose it depends on what you use to measure left and right. I use authoritarianism.
...which results in you being forced to position the majority of historical political movements (not just the Nazis) in a different place from where they were historically positioned. For example, anarchism has always been considered far-left.
The Left-Right spectrum is not, and never has been, about authoritarianism.
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."
-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45
by Trotskylvania » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:34 pm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by Jamzmania » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:36 pm
Trotskylvania wrote:Jamzmania wrote:The massive government and its control of society.
That's not a left wing idea, especially in Europe anywhere between 1789 and 1991.
In Germany specifically, state control was strongly associated with the right wing and the Prussian Junker aristocracy. Prussian militarism was mirrored by their economic policy; the state controlled the economy in the exercise of military prerogatives and to promote the prestige of the nation. It was anti-democratic, anti-liberal, strongly conservative and traditionalist, tied closely to titled/landed nobility.
The Alexanderians wrote:"Fear no man or woman,
No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."
-Engraved on the side of my M1911 .45
by Trotskylvania » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:42 pm
Jamzmania wrote:Constantinopolis wrote:...which results in you being forced to position the majority of historical political movements (not just the Nazis) in a different place from where they were historically positioned. For example, anarchism has always been considered far-left.
The Left-Right spectrum is not, and never has been, about authoritarianism.
I've never heard of anarchism being considered far left, however communism and socialism are considered far left. Their primary theme is significant (if not total) government control over the economy. Fascism operates in much the same way. There is a reason that the Nazi Party's name was the National Socialist German Workers' Party.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by Warped Woods » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:42 pm
Jamzmania wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:That's not a left wing idea, especially in Europe anywhere between 1789 and 1991.
In Germany specifically, state control was strongly associated with the right wing and the Prussian Junker aristocracy. Prussian militarism was mirrored by their economic policy; the state controlled the economy in the exercise of military prerogatives and to promote the prestige of the nation. It was anti-democratic, anti-liberal, strongly conservative and traditionalist, tied closely to titled/landed nobility.
And yet we are talking, presumably, about modern definitions. In modern usage, the actual ideology of fascism would probably be considered left wing because it is a variation of socialism.
by Radiatia » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:44 pm
by Trotskylvania » Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:48 pm
Jamzmania wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:That's not a left wing idea, especially in Europe anywhere between 1789 and 1991.
In Germany specifically, state control was strongly associated with the right wing and the Prussian Junker aristocracy. Prussian militarism was mirrored by their economic policy; the state controlled the economy in the exercise of military prerogatives and to promote the prestige of the nation. It was anti-democratic, anti-liberal, strongly conservative and traditionalist, tied closely to titled/landed nobility.
And yet we are talking, presumably, about modern definitions. In modern usage, the actual ideology of fascism would probably be considered left wing because it is a variation of socialism.
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
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Jamzmania wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:That's not a left wing idea, especially in Europe anywhere between 1789 and 1991.
In Germany specifically, state control was strongly associated with the right wing and the Prussian Junker aristocracy. Prussian militarism was mirrored by their economic policy; the state controlled the economy in the exercise of military prerogatives and to promote the prestige of the nation. It was anti-democratic, anti-liberal, strongly conservative and traditionalist, tied closely to titled/landed nobility.
And yet we are talking, presumably, about modern definitions. In modern usage, the actual ideology of fascism would probably be considered left wing because it is a variation of socialism.
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