[TWI ONLY] The Senate of the Western Isles

[Dashgrinaar]

Both noted. The senate will now move forwards to Legiaslation Placement, 2016.

I see nothing wrong with the format of the bill and endorse it to move forwards to debate.

[Verdon]

Legislation Placement

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“A law to ensure legislation goes into effect in the correct venue, and to balance the power between the Executive and Legislative branches"

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(1) Any legislation should be passed into the correct venue: either as a law, an amendment, or an executive order. Laws are legislation passed by the Senate that do not materially alter the Constitution. Amendments are legislation passed by the Senate that do materially alter the Constitution. Executive orders are mandates written by an executive officer. Executive orders must be written by the most appropriate officer as outlined in Article II Section 2 of the Constitution.

(2) Any member may, at any time either during the drafting process of legislation or after its enactment, call for the Supreme Court to determine if the legislation is in the correct venue. If this call is placed during the drafting process, the legislation should not go to vote until after the Court has made its decision.

(3) The Senate should refrain from legislating in areas under the scope of executive officers and instead petition the appropriate officer to create an executive order.

1 is needed, as the current definitions are scant.
2 is fine; though it is unlikely to be used
Not sure I understand 3 fully, to what extent does legislation fall under the scope of executives officers, if it directly correlates with their duties? Shouldn't it be that executive officers are tasked to enforce legislation that is passed that falls under the realm of their jurisdiction?

[Vancouvia]

I think the Secretary of the Interior should be the only one to regulate RP and the Senate shouldn't be able to. I think only the Secretary of the Exterior should be allowed to legislate on embassies. Etc.

[Dashgrinaar]

I agree with what Verdon said.

[Great-Imperialonia]

I agree with what Vancouvia said about number 3, although it's still a bit vague in my opinion.

[Verdon]

I feel like executive orders should only be used in instances where legislative procedure would be too time consuming or when the order is too narrowly-focused to represent worthwhile legislation - which they have been so far, mostly.

The problem is that the Secretary of the Interior's duty is to oversee RP. His executive orders bring about broad-scale changes, due to the integral nature of roleplay in our region. I don't think one person's jurisdiction on the matter is representative of the whole - This is evident in that the last Order that Polar decreed, had to be repealed because of negative popular opinion. In fact, I would suggest the opposite: That executive orders that affect regional activities on a broad scale should eventually be turned into law.

[Vancouvia]

I feel like executive orders should only be used in instances where legislative procedure would be too time consuming or when the order is too narrowly-focused to represent worthwhile legislation - which they have been so far, mostly.

The problem is that the Secretary of the Interior's duty is to oversee RP. His executive orders bring about broad-scale changes, due to the integral nature of roleplay in our region. I don't think one person's jurisdiction on the matter is representative of the whole - This is evident in that the last Order that Polar decreed, had to be repealed because of negative popular opinion. In fact, I would suggest the opposite: That executive orders that affect regional activities on a broad scale should eventually be turned into law.

I think there's already a lot of things that limit EOs power: they can be challenged, the President can overrule, or the Supreme Court can overrule if they're unconstitutional. The EOs are supposed to be an expert in the activities that they manage. That order was an example of the officer not being an expert, not the office not be deserving of the call.

[Verdon]

Alright, well I disagree that this is the more efficient way of doing it, but I suppose I don't have objections to the legislation, given that abuse of power has not yet occurred. Should it occur, this might need to be revisited.

[Vancouvia]

Alright, well I disagree that this is the more efficient way of doing it, but I suppose I don't have objections to the legislation, given that abuse of power has not yet occurred. Should it occur, this might need to be revisited.

Another balance is that the Senate could change the Constitution in a way to prevent abuses of power. It can limit what the EO can do but not legislate on the things that the EO has authority over.

[Vancouvia]

Gonna motion to vote

[Dashgrinaar]

Seconded. The voting period is now open.

[Vancouvia]

Yes

[Dashgrinaar]

I vote yes... But the voting period had elapsed. My fault that I didn't close it.

[Dashgrinaar]

It passes 2Y - 2A - 0N

[Dashgrinaar]

Repealing Outdated Legislation

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“A law to repeal two outdated laws"

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(1) Repeals the Formatting and Procedures Act (2015)

(2) Repeals the Reference Information Act (2015)

(3) The Formatting and Procedures Act has not been adhered to for several months. This is evidence of its lacking utility. All necessary Senate procedures are established in the Constitution and/or are not needed for the Senate to conduct its business. The Senate has established itself through patterns of conduct and this act has been defunct and antiquated for some time now.

(4) The Reference Information Act regulates an area that should be under the authority of the Secretary of the Interior. The Secretary of the Interior is encouraged to issue an executive order revitalizing these rules if deemed necessary.

The above legislation is now brought to the floor. After review of the styling/format of this bill, I endorse it and we now will move on to debating the bill.

[Dashgrinaar]

So when we first look at this, the F&P has already been replaced... By the Senatorial Procedures Act. It currently is being followed, there is no need to repeal the F&P. I do agree that Reference Information act is outdated, seeing what we have already passed.

[Vancouvia]

So when we first look at this, the F&P has already been replaced... By the Senatorial Procedures Act. It currently is being followed, there is no need to repeal the F&P. I do agree that Reference Information act is outdated, seeing what we have already passed.

You're right I didn't notice it was already repealed.

[Vancouvia]

Repealing Outdated Legislation

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“A law to repeal an outdated law"

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(1) Repeals the Reference Information Act (2015)

(2) The Reference Information Act regulates an area that should be under the authority of the Secretary of the Interior. The Secretary of the Interior is encouraged to issue an executive order revitalizing these rules if deemed necessary.

[Verdon]

I would want to see this repealed because I think that the requirement for econ and military factbooks is restricting of various types of rp.

No quarrels here, I think we can fast-track this one.

[Great-Imperialonia]

Repealing Outdated Legislation

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“A law to repeal an outdated law"

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(1) Repeals the Reference Information Act (2015)

(2) The Reference Information Act regulates an area that should be under the authority of the Secretary of the Interior. The Secretary of the Interior is encouraged to issue an executive order revitalizing these rules if deemed necessary.

I do agree that it would be good for the Sec. Of interior to give more executive orders in cases like this. Because there are many nations want to join a role play without even one factbook. I think it's good if the SoI would be doing more about that.

[Dashgrinaar]

I would want to see this repealed because I think that the requirement for econ and military factbooks is restricting of various types of rp.

No quarrels here, I think we can fast-track this one.

Same opinion, and this would also fall in as an application of Clause 3, of the Legislation Placement Act.

I move to vote.

[Great-Imperialonia]

I would want to see this repealed because I think that the requirement for econ and military factbooks is restricting of various types of rp.

No quarrels here, I think we can fast-track this one.

Same opinion, and this would also fall in as an application of Clause 3, of the Legislation Placement Act.

I move to vote.

I vote yes

[Dashgrinaar]

Same opinion, and this would also fall in as an application of Clause 3, of the Legislation Placement Act.

I move to vote.

I vote yes

We need a second before we commence that process

[Great-Imperialonia]

I vote yes

We need a second before we commence that process

Sorry, forgot it. I second and vote yes

[Vancouvia]

AFFIRMATIVE