The Twenty-first Reich wrote:For people yabbering on about democracy, a referendum is undemocratic.
Perhaps you can explain to the class how giving the people a say in their future isn't democratic.
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by Vassenor » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:27 am
The Twenty-first Reich wrote:For people yabbering on about democracy, a referendum is undemocratic.
by Great Britain Out » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:27 am
by Mordakia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:28 am
Narintia wrote:I'm Estonian and I was born in the UK, so the memory is a little fazy- but last time we was in a Union 100 million people died.
So, yeah I'm voting to leave.
by The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:28 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Ifreann wrote:Maybe we should have a referendum on whether the topic of the referendum should leave the megathread or remain in it.
That would suggest that this is a democracy, instead of an insidious social experiment under my Machiavellian control.
<strokes fluffy white cat>
<cackles maniacally>
by Narintia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:28 am
by The Archregimancy » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:29 am
by Alyakia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:30 am
Densaner wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
Perhaps you should talk to Ms Sturgeon and Mr Salmond about that; they don't seem to entirely agree.
Well I would to hear the legal basis of their argument. The U.K. Is one whole electorate during a referendum. How this part or another part votes is neither here nor there.
by Chartist Socialist Republics » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:31 am
by Alyakia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:31 am
The Archregimancy wrote:
I'm rather more interested in what happens in the hypothetical scenario where England narrowly votes to leave, but (assuming, for the sake of argument, a roughly 50/50 split in NI) the UK as a whole votes to stay on the back of strong Scottish and Welsh support for the EU.
Or perhaps London, Scotland, and Wales vote to stay, and thereby keep England in despite England outside of London voting to leave.
by Densaner » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:31 am
The Archregimancy wrote:
I'm rather more interested in what happens in the hypothetical scenario where England narrowly votes to leave, but (assuming, for the sake of argument, a roughly 50/50 split in NI) the UK as a whole votes to stay on the back of strong Scottish and Welsh support for the EU.
Or perhaps London, Scotland, and Wales vote to stay, and thereby keep England in despite England outside of London voting to leave.
by Baltenstein » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:31 am
by Densaner » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:32 am
Alyakia wrote:Densaner wrote:
Well I would to hear the legal basis of their argument. The U.K. Is one whole electorate during a referendum. How this part or another part votes is neither here nor there.
the basis is that maybe it would be better if the UK wasn't one whole electorate during a refendum
if the majority want a referendum then not giving one is just going to push people even further towards the idea of independence
by The Twenty-first Reich » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:32 am
by Mordakia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:32 am
by Alyakia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:33 am
by Great Britain Out » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:33 am
The Archregimancy wrote:
I'm rather more interested in what happens in the hypothetical scenario where England narrowly votes to leave, but (assuming, for the sake of argument, a roughly 50/50 split in NI) the UK as a whole votes to stay on the back of strong Scottish and Welsh support for the EU.
Or perhaps London, Scotland, and Wales vote to stay, and thereby keep England in despite England outside of London voting to leave.
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:33 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Alyakia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:34 am
Densaner wrote:Alyakia wrote:
the basis is that maybe it would be better if the UK wasn't one whole electorate during a refendum
if the majority want a referendum then not giving one is just going to push people even further towards the idea of independence
The U.K. Remains a unitary state. It's the UK that's a member of the EU, not Scotland.
by Baltenstein » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:34 am
The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:Aren't the Scottish more pro-EU than the English? Wonder what'll happen if the majority of Scotland votes to stay and the majority of England to leave.
by Alyakia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:34 am
by Imperializt Russia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:34 am
Great Britain Out wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
I'm rather more interested in what happens in the hypothetical scenario where England narrowly votes to leave, but (assuming, for the sake of argument, a roughly 50/50 split in NI) the UK as a whole votes to stay on the back of strong Scottish and Welsh support for the EU.
Or perhaps London, Scotland, and Wales vote to stay, and thereby keep England in despite England outside of London voting to leave.
That's presuming that Scotland, Wales and London mostly vote to stay in. Welsh and Scottish and London voters are waking up to the fact that it is not good for them or the rest of the country to stay in the EU. I think we'll see a lot more Scottish and Welsh and London voters voting to leave than people think.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Alyakia » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:34 am
by Densaner » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:35 am
The Twenty-first Reich wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Perhaps you can explain to the class how giving the people a say in their future isn't democratic.
People have elected QUALIFIED REPRESENTATIVES to represent them. That IS democracy.
To return the questions those representatives have been trained and elected to deal with BACK to the people is idiotic. The average Brit has proven absolutely incapable of making an informed or rational decision on this matter and all others in referendums.
It's undemocratic.
by Chartist Socialist Republics » Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:35 am
The Twenty-first Reich wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Perhaps you can explain to the class how giving the people a say in their future isn't democratic.
People have elected QUALIFIED REPRESENTATIVES to represent them. That IS democracy.
To return the questions those representatives have been trained and elected to deal with BACK to the people is idiotic. The average Brit has proven absolutely incapable of making an informed or rational decision on this matter and all others in referendums.
It's undemocratic.
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