by Sanctissima » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:10 pm
by The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:13 pm
by Sanctissima » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:21 pm
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:I recall one conversation on TV tropes about how if mortal humans saw god they would literally die. One user hearkened back to the incident in the Garden, and how humanity is unfit to perceive God (which borders on eldritch territory for some).
by Digital Planets » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:24 pm
by Narintia » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:26 pm
Digital Planets wrote:God exists. I met him in one of my LSD trips, but also because when some girl dressing skimpy says 'Only God can judge me', and you hear a booming voice in the air that says "YOU'RE A WHORE".
by Kyrinasaj » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:26 pm
by Digital Planets » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:29 pm
by Federation of Allied States » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:30 pm
by Sanctissima » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:31 pm
Kyrinasaj wrote:There is no certainty that there is a god, you can't prove his existence without resorting to faith or just ''believing in him'' and you can't disprove him either because then they will say the he exists beyond human knowledge or something similar.
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:32 pm
by Avendonia » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:33 pm
by Federation of Allied States » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:34 pm
Avendonia wrote:God exists. Certainly not in the Abrahamic sense, but in a much more abstract sense. One can see that this universe is alive. God, if anything, is that life, that logic to the universe. God may not have created the universe in the biblical sense, but some could argue that the big bang, evolution, et cetera, were influenced by divine hand. Just my religious, if unaffiliated two cents.
by Kyrinasaj » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:34 pm
Sanctissima wrote:Kyrinasaj wrote:There is no certainty that there is a god, you can't prove his existence without resorting to faith or just ''believing in him'' and you can't disprove him either because then they will say the he exists beyond human knowledge or something similar.
Eh, I think the lack of proof is proof in itself that there is no God.
Were there a single shred of evidence to suggest his existence, then things would be different, but given the total absence of it I think that's enough to tell us he doesn't exist.
by Sanctissima » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:37 pm
Kyrinasaj wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Eh, I think the lack of proof is proof in itself that there is no God.
Were there a single shred of evidence to suggest his existence, then things would be different, but given the total absence of it I think that's enough to tell us he doesn't exist.
Well, Christians would come up with the argument that he exists in another reality, they go so far as calling that ''Heaven'' and go so far too suggest that only the worthy get in.
Then again how do you disprove God?
Lack of evidence doesn't mean that it's impossible to exist, while I highly doubt that it would exist.
by Kyrinasaj » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:40 pm
Sanctissima wrote:Kyrinasaj wrote:Well, Christians would come up with the argument that he exists in another reality, they go so far as calling that ''Heaven'' and go so far too suggest that only the worthy get in.
Then again how do you disprove God?
Lack of evidence doesn't mean that it's impossible to exist, while I highly doubt that it would exist.
Oh, don't get me wrong, the possibility is always there. Anything is possible, really.
It's just that, given the lack of evidence, the probability of him existing is close to nil. So it's quite accurate to say that he does not exist.
by Risottia » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:41 pm
Avendonia wrote:God exists. Certainly not in the Abrahamic sense, but in a much more abstract sense. One can see that this universe is alive. God, if anything, is that life, that logic...
by Oldest Germany » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:42 pm
by Cetacea » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:46 pm
Sanctissima wrote:The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:I recall one conversation on TV tropes about how if mortal humans saw god they would literally die. One user hearkened back to the incident in the Garden, and how humanity is unfit to perceive God (which borders on eldritch territory for some).
Well, if that's the case, then the concept of the Trinity is wrong even from a theological standpoint. Because as I recall quite a few people saw Jesus, and spoke to him, and whatnot.
Unless him being in corporeal form somehow negates the whole dying by seeing him thing.
by Digital Planets » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:48 pm
Cetacea wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Well, if that's the case, then the concept of the Trinity is wrong even from a theological standpoint. Because as I recall quite a few people saw Jesus, and spoke to him, and whatnot.
Unless him being in corporeal form somehow negates the whole dying by seeing him thing.
Jesus was a Man - the Bible is quite explicit on that point,
but more importantly why is it that non-beleivers and atheist spend so much of their time and energy seeking to refute the existence of a being they insist does not exist? What is the fundamental motivation that causes such people to 'struggle with god' rather than with UFO's or Leprechauns? Is it rebellion of spirit against a divine tyrant or heavenly father?
by Godular » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:50 pm
by Sanctissima » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:51 pm
Kyrinasaj wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Oh, don't get me wrong, the possibility is always there. Anything is possible, really.
It's just that, given the lack of evidence, the probability of him existing is close to nil. So it's quite accurate to say that he does not exist.
I guess...That's one way to look at it. But I just don't see almost no evidence and no evidence at all as different things.
by Kyrinasaj » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:53 pm
Sanctissima wrote:Kyrinasaj wrote:I guess...That's one way to look at it. But I just don't see almost no evidence and no evidence at all as different things.
Eh, maybe one day some shred of evidence will come along suggesting that maybe God does exist. That is within the realm of possibility.
It's just that so far, we've found nothing. And I think that having nothing, after thousands of years of looking, is proof enough that he doesn't exist.
by Jumalariik » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:53 pm
by The Great Devourer of All » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:53 pm
Digital Planets wrote:God exists. I met him in one of my LSD trips, but also because when some girl dressing skimpy says 'Only God can judge me', and you hear a booming voice in the air that says "YOU'RE A WHORE".
Yymea wrote:We would definitely be scared of what is probably the most scary nation on NS :p
Multiversal Venn-Copard wrote:Actually fairly threatening by our standards. And this time we really mean "threatening". As in, "we'll actually need to escalate significantly to match their fleets."
Valkalan wrote:10/10 Profoundly evil. Some nations conqueror others for wealth and prestige, but the Devourer consumes civilization like a cancer consuming an unfortunate host.
The Speaker wrote:Intemperate in the sea from the roof, and leg All night, and he knows lots of reads from the unseen good old man of the mountain-DESTRUCTION
by United Marxist Nations » Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:53 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
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