[TWI ONLY] The Senate of the Western Isles

[Doppler]

I would like to mention something regarding the 24 hour voting time period. You may have seen me talking about this on the RMB but I am here formerly to tell you to use the 24 hour time period until all votes from all 5 senators are lodged. I am happy with the rate that this is going at but I feel like things are being rushed. I do not wanna take away Dashgrinaars power of Speaker Pro Tempor and have to enforce the 24 voting period myself. I fully understand that even if it is majority rule you still must wait until that 5th senator votes. He may even want to voice his opinion on the amendment at hand.

[Dashgrinaar]

Ok, I understand the point, but look to Senatorial Procedures Act, 2016. It is outlined that we do not have to wait. But for the sake of large topics like this, I will respect the 24 hour period. Hopefully.

[Doppler]

Ok, I understand the point, but look to Senatorial Procedures Act, 2016. It is outlined that we do not have to wait. But for the sake of large topics like this, I will respect the 24 hour period. Hopefully.

I do realize that Verdon has been absent for a while and I do understand the Senatorial Procedures Act, 2016 and that you dont have to wait. But be patient. He may just come back at a random time.

[Dashgrinaar]

He actually posted an opinion today, you would see it if you went back a page or two and read onwards.

[Vancouvia]

There is no rule against overlapping votes is there? We can vote and then move on to another discussion but keep the voting period still open

[Dashgrinaar]

There is no rule against overlapping votes is there? We can vote and then move on to another discussion but keep the voting period still open

Ok, sure

[Doppler]

There is no rule against overlapping votes is there? We can vote and then move on to another discussion but keep the voting period still open

Yes but do not move to vote until the first voting period is closed.

[Ventlimer]

If allowed, Iwill withdraw Boundaries Act 2016. If not, I motion to vote.

[Vancouvia]

If allowed, Iwill withdraw Boundaries Act 2016. If not, I motion to vote.

Yes you can withdraw your own stuff

[Vancouvia]

Senate Procedure and Conduct

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A law to establish a final standard procedure for the Senate

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Repeal

(1) Repeals "Senatorial Procedures Act"

Definitions

(1) Defines "legislation" for the purposes of this law as a law or amendment.

Posting

(1) Legislation should be created and submitted to the Senate in the same form and style as this law.

Procedure

(1) Legislation which is posted to the Senate thread shall be reviewed and debated chronologically, with the least recent legislation debated first. Legislation shall be debated one at a time; the Senate shall not move on to new legislation before either (a) the author resigns it from the Senate or (b) a Senate vote has begun. The legislation's format, suitability, merit, and other matters can all be discussed concurrently, and Senators and others may offer suggestions to the legislation that the author may choose to utilize or not.

(2) After at least 24 hours after the debate began (the time at which a Senator first posted debate on the legislation), a Senator can motion for the debate to conclude and move to vote. If this motion receives at least as many seconds as a third of the current Senators (the motioning Senator counts as a second), then the motion will have carried and the voting period will begin immediately.

(3) The voting period shall last until either all the Senators have cast their vote (including votes to abstain), or 48 hours have passed since the motion to vote carried. At the conclusion of the voting period, the votes shall be tallied and displayed publicly, communicated to the Secretary of Information, and the legislation enacted if a vote received sufficient "Yes" votes.

Clarifications and Miscellaneous

(1) Senators may not vote to "dismiss" legislation, nor any similar action which would prevent the legislation from receiving a Senate vote.

(2) If a debate is currently being undergone, Senators should ideally refrain from motioning to end the debate and move to vote, instead waiting until there is a general consensus of the debate being concluded.

(3) The Senator who casts the final second which carries the motion to vote shall also announce this fact so that all Senators are aware that the voting period has begun.

(4) As soon as a voting period has started, Senators may move to debate on the next legislation in line, concurrently casting their votes while beginning the new debate. Only debate on one piece of legislation should be undergone at a time.

(5) It is strongly encouraged to repeal passed legislation and install new legislation rather than amend passed legislation.

[Great-Imperialonia]

Senate Procedure and Conduct

---

A law to establish a final standard procedure for the Senate

---

Repeal

(1) Repeals "Senatorial Procedures Act"

Definitions

(1) Defines "legislation" for the purposes of this law as a law or amendment.

Posting

(1) Legislation should be created and submitted to the Senate in the same form and style as this law.

Procedure

(1) Legislation which is posted to the Senate thread shall be reviewed and debated chronologically, with the least recent legislation debated first. Legislation shall be debated one at a time; the Senate shall not move on to new legislation before either (a) the author resigns it from the Senate or (b) a Senate vote has begun. The legislation's format, suitability, merit, and other matters can all be discussed concurrently, and Senators and others may offer suggestions to the legislation that the author may choose to utilize or not.

(2) After at least 24 hours after the debate began (the time at which a Senator first posted debate on the legislation), a Senator can motion for the debate to conclude and move to vote. If this motion receives at least as many seconds as a third of the current Senators (the motioning Senator counts as a second), then the motion will have carried and the voting period will begin immediately.

(3) The voting period shall last until either all the Senators have cast their vote (including votes to abstain), or 48 hours have passed since the motion to vote carried. At the conclusion of the voting period, the votes shall be tallied and displayed publicly, communicated to the Secretary of Information, and the legislation enacted if a vote received sufficient "Yes" votes.

Clarifications and Miscellaneous

(1) Senators may not vote to "dismiss" legislation, nor any similar action which would prevent the legislation from receiving a Senate vote.

(2) If a debate is currently being undergone, Senators should ideally refrain from motioning to end the debate and move to vote, instead waiting until there is a general consensus of the debate being concluded.

(3) The Senator who casts the final second which carries the motion to vote shall also announce this fact so that all Senators are aware that the voting period has begun.

(4) As soon as a voting period has started, Senators may move to debate on the next legislation in line, concurrently casting their votes while beginning the new debate. Only debate on one piece of legislation should be undergone at a time.

(5) It is strongly encouraged to repeal passed legislation and install new legislation rather than amend passed legislation.

I second law and think this will improve the order in the Senate and make sure everything is clear, especially with the number of Senators increasing.

[Ventlimer]

"Announcing the fact"

Do you mean by telegram, RMB, or otherwise because we already announce it by saying it here.

Also, I think that allowing debate during the voting period would be confusing and maybe have votes lost. As has been made abundantly clear to me, the Senate isn't supposed to act that fast anyways. It might be better to see all the votes before seconding another piece of legislation.

Another thing is that it might be worthwhile to have this procedure listed in the OP of the Senate thread along with an updated list of senators.

[Vancouvia]

"Announcing the fact"

Do you mean by telegram, RMB, or otherwise because we already announce it by saying it here.

Also, I think that allowing debate during the voting period would be confusing and maybe have votes lost. As has been made abundantly clear to me, the Senate isn't supposed to act that fast anyways. It might be better to see all the votes before seconding another piece of legislation.

Another thing is that it might be worthwhile to have this procedure listed in the OP of the Senate thread along with an updated list of senators.

In the same post that they seconded in. Like "Seconded and voting period has begun. I vote Yes."

I mean, I think we can handle voting and starting debate on something new. I think it would be easy to get used to and this would dramatically decrease our downtime.

[Ventlimer]

"Announcing the fact"

Do you mean by telegram, RMB, or otherwise because we already announce it by saying it here.

Also, I think that allowing debate during the voting period would be confusing and maybe have votes lost. As has been made abundantly clear to me, the Senate isn't supposed to act that fast anyways. It might be better to see all the votes before seconding another piece of legislation.

Another thing is that it might be worthwhile to have this procedure listed in the OP of the Senate thread along with an updated list of senators.

In the same post that they seconded in. Like "Seconded and voting period has begun. I vote Yes."

I mean, I think we can handle voting and starting debate on something new. I think it would be easy to get used to and this would dramatically decrease our downtime.

Ok, I see. No qualms here.

[Vancouvia]

Alright, so we'll see what Verdon and Dash have to say

[Dashgrinaar]

I'm all for this. It almost has the same procedures concerning debate and postage, and I find the voting periods likable. I'm still continuing with numbering though.

[The Pacific Peace Union]

I like the whole reporting to the Secretary of Information part. So far neither the Vice President of the Speaker Pro Tempore have notified me of things that pass.

Just thought id mention that

[Dashgrinaar]

I would move to vote, but shall we wait for Senator Verdon?

Also, I would like to discuss the Exective Order concerning presidential pardons. If there is no objections, this will be our next order of business.

[Agadar]

Senate Procedure and Conduct

---

A law to establish a final standard procedure for the Senate

---

Repeal

(1) Repeals "Senatorial Procedures Act"

Definitions

(1) Defines "legislation" for the purposes of this law as a law or amendment.

Posting

(1) Legislation should be created and submitted to the Senate in the same form and style as this law.

Procedure

(1) Legislation which is posted to the Senate thread shall be reviewed and debated chronologically, with the least recent legislation debated first. Legislation shall be debated one at a time; the Senate shall not move on to new legislation before either (a) the author resigns it from the Senate or (b) a Senate vote has begun. The legislation's format, suitability, merit, and other matters can all be discussed concurrently, and Senators and others may offer suggestions to the legislation that the author may choose to utilize or not.

(2) After at least 24 hours after the debate began (the time at which a Senator first posted debate on the legislation), a Senator can motion for the debate to conclude and move to vote. If this motion receives at least as many seconds as a third of the current Senators (the motioning Senator counts as a second), then the motion will have carried and the voting period will begin immediately.

(3) The voting period shall last until either all the Senators have cast their vote (including votes to abstain), or 48 hours have passed since the motion to vote carried. At the conclusion of the voting period, the votes shall be tallied and displayed publicly, communicated to the Secretary of Information, and the legislation enacted if a vote received sufficient "Yes" votes.

Clarifications and Miscellaneous

(1) Senators may not vote to "dismiss" legislation, nor any similar action which would prevent the legislation from receiving a Senate vote.

(2) If a debate is currently being undergone, Senators should ideally refrain from motioning to end the debate and move to vote, instead waiting until there is a general consensus of the debate being concluded.

(3) The Senator who casts the final second which carries the motion to vote shall also announce this fact so that all Senators are aware that the voting period has begun.

(4) As soon as a voting period has started, Senators may move to debate on the next legislation in line, concurrently casting their votes while beginning the new debate. Only debate on one piece of legislation should be undergone at a time.

(5) It is strongly encouraged to repeal passed legislation and install new legislation rather than amend passed legislation.

The section Procedure, third and last paragraph, reads "At the conclusion of the voting period, the votes shall be tallied and displayed publicly, communicated to the Secretary of Information, and the legislation enacted if a vote received sufficient "Yes" votes.". I think it should be explicitly stated who tallies and displays the votes publicly and communicates it to the Secretary of Information. I suppose this would naturally befall to the Vice President or otherwise the Speaker Pro Tempore in the former's absence.

I would move to vote, but shall we wait for Senator Verdon?

Also, I would like to discuss the Exective Order concerning presidential pardons. If there is no objections, this will be our next order of business.

Considering my only very recently received senatorial seat, I will not be moving to vote, instead choosing to wait on Verdon.

I have no objections to the next order of business being discussing the Exective Order concerning presidential pardons.

[Vancouvia]

Updated with Agadar's suggestions, and welcome

Senate Procedure and Conduct

---

A law to establish a final standard procedure for the Senate

---

Repeal

(1) Repeals "Senatorial Procedures Act"

Definitions

(1) Defines "legislation" for the purposes of this law as a law or amendment.

Posting

(1) Legislation should be created and submitted to the Senate in the same form and style as this law.

Procedure

(1) Legislation which is posted to the Senate thread shall be reviewed and debated chronologically, with the least recent legislation debated first. Legislation shall be debated one at a time; the Senate shall not move on to new legislation before either (a) the author resigns it from the Senate or (b) a Senate vote has begun. The legislation's format, suitability, merit, and other matters can all be discussed concurrently, and Senators and others may offer suggestions to the legislation that the author may choose to utilize or not.

(2) After at least 24 hours after the debate began (the time at which a Senator first posted debate on the legislation), a Senator can motion for the debate to conclude and move to vote. If this motion receives at least as many seconds as a third of the current Senators (the motioning Senator counts as a second), then the motion will have carried and the voting period will begin immediately.

(3) The voting period shall last until either all the Senators have cast their vote (including votes to abstain), or 48 hours have passed since the motion to vote carried. At the conclusion of the voting period, the votes shall be tallied and displayed publicly, communicated to the Secretary of Information by the Speaker Pro Tempore, and the legislation enacted if a vote received sufficient "Yes" votes.

Clarifications and Miscellaneous

(1) Senators may not vote to "dismiss" legislation, nor any similar action which would prevent the legislation from receiving a Senate vote.

(2) If a debate is currently being undergone, Senators should ideally refrain from motioning to end the debate and move to vote, instead waiting until there is a general consensus of the debate being concluded.

(3) The Senator who casts the final second which carries the motion to vote shall also announce this fact so that all Senators are aware that the voting period has begun.

(4) As soon as a voting period has started, Senators may move to debate on the next legislation in line, concurrently casting their votes while beginning the new debate. Only debate on one piece of legislation should be undergone at a time.

(5) It is strongly encouraged to repeal passed legislation and install new legislation rather than amend passed legislation.

[Dashgrinaar]

I still think that dismissals are necessary due to the fact that there might be unconstitutional. Perhaps if there is a case where the Court/a Justice declares it unconstitutional, we can consider it dismissed?

[Vancouvia]

I still think that dismissals are necessary due to the fact that there might be unconstitutional. Perhaps if there is a case where the Court/a Justice declares it unconstitutional, we can consider it dismissed?

We don't decide if something's unconstitutional so we would have no way of fairly dismissing something. If you think something is unconstitutional then just vote against it in the vote, and if it still passes and is forwarded to the Court then the Court can vote it down.

[Dashgrinaar]

I still think that dismissals are necessary due to the fact that there might be unconstitutional. Perhaps if there is a case where the Court/a Justice declares it unconstitutional, we can consider it dismissed?

We don't decide if something's unconstitutional so we would have no way of fairly dismissing something. If you think something is unconstitutional then just vote against it in the vote, and if it still passes and is forwarded to the Court then the Court can vote it down.

Ok, sure. So we're waiting for Verdon's response

[Verdon]

You guys don't always have to wait for me, I'm sometimes not on at opportune moments, though I do appreciate the sentiment.

I Motion to vote.

[Dashgrinaar]

Seconded. The voting period now opens.

AYE