Russia Funding Far-Right Parties in Europe

[Kelinfort]

Centuries? Well, the Khanate of Kazan, which Russia conquired in the 16th century, was Muslim.

True and the Qasim Khanate even earlier

Volga Bulgaria was the first in the 10th century.

[Kelinfort]

The Caucasus have been Muslim since the 7th century, save Armenia.

Not since the 7th century since the 1700es

it is difficult to establish exactly when Islam first appeared in Russia because the lands that Islam penetrated early in its expansion were not part of Russia at the time, but were later incorporated into the expanding Russian Empire. Islam reached the Caucasus region in the middle of the seventh century as part of the Arab conquest of the Iranian Sassanian Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_ ... _in_Russia

[Louis20]

True and the Qasim Khanate even earlier

Volga Bulgaria was the first in the 10th century.

No Russia was formed in the mid 900es i think so it about the same timeline

[Louis20]

Not since the 7th century since the 1700es

it is difficult to establish exactly when Islam first appeared in Russia because the lands that Islam penetrated early in its expansion were not part of Russia at the time, but were later incorporated into the expanding Russian Empire. Islam reached the Caucasus region in the middle of the seventh century as part of the Arab conquest of the Iranian Sassanian Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_ ... _in_Russia

chechens didn't become muslim until the Middle Ages

[Jochistan]

He also calls Islam "a traditional religion of Russia". I don't like Russia or Putin much...at all... but he does have a cooperative stance towards Muslims and isn't as heroically murderous as ridiculously ill informed Alt righters think he is.

That simply isn't true though. Unless Islam has existed within Russia's borders since Russia's beginnings as a state or at least for centuries. Did Russia not have a lot of Muslims back when they fought a war against the Ottomans in Crimea?

Please, the Tartars have been Muslim long before the Ottomans. The Bashkirs, Kipchak and Azeris too.
They have been there for over a millennia, long before The Ottomans.

Some Ismaili Shi'a and Ahmadis from South Asia fled up to Russia escaping Salafis as well.

[Kelinfort]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_ ... _in_Russia

chechens didn't become muslim until the Middle Ages

The first people to become Muslims within current Russian territory, the Dagestani people (region of Derbent), converted after the Arab conquests in the 8th century.

It should be noted the Caucasus are no longer a part of Russia.

[Louis20]

chechens didn't become muslim until the Middle Ages

The first people to become Muslims within current Russian territory, the Dagestani people (region of Derbent), converted after the Arab conquests in the 8th century.

It should be noted the Caucasus are no longer a part of Russia.

Says who?

[Louis20]

That simply isn't true though. Unless Islam has existed within Russia's borders since Russia's beginnings as a state or at least for centuries. Did Russia not have a lot of Muslims back when they fought a war against the Ottomans in Crimea?

Please, the Tartars have been Muslim long before the Ottomans. The Bashkirs, Kipchak and Azeris too.
They have been there for over a millennia, long before The Ottomans.

Some Ismaili Shi'a and Ahmadis from South Asia fled up to Russia escaping Salafis as well.

True

[Langor Empire]

chechens didn't become muslim until the Middle Ages

The first people to become Muslims within current Russian territory, the Dagestani people (region of Derbent), converted after the Arab conquests in the 8th century.

It should be noted the Caucasus are no longer a part of Russia.

The North Caucasus which has 7 Muslim republics is still a part of Russia.

[Kelinfort]

It should be noted the Caucasus are no longer a part of Russia.

Says who?

https://www.academia.edu/1902427/The_Is ... considered

[Louis20]

It should be noted the Caucasus are no longer a part of Russia.

The North Caucasus which has 7 Muslim republics is still a part of Russia.

True

[Jochistan]

He also calls Islam "a traditional religion of Russia". I don't like Russia or Putin much...at all... but he does have a cooperative stance towards Muslims and isn't as heroically murderous as ridiculously ill informed Alt righters think he is.

The war in Chechnya was towards a people that weren't even Russian and highly combatant with Salafis. Salafi Jihadists didn't become something common and as dangerous until After Russia invaded. And Ichkeria mostly fought back for nationalist reasons. Having just as much hatred for the Salafis as anyone else.

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/20 ... nment.html

He's a "cuckservative" by their lofty standards.

lol. wonder what their response to that is. True Russia is still terrible to other people, but kind of hard to maintain that Anti-Islam boner knowing all this, I would imagine.

[Baltenstein]

He also calls Islam "a traditional religion of Russia". I don't like Russia or Putin much...at all... but he does have a cooperative stance towards Muslims and isn't as heroically murderous as ridiculously ill informed Alt righters think he is.

That simply isn't true though. Unless Islam has existed within Russia's borders since Russia's beginnings as a state or at least for centuries. Did Russia not have a lot of Muslims back when they fought a war against the Ottomans in Crimea?

I think Putin once said that "Islam has existed on Russian soil before Christianity".
Do remember that the Christianization of the Kievan Rus only occured around the end of the tenth century. Allegedly, Vladimir the Great actually considered making Islam its primary religion, but decided against it when he learned that Alcohol and pork are haram in Islam.

[Kauthar]

Your source is the independent who are owned by an anti-russian. Huff Post would be more trustworthy than that shite

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

That simply isn't true though. Unless Islam has existed within Russia's borders since Russia's beginnings as a state or at least for centuries. Did Russia not have a lot of Muslims back when they fought a war against the Ottomans in Crimea?

I think Putin once said that "Islam has existed on Russian soil before Christianity".
Do remember that the Christianization of the Kievan Rus only occured around the end of the tenth century. Allegedly, Vladimir the Great actually considered making Islam its primary religion, but decided against it when he learned that Alcohol and pork are haram in Islam.

He still could've become a Muslim, just not a very religious one.

[Sanctissima]

That simply isn't true though. Unless Islam has existed within Russia's borders since Russia's beginnings as a state or at least for centuries. Did Russia not have a lot of Muslims back when they fought a war against the Ottomans in Crimea?

I think Putin once said that "Islam has existed on Russian soil before Christianity".
Do remember that the Christianization of the Kievan Rus only occured around the end of the tenth century. Allegedly, Vladimir the Great actually considered making Islam its primary religion, but decided against it when he learned that Alcohol and pork are haram in Islam.

To quote his exact words on the subject:

""Drinking is the joy of all Rus'. We cannot exist without that pleasure."

[Baltenstein]

I think Putin once said that "Islam has existed on Russian soil before Christianity".
Do remember that the Christianization of the Kievan Rus only occured around the end of the tenth century. Allegedly, Vladimir the Great actually considered making Islam its primary religion, but decided against it when he learned that Alcohol and pork are haram in Islam.

He still could've become a Muslim, just not a very religious one.

Of course, the true reason for him finally picking Orthodox Christianity didn't have to do anything with drinking habits but with realpolitik. Constantinople was a very powerful player at the time and an alliance with them was a favorable option for the Kievan Rus. It's no coincidence that Vladimir proposed to the Byzantine emperor's sister immediately after his conversion.

[Lowell Leber]

Can we just declare "Eurabia" to be a dogwhistle at this point?

No..because it could possibly still turn out to be true.

[Neo-Vinnland]

If this is true, Russia's actions are heroic!
Now if only their funding would net some actual results in terms of right wing victories. It is crucial that the right wins if there is to be a traditional and Christian Europe with trappings of secularism instead of becoming a Eurabia.

Here, here!

[Kauthar]

I find it ironic that Russia would be funding fascist parties considering what fascists did to them during the GPW.

Far right =\= fascist.

Far right could mean republicanism, nationalism, authoritarianism, totalitarianism, all within a capitalist or communist model.

Fascism is implying an authoritarian government built around a third-position state with a particular ego cult around one leader.

The parties reportedly being funded are almost all simply conservative and nationalistic with tendencies for capitalism, and at their most extreme a form of totalitarianism.

it won't mean republicans lmao
most republicans are centre-right or just right-wing neocons.

Can we just declare "Eurabia" to be a dogwhistle at this point?

No..because it will turn out to be true.

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[Ganos Lao]

Besides, if the establishment parties across European countries (left and right both) weren't so detached from the ongoing suffering of the people under austerity, it wouldn't matter how much money whackjobs like Marine Le Pen had - they'd still be seen as the whackjobs they are. But since the traditional parties have persisted in ignoring popular needs and wishes, anti-establishment sentiment is running high.

And when the shit hits the fan, the establishment will go up to the plate and present itself as the best choice for bring an end to its own manufactured chaos. The cycle begins anew, and no one's the wiser, and no one will question the establishment's role in the preceding chaos because it was just those whackjobs being whackjobs.

[Setgavarius]

Besides, if the establishment parties across European countries (left and right both) weren't so detached from the ongoing suffering of the people under austerity, it wouldn't matter how much money whackjobs like Marine Le Pen had - they'd still be seen as the whackjobs they are. But since the traditional parties have persisted in ignoring popular needs and wishes, anti-establishment sentiment is running high.

And when the shit hits the fan, the establishment will go up to the plate and present itself as the best choice for bring an end to its own manufactured chaos. The cycle begins anew, and no one's the wiser, and no one will question the establishment's role in the preceding chaos because it was just those whackjobs being whackjobs.

Now we might just need the shit to hit the fan and for the fan to ignite the entire room in flames. If we're going for a total purge of the establishment, that is.

[Ganos Lao]

The rise of the right wing and the jihadists can be blamed on the rise of ineptitude and cronyism that has crippled Western politics.

How?

In Europe, it's pretty obvious to see that the politicians are utterly self-absorbed and don't care about what's going on to the commoners these days. Chalcedon mentioned it in his post. The suffering of the people is blatantly ignored.

Remember Paris? All those red flags missed? Ineptitude at its finest.

Would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

[Ganos Lao]

And when the shit hits the fan, the establishment will go up to the plate and present itself as the best choice for bring an end to its own manufactured chaos. The cycle begins anew, and no one's the wiser, and no one will question the establishment's role in the preceding chaos because it was just those whackjobs being whackjobs.

Now we might just need the shit to hit the fan and for the fan to ignite the entire room in flames. If we're going for a total purge of the establishment, that is.

It's a pretty decent plan.

Allow problems to fester, then when it bites you in the ass, simply present yourself as the cure. Sure, even more people will suffer and die as you waste even more time, money, etc on "solving" the problem, but you still keep your suite in the ivory tower.

Perhaps it's too cynical an analysis, but I really can't see any other explanation than that most politicians simply don't give a rat's ass and just want to watch the world burn.

Well, not their share of it, I mean. That has to stay profitable.

[Vassenor]

Can we just declare "Eurabia" to be a dogwhistle at this point?

No..because it could possibly still turn out to be true.

No..because it will turn out to be true.

fixed

Sauce pls.