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by Aurum Rider » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:32 pm
by ROM » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:37 pm
Aurum Rider wrote:There are 3 primary reasons why any scriptsmith making an update tool won't share it's source, legal or not:
1: If you are a raider, it is advantageous to have more advanced tech than the competition. Results bring in recruits, and unfortunately that has led to cheating. Losing the tool advantage means that there's little reason to join the big organizations outside of training, and having a group to consistently raid with.
2: The mass distribution of an advanced and easy to use update tool would completely annihilate any chances defenders had against tag raids because everyone and their dog would be raid-enabled, and tracking who's raiding what would become a complete nightmare.
3: If an open source tool is released, any and all holds any organization is holding comes under threat from a million angles. TBR and DEN are successful because natives don't have the know-how to attack their holds.
There's little problem with altering the request rate of open source tools (as if you make too many API or HTTP requests you get locked out anyway), but overall, releasing a tool of the likes of predator in open source format would benefit absolutely nobody but those who want to watch the R/D world implode in on itself.
by Aurum Rider » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:40 pm
by ROM » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:49 pm
Aurum Rider wrote:TL;DR The year is 20xx, everyone has access to a raiding tool that can give them update times accurate within 10 seconds, so waiting an update to raid your enemy's raid is now the only viable strategy. The R/D metagame is now completely based on pouring money into stamps and trying to convince people to endorse you instead of the other faction.
by The Silver Sentinel » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:53 pm
Aurum Rider wrote:The R/D metagame is now completely based on pouring money into stamps and trying to convince people to endorse you instead of the other faction.
by Aurum Rider » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:59 pm
by The Silver Sentinel » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:12 pm
Aurum Rider wrote:I'd like to take credit for the joke, but it's a smash bros joke. Although I find it funny that I managed to paint an image of pay2win nationstates
by Benevolent Thomas » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:57 pm
Ballotonia wrote:Personally, I think there's something seriously wrong with a game if it willfully allows the destruction of longtime player communities in favor of kids whose sole purpose is to enjoy ruining the game for others.
by Natapoc » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:34 pm
Aurum Rider wrote:There are 3 primary reasons why any scriptsmith making an update tool won't share it's source, legal or not:
1: If you are a raider, it is advantageous to have more advanced tech than the competition. Results bring in recruits, and unfortunately that has led to cheating. Losing the tool advantage means that there's little reason to join the big organizations outside of training, and having a group to consistently raid with.
2: The mass distribution of an advanced and easy to use update tool would completely annihilate any chances defenders had against tag raids because everyone and their dog would be raid-enabled, and tracking who's raiding what would become a complete nightmare. This sounds like an overwhelming advantage until you remember that it means raiders will be competing against eachother more than defenders.
3: If an open source tool is released, any and all holds any organization is holding comes under threat from a million angles. TBR and DEN are successful because natives don't have the know-how to attack their holds.
There's little problem with altering the request rate of open source tools (as if you make too many API or HTTP requests you get locked out anyway), but overall, releasing a tool of the likes of predator in open source format would benefit absolutely nobody but those who want to watch the R/D world implode in on itself.
by The Silver Sentinel » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:43 pm
Natapoc wrote:Aurum Rider wrote:There are 3 primary reasons why any scriptsmith making an update tool won't share it's source, legal or not:
1: If you are a raider, it is advantageous to have more advanced tech than the competition. Results bring in recruits, and unfortunately that has led to cheating. Losing the tool advantage means that there's little reason to join the big organizations outside of training, and having a group to consistently raid with.
2: The mass distribution of an advanced and easy to use update tool would completely annihilate any chances defenders had against tag raids because everyone and their dog would be raid-enabled, and tracking who's raiding what would become a complete nightmare. This sounds like an overwhelming advantage until you remember that it means raiders will be competing against eachother more than defenders.
3: If an open source tool is released, any and all holds any organization is holding comes under threat from a million angles. TBR and DEN are successful because natives don't have the know-how to attack their holds.
There's little problem with altering the request rate of open source tools (as if you make too many API or HTTP requests you get locked out anyway), but overall, releasing a tool of the likes of predator in open source format would benefit absolutely nobody but those who want to watch the R/D world implode in on itself.
So if I wrote a legal predator clone and open sourced it, I could end raiding forever? Do you promise?
by The old wildlife pen pal » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:20 pm
Aurum Rider wrote:TL;DR The year is 20xx, everyone has access to a raiding tool that can give them update times accurate within 10 seconds, so waiting an update to raid your enemy's raid is now the only viable strategy. The R/D metagame is now completely based on pouring money into stamps and trying to convince people to endorse you instead of the other faction.
by Aurum Rider » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:58 pm
Natapoc wrote:So if I wrote a legal predator clone and open sourced it, I could end raiding forever? Do you promise?
Aurum Rider wrote:TL;DR The year is 20xx, everyone has access to a raiding tool that can give them update times accurate within 10 seconds, so waiting an update to raid your enemy's raid is now the only viable strategy. The R/D metagame is now completely based on pouring money into stamps and trying to convince people to endorse you instead of the other faction.
by Jersey Republic » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:12 am
by Pierconium » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:19 am
Jersey Republic wrote:Den is so annoying, they treat the natives like filth and just boast about making someone spend an extra hour refounding a region. This is a game about ruling a nation after all
by ROM » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:38 am
Jersey Republic wrote:Den is so annoying, they treat the natives like filth and just boast about making someone spend an extra hour refounding a region. This is a game about ruling a nation after all
by Twelvsquare » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:43 am
by We Are Not the NSA » Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:55 am
Twelvsquare wrote:As a member of DEN, I can see through both sides. It is annoying how they boast about everything they do, and they really don't care about the new members. (I was following directions, but they decided to cry about something, I don't know.)
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by Jersey Republic » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:33 pm
by The Will of Kane » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:33 pm
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Twelvsquare wrote:As a member of DEN, I can see through both sides. It is annoying how they boast about everything they do, and they really don't care about the new members. (I was following directions, but they decided to cry about something, I don't know.)
What are you talking about?
by Aurum Rider » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:09 pm
The Will of Kane wrote:Genuine raiders of the current kind would become a minority.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:53 pm
The Blaatschapen wrote:Souseiseki wrote:I know it's far too early to be asking these kind of questions, but I'm going to do it anyway, do you have a rough idea how long it might take for the investigation to conclude?
I could give a date and time, but I'd be like the Windows File Copy Dialog.
So, no, not really.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Exxosia » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:55 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:Exxosia wrote:A report system that matches an IP address to a raider. So anyone making a nation with that IP will be labeled a raider. Then they have to get a special, direct permission from someone in the control branches of even an open region to move there once labeled.
Wouldn't work. IPs alone are extremely disposable.
And once again, how do you draw the line between a raid, an internal coup, an internal coup with external support, inter-regional politicking, a long-term sleeper operation, and so on?
by Reploid Productions » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:05 pm
Exxosia wrote:Reploid Productions wrote:Wouldn't work. IPs alone are extremely disposable.
And once again, how do you draw the line between a raid, an internal coup, an internal coup with external support, inter-regional politicking, a long-term sleeper operation, and so on?
You don't, those are all dick moves and get dealt with the same way.
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by The Will of Kane » Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:01 am
Exxosia wrote:Reploid Productions wrote:Wouldn't work. IPs alone are extremely disposable.
And once again, how do you draw the line between a raid, an internal coup, an internal coup with external support, inter-regional politicking, a long-term sleeper operation, and so on?
You don't, those are all dick moves and get dealt with the same way.
by Lyra and Bon Bon » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:52 am
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