[US Election 2016] Democratic Primary Megathread II

[Senkaku]

Of course.

I don't claim anyone is obligated to vote a certain way.

I do think, however, that if you respect what Sanders stands for, you should be at least willing to take his view on the matter into account.

I think his responsibilities as a politician are different than mine as a voter, so there's no reason why I should do the same thing he should do.

He has followers in swing states. He has enough influence to actually split the vote. I am in the bluest of blue states and have only one vote to cast. It is different.

"I have only one vote to cast" x 312 million = Obama just sitting there as his hair gets grayer going "wtf guys you said it would all be finally over"

[Alouite]

Ummm.... what?

Political protests and in some cases, failed uprisings did result in moderate reform.

Even then, the Arab Spring refers to the successful uprisings, the ones that shattered most of the countries they occurred in sending them into an even worse condition than they were in prior.

[Kelinfort]

Which lead to moderate reforms.

You never qualified your statement otherwise.

Algeria? Improved? No. They are funding radical terrorists in the western sahara.

Morocco passed a Constitutional Reform, but the Arab Spring had little impact on that. The King was planning to get to that eventually.

And how did it change Jordan?

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/n ... odels.html

[Alouite]

At least there's be hope for a brighter future in Syria, join the Kurdish forces and enjoy fighting ISIS. In Trumpistan we'd have Nazi-esque regulations and perhaps even concentration camps.

You could be part of the resistance in Trumpreich.

True.

[Senkaku]

I am going to quietly slip out of this thread since it's moving too fast for me to keep up with.

My likely ADHD does not help with this.

I am as well, since I have homework and sleeping I should be doing.

Enjoy talking to Internet strangers about politics, y'all.

[Faustian Fantasies]

We should give Sanders credit for not making this electoral cycle a coronation of Hilary Rodham Clinton.

Fuck yeah! This isn't a monarchy! No coronations!

+1, because thats cool

[Eol Sha]

At least there's be hope for a brighter future in Syria, join the Kurdish forces and enjoy fighting ISIS. In Trumpistan we'd have Nazi-esque regulations and perhaps even concentration camps.

You could be part of the resistance in Trumpreich.

I'm more of a Rebellion man, myself. I serve under Commander Skywalker all day, every day.

[The Orson Empire]

You could be part of the resistance in Trumpreich.

I'm more of a Rebellion man, myself. I serve under Commander Skywalker all day, every day.

Going up against the most powerful military on Earth doesn't sound appealing to me.

[Kelinfort]

Political protests and in some cases, failed uprisings did result in moderate reform.

Even then, the Arab Spring refers to the successful uprisings, the ones that shattered most of the countries they occurred in sending them into an even worse condition than they were in prior.

No, it doesn't

a series of antigovernment uprisings affecting Arab countries of North Africa and the Middle East beginning in 2010.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Arab%20Spring

Don't shift the goalposts.

[Faustian Fantasies]

Even then, the Arab Spring refers to the successful uprisings, the ones that shattered most of the countries they occurred in sending them into an even worse condition than they were in prior.

No, it doesn't

a series of antigovernment uprisings affecting Arab countries of North Africa and the Middle East beginning in 2010.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Arab%20Spring

Don't shift the goalposts.

but if we're real the Arab Spring is really pro-islamist extremist (not mentioning moderate as a whole)

[Eol Sha]

I'm more of a Rebellion man, myself. I serve under Commander Skywalker all day, every day.

Going up against the most powerful military on Earth doesn't sound appealing to me.

But who won? Who won? Commander Skywalker and General Solo! That's who won!

[Kelinfort]

No, it doesn't


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Arab%20Spring

Don't shift the goalposts.

but if we're real the Arab Spring is really pro-islamist extremist (not mentioning moderate as a whole)

Islamists supported various uprisings. That doesn't make the Arab Spring pro Islamic extremism.

[Alouite]

Algeria? Improved? No. They are funding radical terrorists in the western sahara.

Morocco passed a Constitutional Reform, but the Arab Spring had little impact on that. The King was planning to get to that eventually.

And how did it change Jordan?

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/n ... odels.html

I'll buy that bit in Jordan, but Morocco's Parliament was formed in 1996, not in 2011, and while the constitution was updated, mostly to refine certain argued provisions, but the king still has the power to suspend parliament and appoint a new prime minister at any time. So yeah. The Arab spring's failure in Jordan helped out the Jordanians and it's success led to a relatively stable Tunisia, but if you look at Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Libya, you see a bigger picture, which is that overall the Arab Spring failed. And the spring in Bahrain led to a massacre and even more authoritarian policy.

[Faustian Fantasies]

but if we're real the Arab Spring is really pro-islamist extremist (not mentioning moderate as a whole)

Islamists supported various uprisings. That doesn't make the Arab Spring pro Islamic extremism.

yeah, but out of everybody, they benefited the most.

[Kelinfort]

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/n ... odels.html

I'll buy that bit in Jordan, but Morocco's Parliament was formed in 1996, not in 2011, and while the constitution was updated, mostly to refine certain argued provisions, but the king still has the power to suspend parliament and appoint a new prime minister at any time. So yeah. The Arab spring's failure in Jordan helped out the Jordanians and it's success led to a relatively stable Tunisia, but if you look at Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Libya, you see a bigger picture, which is that overall the Arab Spring failed. And the spring in Bahrain led to a massacre and even more authoritarian policy.

Look, my point is the Arab Spring wasn't a total failure and there was a lot of hope at the beginning that the Mid East might change.

You can't fault people for being optimistic.

[Alouite]

Even then, the Arab Spring refers to the successful uprisings, the ones that shattered most of the countries they occurred in sending them into an even worse condition than they were in prior.

No, it doesn't

a series of antigovernment uprisings affecting Arab countries of North Africa and the Middle East beginning in 2010.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Arab%20Spring

Don't shift the goalposts.

I was under the impression that was what it referred to then. You are very passive aggressive, has anyone told you that before?

[Kelinfort]

Islamists supported various uprisings. That doesn't make the Arab Spring pro Islamic extremism.

yeah, but out of everybody, they benefited the most.

Much in the same way revolutionary socialists benefitted the most from the 1848 revolutions.

[Alouite]

I'll buy that bit in Jordan, but Morocco's Parliament was formed in 1996, not in 2011, and while the constitution was updated, mostly to refine certain argued provisions, but the king still has the power to suspend parliament and appoint a new prime minister at any time. So yeah. The Arab spring's failure in Jordan helped out the Jordanians and it's success led to a relatively stable Tunisia, but if you look at Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Libya, you see a bigger picture, which is that overall the Arab Spring failed. And the spring in Bahrain led to a massacre and even more authoritarian policy.

Look, my point is the Arab Spring wasn't a total failure and there was a lot of hope at the beginning that the Mid East might change.

You can't fault people for being optimistic.

What are you talking about? I never said it was a complete failure, it just was mostly a complete failure. And I'm not faulting anyone for being optimistic, but blind optimism can be damaging as was seen here for the most part.

[Faustian Fantasies]

yeah, but out of everybody, they benefited the most.

Much in the same way revolutionary socialists benefitted the most from the 1848 revolutions.

I don't get your analogy, sorry.

[Kelinfort]

No, it doesn't


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Arab%20Spring

Don't shift the goalposts.

I was under the impression that was what it referred to then. You are very passive aggressive, has anyone told you that before?

This is an Internet forum. I apologize for not being nicer. I don't have the luxury of meeting nice people online and all too often I encounter idiots and trolls. If I strike you as passive aggressive, I'll tone it down.

[Kelinfort]

Much in the same way revolutionary socialists benefitted the most from the 1848 revolutions.

I don't get your analogy, sorry.

Europe was embroiled in popular revolts during 1848, and it almost eerily mirrors the Arab Spring.

[Faustian Fantasies]

I don't get your analogy, sorry.

Europe was embroiled in popular revolts during 1848, and it almost eerily mirrors the Arab Spring.

I remember. I remember Marx writing the manifesto preceding socialist revolutions. But I'm cognizant of your point.

[Alouite]

Well, I'm gonna sleep now. Good night everyone.

[Farnhamia]

Well, I'm gonna sleep now. Good night everyone.

*summons Guards* Put that one to bed.

[Tahar Joblis]

Hillary Clinton flip-flopping is part of what makes people uneasy about trusting her. Some politicians have more consistent records, some have less consistent records.

It's not a problem unique to Hillary Clinton. Bill Clinton was accused of much the same thing. The Clintons have a well-deserved reputation for being very pragmatic politicians who change their positions on major issues. Bernie Sanders comes off as a very consistent politician. Ted Cruz does as well. People have a lot of confidence in knowing what Sanders or Cruz will try to do once put in the White House.

>Cruz
>consistent
>kekekekekekek

I'll quote a widely referenced quote:

“He's not someone who shifts in the wind,” Panton says. “The Ted Cruz that I knew at 17 years old is exactly the same as the Ted Cruz I know at 42 years old. He was very conservative then, and an outspoken conservative. He remains strongly conservative today."

Cruz has a reputation for being consistent. He ran for Senate promising not to make friends in Washington; now he's being accused of having no friends in the entire Senate. Now, does this mean he really is consistent? Or does he just generate the illusion of consistency better than most politicians? Either way, the man comes across as a consistent quantity.

And so does Sanders. That image of consistency is what's kept Sanders alive in the polls.