The Christian Discussion Thread VI

[Grand Calvert]

Two.

*Raises other hand*

So you're double the non-Catholic?

[Centuran Republic]

Lol. Anyway! Balancing the Christian diversity!

Hmmmm...okay. Raise your hand if you're NOT Catholic.

*is unsure if he should raise his hand because Anglo-Catholic but not Roman Catholic*

*is unsure if he should raise his hand because converting to High Church Anglicanism and Anglicanism is Catholic, but not Catholic as in Roman Catholic*

[Diopolis]

*is unsure if he should raise his hand because Anglo-Catholic but not Roman Catholic*

*is unsure if he should raise his hand because converting to High Church Anglicanism and Anglicanism is Catholic, but not Catholic as in Roman Catholic*

Both yall raise your hands.

[Centuran Republic]

*is unsure if he should raise his hand because converting to High Church Anglicanism and Anglicanism is Catholic, but not Catholic as in Roman Catholic*

Both yall raise your hands.

[Salus Maior]

*Raises other hand*

So you're double the non-Catholic?

Yes.

[Luminesa]

Both yall raise your hands.

Three!

[Centuran Republic]

Very recently I've come to believe in Intercession of the Saints, and Prayer for the Dead.

[Cill Airne]

*is unsure if he should raise his hand because converting to High Church Anglicanism and Anglicanism is Catholic, but not Catholic as in Roman Catholic*

Both yall raise your hands.

Now, Lumi said raise your hand if you're not Catholic. I am Catholic, and I identify as Catholic, just not Roman Catholic. So is it raise your hand if you're not Roman Catholic, or is it raise your hand if you're not Catholic? If the latter, I wouldn't raise my hand.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I used to drink Diet Dr Pepper like it was the fountain of youth. I'm trying to drastically reduce my consumption.

I only drank soda a few times in my life. Never liked the taste of carbon so I avoid it like poison.

Carbon actually happens to be the source of life

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Wow, so rare, so beautiful.

Not rare in USA.

A religion that is basically a modern form of Taoism without the metaphysical. The name comes from the film "The Big Lebowski"

Most Dudeists don't care about immortality that much.

I actually find comfort in annihilation theory

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Both yall raise your hands.

Now, Lumi said raise your hand if you're not Catholic. I am Catholic, and I identify as Catholic, just not Roman Catholic. So is it raise your hand if you're not Roman Catholic, or is it raise your hand if you're not Catholic? If the latter, I wouldn't raise my hand.

I'd say you're little c

[Southern Knight]

I'm a non-denominational Christian.

[Athartha]

Easter Sunday is my last Sunday serving as a priest in the Roman Catholic Church. 'Tis bittersweet.

Now, Lumi said raise your hand if you're not Catholic. I am Catholic, and I identify as Catholic, just not Roman Catholic. So is it raise your hand if you're not Roman Catholic, or is it raise your hand if you're not Catholic? If the latter, I wouldn't raise my hand.

I'd say you're little c

Anglo-Catholics consider themselves to be a part of Catholicism (big C Catholicism), because of their practices and traditions, but are not a part of the Roman Catholic Church due to several disagreeances. Interestingly, something like 45-50% of Anglicans, depending where at in the world, will put Catholic down on questionnaires that ask "Are you Catholic or Protestant". Bear in mind, early Anglicanism considered itself a correction of what was considered wrong with the Roman Catholic Church at the time, and Anglo-Catholics continue that tradition. In regards to Anglo-Catholic, even the Roman Catholic Church states it is "big C catholic" - but not in good standing and ultimately incorrect, but they are considered big C, and Anglicans of course also consider themselves the small c catholic as well.

[Diopolis]

Easter Sunday is my last Sunday serving as a priest in the Roman Catholic Church. 'Tis bittersweet.

I'd say you're little c

Anglo-Catholics consider themselves to be a part of Catholicism (big C Catholicism), because of their practices and traditions, but are not a part of the Roman Catholic Church due to several disagreeances. Interestingly, something like 45-50% of Anglicans, depending where at in the world, will put Catholic down on questionnaires that ask "Are you Catholic or Protestant". Bear in mind, early Anglicanism considered itself a correction of what was considered wrong with the Roman Catholic Church at the time, and Anglo-Catholics continue that tradition. In regards to Anglo-Catholic, even the Roman Catholic Church states it is "big C catholic" - but not in good standing and ultimately incorrect, but they are considered big C, and Anglicans of course also consider themselves the small c catholic as well.

And big-C Catholicism is distinguished not by it's rites and practices but by it's submission to the pope. Otherwise only Roman-rite Catholics would be considered Catholics.

[Athartha]

Easter Sunday is my last Sunday serving as a priest in the Roman Catholic Church. 'Tis bittersweet.


Anglo-Catholics consider themselves to be a part of Catholicism (big C Catholicism), because of their practices and traditions, but are not a part of the Roman Catholic Church due to several disagreeances. Interestingly, something like 45-50% of Anglicans, depending where at in the world, will put Catholic down on questionnaires that ask "Are you Catholic or Protestant". Bear in mind, early Anglicanism considered itself a correction of what was considered wrong with the Roman Catholic Church at the time, and Anglo-Catholics continue that tradition. In regards to Anglo-Catholic, even the Roman Catholic Church states it is "big C catholic" - but not in good standing and ultimately incorrect, but they are considered big C, and Anglicans of course also consider themselves the small c catholic as well.

And big-C Catholicism is distinguished not by it's rites and practices but by it's submission to the pope. Otherwise only Roman Catholics would be considered Catholics.

Theologians would disagree with you, I'm afraid. "Big C" Catholicism is defined as "specific traditions in the Christian churches in theology, doctrine, liturgy, ethics, and spirituality" - and regardless of Protestant or Roman Catholic, any Theology course would define it as such. Because Anglo-Catholics share in this theology, doctrine, liturgy, ethics and spirituality enough, the Roman Catholic Church considers them Catholic, despite some of the very blatant differences. I was taught this in Seminary long before the "Anglican Use" came into being, long before the RCC began to work more towards unity between the two - if that was the definition then, I doubt it has changed any now that there are so many efforts for unity within the Church. Now, since the Anglican Use became a thing, many Priests who do missionary work have received training on approaching Anglicans, but Anglo-Catholicism is a separate "training". Why? Because Anglo-Catholics consider themselves, often times, to be better Catholics than Roman Catholics. Anglicans also consider themselves catholic, whilst many Anglicans (not just Anglo-Catholics, but especially Anglo-Catholics) consider themselves Catholic. And this boils down to the shared theology, doctrines, liturgy, ethics and spirituality of the two Churches. This is why I have always opposed the use of calling oneself a Catholic and not specifically a Roman Catholic, because other churches use the title Catholic (and catholic) and are justified in doing so, even to the point that the Roman Catholic Church agrees. Anglo-Catholicism's position on the Papacy is not considered a large enough difference doctrinally for them to not be Catholics, if that was the case other churches in communion with Rome would not be Catholic since many Eastern Catholics do not agree with Papal Primacy as well.

[Tsalkha]

And big-C Catholicism is distinguished not by it's rites and practices but by it's submission to the pope. Otherwise only Roman Catholics would be considered Catholics.

Theologians would disagree with you, I'm afraid. "Big C" Catholicism is defined as "specific traditions in the Christian churches in theology, doctrine, liturgy, ethics, and spirituality" - and regardless of Protestant or Roman Catholic, any Theology course would define it as such. Because Anglo-Catholics share in this theology, doctrine, liturgy, ethics and spirituality enough, the Roman Catholic Church considers them Catholic, despite some of the very blatant differences. I was taught this in Seminary long before the "Anglican Use" came into being, long before the RCC began to work more towards unity between the two - if that was the definition then, I doubt it has changed any now that there are so many efforts for unity within the Church. Now, since the Anglican Use became a thing, many Priests who do missionary work have received training on approaching Anglicans, but Anglo-Catholicism is a separate "training". Why? Because Anglo-Catholics consider themselves, often times, to be better Catholics than Roman Catholics. Anglicans also consider themselves catholic, whilst many Anglicans (not just Anglo-Catholics, but especially Anglo-Catholics) consider themselves Catholic. And this boils down to the shared theology, doctrines, liturgy, ethics and spirituality of the two Churches. This is why I have always opposed the use of calling oneself a Catholic and not specifically a Roman Catholic, because other churches use the title Catholic (and catholic) and are justified in doing so, even to the point that the Roman Catholic Church agrees. Anglo-Catholicism's position on the Papacy is not considered a large enough difference doctrinally for them to not be Catholics, if that was the case other churches in communion with Rome would not be Catholic since many Eastern Catholics do not agree with Papal Primacy as well.

It also isn't just Anglicans who claim to be Catholic as well, (we) Eastern Orthodox Christians also claim to be the Catholic church. The Roman Catholic Church has competition for being the Catholic Church too.

[Salus Maior]

And big-C Catholicism is distinguished not by it's rites and practices but by it's submission to the pope. Otherwise only Roman-rite Catholics would be considered Catholics.

Catholics who submit to the Pope are already identified by the adjective Roman.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

And big-C Catholicism is distinguished not by it's rites and practices but by it's submission to the pope. Otherwise only Roman-rite Catholics would be considered Catholics.

Catholics who submit to the Pope are already identified by the adjective Roman.

And there was a great cry thoughout Christendom, as eastern Rite Catholics rose up and cast Salus Major into the pit of despair.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Easter Sunday is my last Sunday serving as a priest in the Roman Catholic Church. 'Tis bittersweet.


Anglo-Catholics consider themselves to be a part of Catholicism (big C Catholicism), because of their practices and traditions, but are not a part of the Roman Catholic Church due to several disagreeances. Interestingly, something like 45-50% of Anglicans, depending where at in the world, will put Catholic down on questionnaires that ask "Are you Catholic or Protestant". Bear in mind, early Anglicanism considered itself a correction of what was considered wrong with the Roman Catholic Church at the time, and Anglo-Catholics continue that tradition. In regards to Anglo-Catholic, even the Roman Catholic Church states it is "big C catholic" - but not in good standing and ultimately incorrect, but they are considered big C, and Anglicans of course also consider themselves the small c catholic as well.

And big-C Catholicism is distinguished not by it's rites and practices but by it's submission to the pope. Otherwise only Roman-rite Catholics would be considered Catholics.

Wait what's a Latin rite then?

[Salus Maior]

Catholics who submit to the Pope are already identified by the adjective Roman.

And there was a great cry thoughout Christendom, as eastern Rite Catholics rose up and cast Salus Major into the pit of despair.

*As Salus falls into the pit* Oh yeah, sorry I forgot you guys......

Wait, would practicing a different rite equal being outside a single Church?

[Coulee Croche]

And there was a great cry thoughout Christendom, as eastern Rite Catholics rose up and cast Salus Major into the pit of despair.

*As Salus falls into the pit* Oh yeah, sorry I forgot you guys......

Wait, would practicing a different rite equal being outside a single Church?

Ehh.. Well they are in the Catholic Church, however, they have their own traditions and their own Catechisms and Canon Law. But at the same time, there were Councils by the Catholic Church that only dealt with Latin problems, which is why they didnt really participate. Roman=Latin and we arent just the Latin Rite. Its only in the English Language where it is refered to as Roman Catholic.

[Cill Airne]

*As Salus falls into the pit* Oh yeah, sorry I forgot you guys......

Wait, would practicing a different rite equal being outside a single Church?

Ehh.. Well they are in the Catholic Church, however, they have their own traditions and their own Catechisms and Canon Law. But at the same time, there were Councils by the Catholic Church that only dealt with Latin problems, which is why they didnt really participate. Roman=Latin and we arent just the Latin Rite. Its only in the English Language where it is refered to as Roman Catholic.

This isn't technically correct. Roman Catholic does not correlate to the Latin Rite. Further, documents published by Church Officials have used the term Roman Catholic Church (although simply "Catholic Church" is far more common). Also, in 1908, Pope Pius X's Catechism states the usage of "Roman" is used to differentiate it from other churches not in Communion with the Holy See - this specifically means it is used not just for the Latin Rite, but the entire Church itself. Not to mention the Eastern Rite churches that use Roman Catholic in their names. An example of this that I can think of at this time is St. Anthony's Maronite Roman Catholic Church, an Eastern Rite Church, that uses the term Roman Catholic. Another example is Our Lady of Lebanon Maronite Roman Catholic Church. If Roman Catholic directly correlated with Latin Rite, none of these previous things would have ever occurred.

Also, for your last statement, that English is the only language in which the Church is called the Roman Catholic Church, that is also not correct. The name in German is Römisch-katholische Kirche, which is used more commonly in official and academic writing than katholische Kirche in my experience. The French Name, officially, is Église catholique, apostolique et romaine though Église catholique is common. The name in Hungarian is Római katolikus egyház, the name in Dutch is Rooms-katholieke Kerk, the name in Irish is Eaglais Chaitliceach Rómhánach, the name in Korean is 로마 가톨릭교회 (loma gatolliggyohoe), and the name in Swedish is Romersk-katolska kyrkan. Just like in English, it is very common to call it the Catholic Church, but English is certainly not unique in calling it the Roman Catholic Church as well.

[Luminesa]

And there was a great cry thoughout Christendom, as eastern Rite Catholics rose up and cast Salus Major into the pit of despair.

*As Salus falls into the pit* Oh yeah, sorry I forgot you guys......

Wait, would practicing a different rite equal being outside a single Church?

*Drops a rope for Salus.*

No, there are 21 rites in the Catholic Church. Now get up here!

[Laodiceia]

Ehh.. Well they are in the Catholic Church, however, they have their own traditions and their own Catechisms and Canon Law. But at the same time, there were Councils by the Catholic Church that only dealt with Latin problems, which is why they didnt really participate. Roman=Latin and we arent just the Latin Rite. Its only in the English Language where it is refered to as Roman Catholic.

This isn't technically correct. Roman Catholic does not correlate to the Latin Rite. Further, documents published by Church Officials have used the term Roman Catholic Church (although simply "Catholic Church" is far more common). Also, in 1908, Pope Pius X's Catechism states the usage of "Roman" is used to differentiate it from other churches not in Communion with the Holy See - this specifically means it is used not just for the Latin Rite, but the entire Church itself. Not to mention the Eastern Rite churches that use Roman Catholic in their names. An example of this that I can think of at this time is St. Anthony's Maronite Roman Catholic Church, an Eastern Rite Church, that uses the term Roman Catholic. Another example is Our Lady of Lebanon Maronite Roman Catholic Church. If Roman Catholic directly correlated with Latin Rite, none of these previous things would have ever occurred.

Also, for your last statement, that English is the only language in which the Church is called the Roman Catholic Church, that is also not correct. The name in German is Römisch-katholische Kirche, which is used more commonly in official and academic writing than katholische Kirche in my experience. The French Name, officially, is Église catholique, apostolique et romaine though Église catholique is common. The name in Hungarian is Római katolikus egyház, the name in Dutch is Rooms-katholieke Kerk, the name in Irish is Eaglais Chaitliceach Rómhánach, the name in Korean is 로마 가톨릭교회 (loma gatolliggyohoe), and the name in Swedish is Romersk-katolska kyrkan. Just like in English, it is very common to call it the Catholic Church, but English is certainly not unique in calling it the Roman Catholic Church as well.

As a Greek Byzantine Rite Catholic, I identify as Roman Catholic in both English and Greek... So it's not Latin Rite or just an English thing.

[Luminesa]

Both yall raise your hands.

Now, Lumi said raise your hand if you're not Catholic. I am Catholic, and I identify as Catholic, just not Roman Catholic. So is it raise your hand if you're not Roman Catholic, or is it raise your hand if you're not Catholic? If the latter, I wouldn't raise my hand.

*Head explodes.*
*Lumi flops.*
*Lumi bleeds rainbows.*
*Help.*