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As a Conservative voter, who should be the next president of the United States?

Donald Trump
47
24%
Ted Cruz
19
10%
Marco Rubio
7
4%
John Kasich
37
19%
I'm not a Republican supporter
82
43%
 
Total votes : 192

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:16 am


Perhaps it isn't all bad. We may finally be able to rid ourselves of the two-party system once and for all.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:33 am

Northern Davincia wrote:

Perhaps it isn't all bad. We may finally be able to rid ourselves of the two-party system once and for all.


While that may be good, I can't see any of the third parties filling in if the GOP collapses. The Democrats would have control than since their voting block is increasing. The GOP needs to restructured itself to be more moderate on some issues and not view compromise as surrendering their ideals.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:35 am

Northern Davincia wrote:Perhaps it isn't all bad. We may finally be able to rid ourselves of the two-party system once and for all.

Doubtful, but we can dream.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:38 am

Northern Davincia wrote:

Perhaps it isn't all bad. We may finally be able to rid ourselves of the two-party system once and for all.


*shrugs* We have third parties. They are such "wonderful" options. But, it's easier to claim a conspiracy by the two parties to keep them down.....
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:58 am

Given that the GOP has the House on lockdown, is competitive in the Senate, and controls most of everything below the federal level, I don't see becoming less competitive in the presidential elections causing much issue.

I hate to say it, but the Democrats are in a much more fragile position.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:24 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Perhaps it isn't all bad. We may finally be able to rid ourselves of the two-party system once and for all.


While that may be good, I can't see any of the third parties filling in if the GOP collapses. The Democrats would have control than since their voting block is increasing. The GOP needs to restructured itself to be more moderate on some issues and not view compromise as surrendering their ideals.

If the Republicans fell, the surge of popular support into the Democratic Party would cause so much stress on itself that it would collapse under its own weight.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:44 am



Many of today's Republicans don't see globalization as an investment opportunity; they see it as a malevolent force that has dimmed their prospects. They don't see the shrinking of the white majority as natural demographic evolution; they see it as a threat.


Yes! Now that right there is exactly how I view the world as well. Whoever wrote this article has nailed it at least to some extent.
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Postby Agramistania » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:49 pm

West Aurelia wrote:

You are equating a non-US citizen with a real Americans?

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Postby Collatis » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:52 pm

Agramistania wrote:
West Aurelia wrote:

You are equating a non-US citizen with a real Americans?

So foreigners' lives do not matter?

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Postby Kauthar » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:07 pm

West Aurelia wrote:

LOL hate to break it to you but there is barely any women and children, it's all young men with the occasional child here and there. As well as that, there's nothing wrong with saying All Lives Matter because the BLM movement are borderline retarded black supremacists who think it's okay to break the law.

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Agramistania wrote:You are equating a non-US citizen with a real Americans?

So foreigners' lives do not matter?

They matter in their own countries, not in ours.
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Postby Roski » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:10 pm

Kauthar wrote:
West Aurelia wrote:

LOL hate to break it to you but there is barely any women and children, it's all young men with the occasional child here and there. As well as that, there's nothing wrong with saying All Lives Matter because the BLM movement are borderline retarded black supremacists who think it's okay to break the law.

Collatis wrote:So foreigners' lives do not matter?

They matter in their own countries, not in ours.


for gods sake

the entire world is american - everyone's problems are ours.

we own this planet

there are people who think otherwise but for god sakes - this is our planet. everyone's problems are our problems.
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Postby Agramistania » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:20 pm

Collatis wrote:
Agramistania wrote:You are equating a non-US citizen with a real Americans?

So foreigners' lives do not matter?

Why should a country matter for citizens of an different country? Do they pay taxes?

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Postby Geilinor » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:27 pm

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Many of today's Republicans don't see globalization as an investment opportunity; they see it as a malevolent force that has dimmed their prospects. They don't see the shrinking of the white majority as natural demographic evolution; they see it as a threat.


Yes! Now that right there is exactly how I view the world as well. Whoever wrote this article has nailed it at least to some extent.

The writer of the article is approaching it from criticism and those views should be criticized. We can't hold ourselves back economically and socially.
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Postby Collatis » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:39 pm

Agramistania wrote:
Collatis wrote:So foreigners' lives do not matter?

Why should a country matter for citizens of an different country? Do they pay taxes?

If payment of taxes are how we decide whether someone's life matters, then 43% of Americans pay no income tax. I suppose the government should not care about them, in that case?

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Postby Khadgar » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:41 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Saiwania wrote:


Yes! Now that right there is exactly how I view the world as well. Whoever wrote this article has nailed it at least to some extent.

The writer of the article is approaching it from criticism and those views should be criticized. We can't hold ourselves back economically and socially.


Remember that you're talking to an avowed white supremacist (so probably like 12 years old). Don't waste your time.

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Postby Agramistania » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:42 pm

Collatis wrote:
Agramistania wrote:Why should a country matter for citizens of an different country? Do they pay taxes?

If payment of taxes are how we decide whether someone's life matters, then 43% of Americans pay no income tax. I suppose the government should not care about them, in that case?

Everyone pays taxes otherwise it would be illegal.

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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:45 pm

Agramistania wrote:
Collatis wrote:So foreigners' lives do not matter?

Why should a country matter for citizens of an different country? Do they pay taxes?

which is the hypocrisy of "all lives matter", eh? they don't mean it. what they mean is "only mentally healthy, well-to-do, white lives matter"
whatever

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Postby Agramistania » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:50 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Agramistania wrote:Why should a country matter for citizens of an different country? Do they pay taxes?

which is the hypocrisy of "all lives matter", eh? they don't mean it. what they mean is "only mentally healthy, well-to-do, white lives matter"

If so than ok. afterall by all lives it is mean the citizens of a particular country.

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Postby Geilinor » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:52 pm

Agramistania wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:which is the hypocrisy of "all lives matter", eh? they don't mean it. what they mean is "only mentally healthy, well-to-do, white lives matter"

If so than ok. afterall by all lives it is mean the citizens of a particular country.

No.

All lives means all human lives.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:52 pm

Agramistania wrote:
Collatis wrote:So foreigners' lives do not matter?

Why should a country matter for citizens of an different country? Do they pay taxes?

Well once they become a citizen, presumably yes. Is that complicated?

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Postby Agramistania » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:55 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Agramistania wrote:If so than ok. afterall by all lives it is mean the citizens of a particular country.

No.

All lives means all human lives.

That is impossible to make so and even the all live matter people know it. since not one country can care for all humans of the world, it is given to other countries to take a share of the duty.

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Postby Agramistania » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:56 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Agramistania wrote:Why should a country matter for citizens of an different country? Do they pay taxes?

Well once they become a citizen, presumably yes. Is that complicated?

Which they first must earn.

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Postby Collatis » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:06 pm

Agramistania wrote:
Collatis wrote:If payment of taxes are how we decide whether someone's life matters, then 43% of Americans pay no income tax. I suppose the government should not care about them, in that case?

Everyone pays taxes otherwise it would be illegal.

Not really sure what you are trying to say. At all.

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