Creating Military or Police Force
The WA cannot have or form a military, peace keeping force, the World Police or any other such variation. This is pretty clear: don't do it.
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by Wrapper » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:49 pm
Creating Military or Police Force
The WA cannot have or form a military, peace keeping force, the World Police or any other such variation. This is pretty clear: don't do it.
by Excidium Planetis » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:13 pm
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by Wallenburg » Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:18 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:OOC: There. No more WA Peacekeeping force. We now have a WA Friendship Force, which is prohibited from engaging in offensive military actions, from enforcing compliance, and from carrying lethal weapons on WAHQ property. It is allowed to assist in disarmament, demobilization, government restructuring, and protection of non-combatants.
Try to say that violates the above rule.
by Tinfect » Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:47 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:OOC: There. No more WA Peacekeeping force. We now have a WA Friendship Force, which is prohibited from engaging in offensive military actions, from enforcing compliance, and from carrying lethal weapons on WAHQ property. It is allowed to assist in disarmament, demobilization, government restructuring, and protection of non-combatants.
Try to say that violates the above rule.
How does it protect noncombatants?
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by Excidium Planetis » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:20 am
Wallenburg wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:OOC: There. No more WA Peacekeeping force. We now have a WA Friendship Force, which is prohibited from engaging in offensive military actions, from enforcing compliance, and from carrying lethal weapons on WAHQ property. It is allowed to assist in disarmament, demobilization, government restructuring, and protection of non-combatants.
Try to say that violates the above rule.
How does it protect noncombatants?
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by Wallenburg » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:23 am
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by Wallenburg » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:33 am
by Sciongrad » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:11 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:OOC: There. No more WA Peacekeeping force. We now have a WA Friendship Force, which is prohibited from engaging in offensive military actions, from enforcing compliance, and from carrying lethal weapons on WAHQ property. It is allowed to assist in disarmament, demobilization, government restructuring, and protection of non-combatants.
Try to say that violates the above rule.
by Excidium Planetis » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:24 am
Sciongrad wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:OOC: There. No more WA Peacekeeping force. We now have a WA Friendship Force, which is prohibited from engaging in offensive military actions, from enforcing compliance, and from carrying lethal weapons on WAHQ property. It is allowed to assist in disarmament, demobilization, government restructuring, and protection of non-combatants.
Try to say that violates the above rule.
OOC: Not to keep hounding on this, because I'm not necessarily opposed to a peace keeping force of some kind, but how is the "WA Friendship Force" functionally different from a peacekeeping force?
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by Sciongrad » Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:06 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:Sciongrad wrote:
OOC: Not to keep hounding on this, because I'm not necessarily opposed to a peace keeping force of some kind, but how is the "WA Friendship Force" functionally different from a peacekeeping force?
OOC: It isn't. But the WA Army rule doesn't ban peacekeeping efforts, it bans military forces. Unless you want to argue that GA#130 Elections and Assistance Act should have been illegal because the OEA assists in government transition, something that is a peacekeeping effort in the real world.
by Excidium Planetis » Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:14 pm
Sciongrad wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:
OOC: It isn't. But the WA Army rule doesn't ban peacekeeping efforts, it bans military forces. Unless you want to argue that GA#130 Elections and Assistance Act should have been illegal because the OEA assists in government transition, something that is a peacekeeping effort in the real world.
OOC: The crux of my concern is this subclause: "the WA Friendship Force [shall] have the following duties, provided at the request or consent of all WA member nations involved in each specific friendship effort: Protection of civilian non-combatants in times of war or civil strife [...]"
This is peace keeping force - i.e., it must function in some type of armed capacity to carry out its duties effectively - which is explicitly prohibited by the rule. Again, I have no strong feelings on this issue, but I think this is something you should consider.
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by Separatist Peoples » Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:59 pm
Prohibits any WA organizations or committees from enforcing WA compliance or taking action against WA members for any acts of non-compliance with WA resolutions.
by Liagolas » Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:22 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Prohibits any WA organizations or committees from enforcing WA compliance or taking action against WA members for any acts of non-compliance with WA resolutions.
OOC: since this basically makes the GA forum pointless, I'll have to oppose this. Compliance is the basis of our RP. Gutting that makes us little more organized than the II threads where you get a half dozen kids going "Nuh UH!" "Yuh HUH!" regarding thread rules. I really hope I'm reading it wrong.
Liagolas wrote:"Haven't you ever heard of political capital? Soft power? Reputation? Though the World Assembly may not compel compliance with resolutions, it would be untruthful to say there are no incentives to complying. Membership in and compliance with the World Assembly are rewarded with an invisible badge of honor - other World Assembly nations recognize a nation as being - to a certain extent - civil and just. That the nation guarantees similar rights and equality. The reputation gained provides diplomatic boons and enables a certain amount of trust.
"Should a nation be non-compliant with the resolutions, however, those benefits are lost," the Mouth says, and it shrugs. "Other member states would see the nation in an increasingly negative light, and then where would the nation be? Paying for an ambassador to talk about laws said nation doesn't comply with for no real gain?" The Mouth shakes its head before throwing said head back as it adds, "It is the belief of the Dominion that it is far more valuable to a World Assembly member to be compliant than not.
"While the World Assembly may not have an enforcement mechanism, that does not mean there is no point to its existence," the Mouth says. "It is the assertion of the Dominion that the diplomatic incentives for compliance ensure that the World Assembly still achieves its goal of 'improving the world one resolution at a time.'
"Now, is this foolproof?" the Mouth asks, spreading is arms wide apart. "Certainly not. Non-compliant nations exist. But it is good enough, and in the eyes of the Dominion, any benefits of a World Assembly police force are not worth the possibilities of abuse."
OOC: And, of course, the RP implications of World Assembly police.
by Excidium Planetis » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:17 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Prohibits any WA organizations or committees from enforcing WA compliance or taking action against WA members for any acts of non-compliance with WA resolutions.
OOC: since this basically makes the GA forum pointless, I'll have to oppose this. Compliance is the basis of our RP. Gutting that makes us little more organized than the II threads where you get a half dozen kids going "Nuh UH!" "Yuh HUH!" regarding thread rules. I really hope I'm reading it wrong.
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Bears Armed » Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:42 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:Prohibits any WA organizations or committees from enforcing WA compliance or taking action against WA members for any acts of non-compliance with WA resolutions.
OOC: since this basically makes the GA forum pointless, I'll have to oppose this. Compliance is the basis of our RP. Gutting that makes us little more organized than the II threads where you get a half dozen kids going "Nuh UH!" "Yuh HUH!" regarding thread rules. I really hope I'm reading it wrong.
OOC:
1) Enforcing compliance is already illegal by GA rules in Metagaming and WA Police.
2) Roleplayed non-compliance on the GA forum is already a thing.
3) As Liagolas pointed out ICly, even in the absence of enforcement, nations have strong IC reasons to comply.
4) If you take my other GA#2 replacement draft into consideration, not only are nations required to comply with GA resolutions, but non-compliance can actually serve as an excuse to attack other members. Sciongrad's Nuclear Defense draft also allows first strike nuclear attacks on non-complying nations, so if that passes that would be incentive enough to comply.
by We Couldnt Agree On A Name » Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:36 am
by Excidium Planetis » Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:05 am
Bears Armed wrote:"As written, wouldn't it even prevent the bringing of court cases to determine whether or not certain official actions-- or inactions, for that matter -- were compliant with another resolution? I strongly suggest adding "by any means other than through the law-courts" to the end of that clause..."
Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.
We Couldnt Agree On A Name wrote:Since when did this become a joke proposal?
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by We Couldnt Agree On A Name » Sat Apr 02, 2016 1:01 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:OOC: Whatever do you mean?
by Excidium Planetis » Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:54 pm
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by We Couldnt Agree On A Name » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:36 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:We Couldnt Agree On A Name wrote:OOC:the WA Friendship Force?
I know that can't be serious. You know that calling a police force something else won't change it's legality.
OOC: That's WA International Cooperation Force, and they aren't police in any capacity. They can't enforce laws, arrest people, or do anything normally associated with police activity.
by Excidium Planetis » Thu May 12, 2016 8:09 pm
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Excidium Planetis » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:45 pm
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
by Alozia » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:47 pm
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by Excidium Planetis » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:53 pm
Alozia wrote:Interesting
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:You didn't know about Excidium? The greatest space nomads in the NS multiverse with a healthy dose (read: over 9000 percent) of realism?
Saveyou Island wrote:"Warmest welcomes to the Assembly, ambassador. You'll soon learn to hate everyone here."
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Digital Network Defence is pretty meh
News: AI wins Dawn Fleet election for High Counselor.
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