The Christian Discussion Thread VI

[Thermodolia]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=366941

What do y'all think?

Good, PP has done no wrong.

[Nordengrund]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=366941

What do y'all think?

As much as I am against abortion, I don't have enough information to declare whether they edited the videos or not. If they did, then I guess they deserve it, if the videos are the real thing then I am disappointed with the outcome.

[Luminesa]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=366941

What do y'all think?

I've never gotten why they got in trouble for "editing" their videos. Sports Center doesn't get in trouble for editing their footage to show only highlights from games. What exactly was edited, anyway?

My question is still this: if they were heavily edited, you still have to look at the footage they found. Either they did NOT show something (which is usually the case when someone says "heavily-edited") or they added things to the original footage. Either way, it's not exactly a pretty picture. I don't like this, but it still leaves a lot of questions that need to be answered. They just might have to be answered in slightly different ways.

[Tveria]

I'm a Messianic Jew! I was born and raised in Israel to an Orthodox Jewish family, when I turned 17 my friends invited me to a Messianic Temple for the first time. It's where I learned about Christ and I decided to convert to Christianity when I was 18. Messianic Judaism was the obvious choice for me, I can maintain my Jewish roots and identity while practicing my new found faith. I, like most Messianic Jews, do believe in the Trinity. This is not contrary to the Shema, "the L-rd is One" as the Trinity is not three separate beings, but rather one eternally existent plural oneness. The Torah was not abolished by the coming of the Messiah, but was revised through the Brit Chadasha (New Testament) so we are still bound by it. I look forward to more conversations here!

[Talvezout]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=366941

What do y'all think?

I've never gotten why they got in trouble for "editing" their videos. Sports Center doesn't get in trouble for editing their footage to show only highlights from games. What exactly was edited, anyway?

My question is still this: if they were heavily edited, you still have to look at the footage they found. Either they did NOT show something (which is usually the case when someone says "heavily-edited") or they added things to the original footage. Either way, it's not exactly a pretty picture. I don't like this, but it still leaves a lot of questions that need to be answered. They just might have to be answered in slightly different ways.

My main gripe is that the way how the article is worded, it makes it seem like the reason why the opposing side is because they posed as a company wishing to buy the fetal tissue... which is a standard part of investigative journalism (e.g, person X poses as some by from company Y to buy something sketchy from company Z) and police stings.

[Luminesa]

I've never gotten why they got in trouble for "editing" their videos. Sports Center doesn't get in trouble for editing their footage to show only highlights from games. What exactly was edited, anyway?

My question is still this: if they were heavily edited, you still have to look at the footage they found. Either they did NOT show something (which is usually the case when someone says "heavily-edited") or they added things to the original footage. Either way, it's not exactly a pretty picture. I don't like this, but it still leaves a lot of questions that need to be answered. They just might have to be answered in slightly different ways.

My main gripe is that the way how the article is worded, it makes it seem like the reason why the opposing side is because they posed as a company wishing to buy the fetal tissue... which is a standard part of investigative journalism (e.g, person X poses as some by from company Y to buy something sketchy from company Z) and police stings.

The Bias is strong with this article, indeed.

[Talvezout]

My main gripe is that the way how the article is worded, it makes it seem like the reason why the opposing side is because they posed as a company wishing to buy the fetal tissue... which is a standard part of investigative journalism (e.g, person X poses as some by from company Y to buy something sketchy from company Z) and police stings.

The Bias is strong with this article, indeed.

I mean, if it's definitely proven that they did something illegal along the way (bribing government officials, or something like that I don't know) then I would understand the conviction.

But if it's for the reasons I mentioned, then there's something wrong right there.

[Salus Maior]

I'm a Messianic Jew! I was born and raised in Israel to an Orthodox Jewish family, when I turned 17 my friends invited me to a Messianic Temple for the first time. It's where I learned about Christ and I decided to convert to Christianity when I was 18. Messianic Judaism was the obvious choice for me, I can maintain my Jewish roots and identity while practicing my new found faith. I, like most Messianic Jews, do believe in the Trinity. This is not contrary to the Shema, "the L-rd is One" as the Trinity is not three separate beings, but rather one eternally existent plural oneness. The Torah was not abolished by the coming of the Messiah, but was revised through the Brit Chadasha (New Testament) so we are still bound by it. I look forward to more conversations here!

Cool it'll be nice to have a positive-minded Messianic here for a change.

[Thermodolia]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=366941

What do y'all think?

I've never gotten why they got in trouble for "editing" their videos. Sports Center doesn't get in trouble for editing their footage to show only highlights from games. What exactly was edited, anyway?

My question is still this: if they were heavily edited, you still have to look at the footage they found. Either they did NOT show something (which is usually the case when someone says "heavily-edited") or they added things to the original footage. Either way, it's not exactly a pretty picture. I don't like this, but it still leaves a lot of questions that need to be answered. They just might have to be answered in slightly different ways.

They've been charged with edited and forging state documents eg: drivers license.

[Efraim-Judah]

I'm a Messianic Jew! I was born and raised in Israel to an Orthodox Jewish family, when I turned 17 my friends invited me to a Messianic Temple for the first time. It's where I learned about Christ and I decided to convert to Christianity when I was 18. Messianic Judaism was the obvious choice for me, I can maintain my Jewish roots and identity while practicing my new found faith. I, like most Messianic Jews, do believe in the Trinity. This is not contrary to the Shema, "the L-rd is One" as the Trinity is not three separate beings, but rather one eternally existent plural oneness. The Torah was not abolished by the coming of the Messiah, but was revised through the Brit Chadasha (New Testament) so we are still bound by it. I look forward to more conversations here!

Heresy! You're not Messianic. You're a Hebrew Roots Christian.

[New confederate ramenia]

I'm a Messianic Jew! I was born and raised in Israel to an Orthodox Jewish family, when I turned 17 my friends invited me to a Messianic Temple for the first time. It's where I learned about Christ and I decided to convert to Christianity when I was 18. Messianic Judaism was the obvious choice for me, I can maintain my Jewish roots and identity while practicing my new found faith. I, like most Messianic Jews, do believe in the Trinity. This is not contrary to the Shema, "the L-rd is One" as the Trinity is not three separate beings, but rather one eternally existent plural oneness. The Torah was not abolished by the coming of the Messiah, but was revised through the Brit Chadasha (New Testament) so we are still bound by it. I look forward to more conversations here!

Heretic. You're not Messianic. You're a Hebrew Roots Christian.

We're all heretics here.

[Efraim-Judah]

Heretic. You're not Messianic. You're a Hebrew Roots Christian.

We're all heretics here.

Not all. Christadelphians and JW's are Heterdox.

[Tveria]

I'm a Messianic Jew! I was born and raised in Israel to an Orthodox Jewish family, when I turned 17 my friends invited me to a Messianic Temple for the first time. It's where I learned about Christ and I decided to convert to Christianity when I was 18. Messianic Judaism was the obvious choice for me, I can maintain my Jewish roots and identity while practicing my new found faith. I, like most Messianic Jews, do believe in the Trinity. This is not contrary to the Shema, "the L-rd is One" as the Trinity is not three separate beings, but rather one eternally existent plural oneness. The Torah was not abolished by the coming of the Messiah, but was revised through the Brit Chadasha (New Testament) so we are still bound by it. I look forward to more conversations here!

Heresy! You're not Messianic. You're a Hebrew Roots Christian.

No, I'm a Messianic Jew... The congregation I belong to are members of the Messianic Israel Alliance. Please keep in mind Messianic Judaism was started, by a Jew who converted to Christianity, to continue a culturally Jewish lifestyle. Please tell me you're not one of those "Messianic Jews" who reject the Trinity. I've only ever met two of them, and they were very quickly dismissed for their own heresy of rejecting the Trinity.

[Efraim-Judah]

Heresy! You're not Messianic. You're a Hebrew Roots Christian.

No, I'm a Messianic Jew... The congregation I belong to are members of the Messianic Israel Alliance. Please keep in mind Messianic Judaism was started, by a Jew who converted to Christianity, to continue a culturally Jewish lifestyle. Please tell me you're not one of those "Messianic Jews" who reject the Trinity. I've only ever met two of them, and they were very quickly dismissed for their own heresy of rejecting the Trinity.

You are a Hebrew Roots Christian. Not a Messianic Jew. Yeshua is not God. The Trinity is pagan and a heresy.

[Thermodolia]

No, I'm a Messianic Jew... The congregation I belong to are members of the Messianic Israel Alliance. Please keep in mind Messianic Judaism was started, by a Jew who converted to Christianity, to continue a culturally Jewish lifestyle. Please tell me you're not one of those "Messianic Jews" who reject the Trinity. I've only ever met two of them, and they were very quickly dismissed for their own heresy of rejecting the Trinity.

You are a Hebrew Roots Christian. Not a Messianic Jew. Yeshua is not God. The Trinity is pagan and a heresy.

Well that answers that question.

[New confederate ramenia]

We're all heretics here.

Not all. Christadelphians and JW's are Heterdox.

What's the difference between heterodox and heretical?

No, I'm a Messianic Jew... The congregation I belong to are members of the Messianic Israel Alliance. Please keep in mind Messianic Judaism was started, by a Jew who converted to Christianity, to continue a culturally Jewish lifestyle. Please tell me you're not one of those "Messianic Jews" who reject the Trinity. I've only ever met two of them, and they were very quickly dismissed for their own heresy of rejecting the Trinity.

You are a Hebrew Roots Christian. Not a Messianic Jew. Yeshua is not God. The Trinity is pagan and a heresy.

Can you prove that Hebrew Roots Christians aren't Messianic Jews, and that Tveria is a Messianic Jew? Can you prove that Yeshua isn't God? That the Trinity is a pagan heresy?

[Efraim-Judah]

Heresy! You're not Messianic. You're a Hebrew Roots Christian.

No, I'm a Messianic Jew... The congregation I belong to are members of the Messianic Israel Alliance. Please keep in mind Messianic Judaism was started, by a Jew who converted to Christianity, to continue a culturally Jewish lifestyle. Please tell me you're not one of those "Messianic Jews" who reject the Trinity. I've only ever met two of them, and they were very quickly dismissed for their own heresy of rejecting the Trinity.

Not only this but your alliance believes in the two house heresy! 2 house theology is HRC, not MJ.

[Tveria]

You are a Hebrew Roots Christian. Not a Messianic Jew. Yeshua is not God. The Trinity is pagan and a heresy.

Well that answers that question.

Yes, it does... Sadly, his views aren't accepted by the major Messianic Jewish organisations such as the MIA (the Messianic Israel Alliance).

[Efraim-Judah]

Not all. Christadelphians and JW's are Heterdox.

What's the difference between heterodox and heretical?

You are a Hebrew Roots Christian. Not a Messianic Jew. Yeshua is not God. The Trinity is pagan and a heresy.

Can you prove that Hebrew Roots Christians aren't Messianic Jews, and that Tveria is a Messianic Jew? Can you prove that Yeshua isn't God? That the Trinity is a pagan heresy?

Heterodox is just not Orthodox. Less than a heresy.

Their beliefs are characteristic of the Hebrew Roots Movement. No Messianic Jew believes in the two House Movement. That is a HRC belief. While they may be Jewish by blood their theology is Hebrew Roots Christianity, not Messianic Judaism.

[Efraim-Judah]

Well that answers that question.

Yes, it does... Sadly, his views aren't accepted by the major Messianic Jewish organisations such as the MIA (the Messianic Israel Alliance).

The MIA is small.

[Salus Maior]

Relevant to discussion course.

[Efraim-Judah]

Better to have a HRC, on here, than nothing at all.

[New confederate ramenia]

What's the difference between heterodox and heretical?

Can you prove that Hebrew Roots Christians aren't Messianic Jews, and that Tveria is a Messianic Jew? Can you prove that Yeshua isn't God? That the Trinity is a pagan heresy?

Heterodox is just not Orthodox. Less than a heresy.

Their beliefs are characteristic of the Hebrew Roots Movement. No Messianic Jew believes in the two House Movement. That is a HRC belief. While they may be Jewish by blood their theology is Hebrew Roots Christianity, not Messianic Judaism.

Okay. How about proving that Yeshua isn't God, and the trinity is pagan?

[New confederate ramenia]

I'm a Messianic Jew! I was born and raised in Israel to an Orthodox Jewish family, when I turned 17 my friends invited me to a Messianic Temple for the first time. It's where I learned about Christ and I decided to convert to Christianity when I was 18. Messianic Judaism was the obvious choice for me, I can maintain my Jewish roots and identity while practicing my new found faith. I, like most Messianic Jews, do believe in the Trinity. This is not contrary to the Shema, "the L-rd is One" as the Trinity is not three separate beings, but rather one eternally existent plural oneness. The Torah was not abolished by the coming of the Messiah, but was revised through the Brit Chadasha (New Testament) so we are still bound by it. I look forward to more conversations here!

How did you learn about the Trinity?

[Efraim-Judah]

Heterodox is just not Orthodox. Less than a heresy.

Their beliefs are characteristic of the Hebrew Roots Movement. No Messianic Jew believes in the two House Movement. That is a HRC belief. While they may be Jewish by blood their theology is Hebrew Roots Christianity, not Messianic Judaism.

Okay. How about proving that Yeshua isn't God, and the trinity is pagan?

Jesus had a God. (Eph 1:17) (1Pet 1:3) (John20:17) (Rom 15:6) (2Cor 11:31) If you have a God, you cannot be God.