International Freedom Coalition (OOC, APPS TEMP CLOSED)

[Flardania]

3-4 pages while I slept !? Who gave the IFC a defibrillator?

[Brytene]

Watch me embarass myself by thinking this is good

Not enough tbh.

There was this thread where Cuscy's guy dueled with someone's queen, and the description was so juicy...yeah

How nice of you to say! Glad we entertained

A terrifying insanity-inducing realm where FFT omniversal techwankers, informorph-governed chaotic evil dictatorships, quasi-agonocratic memeocracies and gamers come together to plague the multiverse with psionic memes and 1337 spam.

Basically, every stereotype you had about FTers, the bad ones, come true and magnified thousands of times.

I think this is the fear people have over the 'one-region' theory. You will by default get...the darkness creeping in. There'll always be one guy who claims he is going to nuke the earth, or fire a Death Star at the Sun, or something insane, and then everyone either has to ignore it and try to deal with the canon mess and confusion it sparks, or else be dragged into a war against the 'Darth Vaderian Empire' or the 'Fifth Nazi Reich' or something stupid

[The United Remnants of America]

A terrifying insanity-inducing realm where FFT omniversal techwankers, informorph-governed chaotic evil dictatorships, quasi-agonocratic memeocracies and gamers come together to plague the multiverse with psionic memes and 1337 spam.

Basically, every stereotype you had about FTers, the bad ones, come true and magnified thousands of times.

I think this is the fear people have over the 'one-region' theory. You will by default get...the darkness creeping in. There'll always be one guy who claims he is going to nuke the earth, or fire a Death Star at the Sun, or something insane, and then everyone either has to ignore it and try to deal with the canon mess and confusion it sparks, or else be dragged into a war against the 'Darth Vaderian Empire' or the 'Fifth Nazi Reich' or something stupid

Honestly, that's kind of an upside of Task Force Atlas. No matter how crazy shit gets, it only ever has to affect a few people from your country, and then your nation's canon is safe.

[Yalottska]

An average and variation can be very clearly defined and consistent. It's like cars or airplanes. Usually they don't crash, but it's handy if we allow the occasional car to crash, since then they aren't impossible and we can actually use them, safe an secure in the knowledge that on average they don't.

I think you're purposefully ignoring my point, and taking my analogies out of context.

Let me explain in another way:

In RP, it's a broadly accepted rule that nobody has to accept or recognize the existence of validity of another entity in any form on NS. So some people would rather ignore the rest of NS and interact in an established world because the NS world is innately absurd. Even if you were to ignore those who use NS pops, you still have those with ridiculous "pop-caps" of upwards of two billion [with a GDP of capita of like, 67,000, or something], tens of thousands of other nations, and no real consistency.

Some people want to RP in a closed world because they enjoy having a firmly established RP world in which they can account for their interactions with every other nation in this world, and vice versa. Some people would like to RP in an environment, say, similar to earth, in which the dynamics of power, trade, and etc. are all clearly defined and established in a finite world that isn't as likely to change without the players' knowledge or consent. Being in open II doesn't really allow for this because there are tens-of-thousands of RPers, new players joining all the time, a vast majority of RPers don't RP their nations in an acceptably "realistic manner" etc.

Not everybody RPs the same way you do, L&A, and not everybody wants the same things you want, and your idea of a good RP community or world is certainly not universal or even necessarily right, unless, of course, you wish to suggest that dozens of other people are actually doing free-form RP wrong.

As Brytene so aptly put it:

I think this is the fear people have over the 'one-region' theory. You will by default get...the darkness creeping in. There'll always be one guy who claims he is going to nuke the earth, or fire a Death Star at the Sun, or something insane, and then everyone either has to ignore it and try to deal with the canon mess and confusion it sparks, or else be dragged into a war against the 'Darth Vaderian Empire' or the 'Fifth Nazi Reich' or something stupid

And I'm inclined to agree with him. You could ignore the wankers, as you mentioned, but you seem to fail to realize that not everybody wants to go through the hassle of doing that in the first place. And some people want to RP in a world with others who share their ideas of realism and consistency, or otherwise.

That's argumentum ad absurdum - by its tenet, every RPIng site I'm not RPing at I am missing out and being missed out on. Since I can't be everywhere at once, I choose where I want to be, where I have the most enjoyment. From my perspective, the 'general II canon' isn't it.

Yes, but it isn't fun only because nobody think it's fun so they won't devote any time to it. If they thought it was fun and devoted some time to it then it would be fun because they'd have made it fun together. That's how society works (or doesn't): people work together (or don't) to create something useful, like fun.

I don't know what sort of argument that is, but I call it argumentum ad stock market liquidity - they run (or don't) on the same principle.

I hardly believe a few closed world regions is going to spoil the fun for everybody. You still have on NS, right? Even with regions like Pardes and Mare existing? Then your argument is moot? Who cares if a few people would rather be left alone? You have no right to their time and they certainly asking for yours, and they aren't harming anybody because there are clearly enough people who will and want to interact with you on open II.

I said will be the death.

I don't see the RP community dying, nor do I see any RPers dying, nor is there anything to suggest that they will. Not in the past, not in the present, and certainly not the future. A few closed-world communities haven't and won't contribute to the death of RP on NS, contrary to what you seem to believe. Now, yes, if everybody were to hop into a sudden closed-world phase, then there might be a problem and I might be inclined to agree with you. But I hardly believe blaming those who RP in closed worlds for the death of RP or RPers is at all reasonable in any sense.

I never said people who didn't RP across regional boundaries didn't RP across regional boundaries - that would be arguing against a tautology (and obviously pointless).

I'm talking about people who don't RP across regional boundaries, who exist in closed worlds, who contribute otherwise by offering assistance in lineart, economic/sociological expertise, etc, to those outside their region. They're clearly mono-regional, and generally RP within the confines of their own closed-world, but they're contributing a lot more than most NSers. They're sharing their ideas and creativity, even if they won't RP or interact with other nations outside of their single region.

Because, you know, such people exist. The truth resists simplicity.

[Krjder]

URA, would you have anything against a platoon of Sároźags in TFA...?

[The United Remnants of America]

URA, would you have anything against a platoon of Sároźags in TFA...?

Don't you already have a team in TFA?

And not a platoon.

[Inyourfaceistan]

In RP, it's a broadly accepted rule that nobody has to accept or recognize the existence of validity of another entity in any form on NS. So some people would rather ignore the rest of NS and interact in an established world because the NS world is innately absurd. Even if you were to ignore those who use NS pops, you still have those with ridiculous "pop-caps" of upwards of two billion [with a GDP of capita of like, 67,000, or something], tens of thousands of other nations, and no real consistency.

^This.

Not everybody RPs the same way you do, L&A, and not everybody wants the same things you want, and your idea of a good RP community or world is certainly not universal or even necessarily right, unless, of course, you wish to suggest that dozens of other people are actually doing free-form RP wrong.

^And this!

[Shazbotdom]

A bit more on topic: how many members here are actively on iiwiki?

I started one at one point, just like i started an in game factbook, but never got far with it.

*disappointed look at myself*

[New Chilokver]

What's the deal with Whiteshore and the Tarkanese Federation?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

In RP, it's a broadly accepted rule that nobody has to accept or recognize the existence of validity of another entity in any form on NS.

That doesn't mean it's sensible to cut every other region off.

In any society, normally people can work together to achieve a compromise - which can be remarkably effective.

What's the deal with Whiteshore and the Tarkanese Federation?

There is currently a conflict between UCASIRE vs. SACTO, and in a related incident Whitshore and the Tarkanese Federation have to war. Inyurstan, as a member of SACTO, has sent support to the Tarkanese, and the Ausitorian government is intent upon demonstrating their equivalent ability to send support to Whiteshore, i.e. their independence from SACTO. (By extension, they also wish to demonstrate the IFC's ability to act independently from SACTO).

Anybody else active on iiwiki?

[The United Remnants of America]

In RP, it's a broadly accepted rule that nobody has to accept or recognize the existence of validity of another entity in any form on NS.

That doesn't mean it's sensible to cut every other region off.

In any society, normally people can work together to achieve a compromise - which can be remarkably effective.

What's the deal with Whiteshore and the Tarkanese Federation?

There is currently a conflict between UCASIRE vs. SACTO, and in a related incident Whitshore and the Tarkanese Federation have to war. Inyurstan, as a member of SACTO, has sent support to the Tarkanese, and the Ausitorian government is intent upon demonstrating their equivalent ability to send support to Whiteshore, i.e. their independence from SACTO. (By extension, they also wish to demonstrate the IFC's ability to act independently from SACTO).

Oh, is that what that is? SACTO-IFC proxy war? Guess I'll just chill and watch.

[New Chilokver]

In RP, it's a broadly accepted rule that nobody has to accept or recognize the existence of validity of another entity in any form on NS.

That doesn't mean it's sensible to cut every other region off.

In any society, normally people can work together to achieve a compromise - which can be remarkably effective.

What's the deal with Whiteshore and the Tarkanese Federation?

There is currently a conflict between UCASIRE vs. SACTO, and in a related incident Whitshore and the Tarkanese Federation have to war. Inyurstan, as a member of SACTO, has sent support to the Tarkanese, and the Ausitorian government is intent upon demonstrating their equivalent ability to send support to Whiteshore, i.e. their independence from SACTO. (By extension, they also wish to demonstrate the IFC's ability to act independently from SACTO).

Anybody else active on iiwiki?

UCASIRE? Is either nation in the IFC or SACTO?

I've been meaning to work on my IIWiki, but it's a bit hard to do it on my phone.

[Vistora]

What are some of the other major MT RP groups with a continuity with the IFC, as well as our relationship with them?

[The United Remnants of America]

What are some of the other major MT RP groups with a continuity with the IFC, as well as our relationship with them?

SACTO - Santiago Anti-Communist Treaty Organization: Meh
UL - United Left: They're defunct, so I don't even know why I'm putting this here.
TFA - Task Force Atlas: This is a joke, but oh boy it will eventually be a thing.

[Vistora]

What are some of the other major MT RP groups with a continuity with the IFC, as well as our relationship with them?

SACTO - Santiago Anti-Communist Treaty Organization: Meh
UL - United Left: They're defunct, so I don't even know why I'm putting this here.
TFA - Task Force Atlas: This is a joke, but oh boy it will eventually be a thing.

I know that SACTO kind of devolved into a bunch of wannabe fascists, so they don't strike me as something to be taken particularly seriously OOC. And the other two you listed seem largely to be nonentities, soooo... nothing?

[Singaporean Transhumans]

SACTO - Santiago Anti-Communist Treaty Organization: Meh
UL - United Left: They're defunct, so I don't even know why I'm putting this here.
TFA - Task Force Atlas: This is a joke, but oh boy it will eventually be a thing.

I know that SACTO kind of devolved into a bunch of wannabe fascists, so they don't strike me as something to be taken particularly seriously OOC. And the other two you listed seem largely to be nonentities, soooo... nothing?

DHQ-651 is an anomalous one, remember.

Anything can happen. The guy from Quirina knows about a lot of multiversal physics yet things haven't fallen apart (yet).

Also, saying SACTO has devolved into what you said is likely not going to give anyone the good memetics.

[The United Remnants of America]

SACTO - Santiago Anti-Communist Treaty Organization: Meh
UL - United Left: They're defunct, so I don't even know why I'm putting this here.
TFA - Task Force Atlas: This is a joke, but oh boy it will eventually be a thing.

I know that SACTO kind of devolved into a bunch of wannabe fascists, so they don't strike me as something to be taken particularly seriously OOC. And the other two you listed seem largely to be nonentities, soooo... nothing?

>SACTO member

[Daeseong]

SACTO - Santiago Anti-Communist Treaty Organization: Meh
UL - United Left: They're defunct, so I don't even know why I'm putting this here.
TFA - Task Force Atlas: This is a joke, but oh boy it will eventually be a thing.

I know that SACTO kind of devolved into a bunch of wannabe fascists, so they don't strike me as something to be taken particularly seriously OOC. And the other two you listed seem largely to be nonentities, soooo... nothing?

It'd be nice to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.

Just a thought.

[Vistora]

I know that SACTO kind of devolved into a bunch of wannabe fascists, so they don't strike me as something to be taken particularly seriously OOC. And the other two you listed seem largely to be nonentities, soooo... nothing?

>SACTO member

Hey, hey, hey I'm just quoting a line I saw posted by one of their own members. I guess I took it too literally, but at a glance it seems a few subgroups within SACTO have let the anti-communist portion of their agenda lead them into a few murky waters. Mebbe I just severely misconstrued what I saw.

[Vistora]

I know that SACTO kind of devolved into a bunch of wannabe fascists, so they don't strike me as something to be taken particularly seriously OOC. And the other two you listed seem largely to be nonentities, soooo... nothing?

It'd be nice to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.

Just a thought.

Uhuh... thought it was an inside joke within SACTO... guess not. Whoops. Shutting up before the torches and pitchforks arrive. Sorry 'bout that.

[United States of Conner]

>SACTO member

Hey, hey, hey I'm just quoting a line I saw posted by one of their own members. I guess I took it too literally, but at a glance it seems a few subgroups within SACTO have let the anti-communist portion of their agenda lead them into a few murky waters. Mebbe I just severely misconstrued what I saw.

Probably. Given that I'm a SACTO member and I tend to be the opposite of fascist.

Anyways, what is the equivalent of the UL nowadays?

[United States of Conner]

It'd be nice to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.

Just a thought.

Uhuh... thought it was an inside joke within SACTO... guess not. Whoops. Shutting up before the torches and pitchforks arrive. Sorry 'bout that.

*ships in flaming pitchforks*

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

UCASIRE? Is either nation in the IFC or SACTO?

UCASIRE, from my understanding, is not entirely dissimilar from being the latest iteration of the United Left, SACTO's earlier enemies.

What are some of the other major MT RP groups with a continuity with the IFC, as well as our relationship with them?

SACTO is the primary other MT RP group, and their aim is the destruction of communism, and the relationship is frightfully complicated.

Both alliances share a goal of defeating communist dictatorships, but SACTO includes nations which it is virtually impossible to consider to be free democracies, and the IFC includes nations which are social democrat or democratic socialist or inclined to view such nations as their friends, and some of the more obsessive SACTO nations consider those not anti-socialist nations to be harbouring and aiding communists.

Some SACTO members are honoured members in the IFC, including the Foreign Secretary Flardania, who I appointed; some SACTO members outside the IFC are practically in a state of cold war with some not entirely anti-socialist IFC members (e.g. Ausitoria); some SACTO members not in the IFC are anyway friends of other IFC members, and vice versa.

To complicate matters further, there's a spot of bad OOC history between various members, due to different understandings of what is an what isn't reasonable.

[The United Remnants of America]

>SACTO member

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Hey, hey, hey I'm just quoting a line I saw posted by one of their own members. I guess I took it too literally, but at a glance it seems a few subgroups within SACTO have let the anti-communist portion of their agenda lead them into a few murky waters. Mebbe I just severely misconstrued what I saw.

You did.

Also, if, in the Project Warfighter thread, I was to refer to Task Force Atlas as a bunch of assholes who wank their special forces, that's cool. I'm part of the group and I say it with love. But, it's not okay for someone not part of the group to say that, then it's not an inside joke, it's an insult.

You backpedaled nicely, though. Good job.

[The United Remnants of America]

Hey, hey, hey I'm just quoting a line I saw posted by one of their own members. I guess I took it too literally, but at a glance it seems a few subgroups within SACTO have let the anti-communist portion of their agenda lead them into a few murky waters. Mebbe I just severely misconstrued what I saw.

Probably. Given that I'm a SACTO member and I tend to be the opposite of fascist.

Anyways, what is the equivalent of the UL nowadays?

Union of Socialist Nations. USN. At least, it's made up of UL members.

But apparently this USCAIRE or whatever the Hell it is - pretenders, they sound like, are trying to take that title.