Logical argument against Islamophobia?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

"Terrorism has no religion" has nothing to do with how much is in a religion but how it has been done by basically every religion. The KKK was Protestant, they were essentially terrorists....

Essentially? They were(and still are) terrorists. Ever notice how not having any ecclesiastical authorities tends to bring out the terrorism?

No?

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

"Terrorism has no religion" has nothing to do with how much is in a religion but how it has been done by basically every religion. The KKK was Protestant, they were essentially terrorists....

Protestants aren't real christians, Martin Luther was a heretic.

Also, you're a heretic for not worshipping the God-Emperor of Mankind!

[Henri Picard]

It never actually happened due to a lack of interest.

there's videos of it so yeah it did happen.

Notice how when reactionaries get the logical arguments they asked for they either ignore or respond only in anecdotes and news headlines. For people that pride themselves on being so cynical and rational it's amazing how much they trust such small samples and unreliable publications (the daily mail? really?).

Unreliable publications are still more reliable than zionist owned mainstream outlets.

Did he also tell you about the Islamic people cheering as they watched feed of 9/11?

Can't tell if this is sarcasm, no he didn't and if it is sarcasm it was proven that they did cheer while it happened.

If Muslism cheered because of 9/11 then why are there no videos of it?is it possible your lying?oh,no YOU ARE LYING.

[Kauthar]

You're right it's not happening but it will happen. Remember the last time natives let in millions of immigrants to their homelands? I do! It was the native american genocide!

Yeah, that was like.... How many centuries ago? Three? And under completely different circumstances. That's not a very good comparison.

You're not very good at predicting the future, sorry.

Under completely different circumstances riiiiight. Islam is still in it's renaissance era! They left their medieval era when we left our industrial era for christ's sake! It's a barbaric and primitive religion that should've been destroyed when we had the chance.

Wait... did they just accuse zionists of having a pro-Muslim bias?

Yep.

well the jews aren't going to wipe out the white race but who will? The muslims.

Even more kektacular is using "zionist" as a synonym for "islamopologist".

It's fantastic.

Zionism isn't islamopologist, the brainwashed leftists who get force fed false information are islamopologists.

[Italios]

"Terrorism has no religion" has nothing to do with how much is in a religion but how it has been done by basically every religion. The KKK was Protestant, they were essentially terrorists....

Essentially? They were(and still are) terrorists. Ever notice how not having any ecclesiastical authorities tends to bring out the terrorism?

Shit, wrong tenses. I was thinking back to the days of Jim Crow laws when they were very active.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Lo and behold, this thread turned into a Trump rally.

Nobody mentioned Donald "Baked Potato" Trump.

I trawled through this thread and basically saw more of the same that I would expect, from the people I expected.

[Tierra Prime]

Protestants aren't real christians, Martin Luther was a heretic.

Nice dodge, a Protestant would say otherwise.

Regardless, Protestanism is still some kind of religion. Ever heard of the crusades?

What's your point about the crusades referring to?

[Galloism]

Yeah, that was like.... How many centuries ago? Three? And under completely different circumstances. That's not a very good comparison.

You're not very good at predicting the future, sorry.

Under completely different circumstances riiiiight. Islam is still in it's renaissance era! They left their medieval era when we left our industrial era for christ's sake! It's a barbaric and primitive religion that should've been destroyed when we had the chance.

Yep.

well the jews aren't going to wipe out the white race but who will? The muslims.

It's fantastic.

Zionism isn't islamopologist, the brainwashed leftists who get force fed false information are islamopologists.

Do you know what zionism is?

[Mavorpen]

Yeah, that was like.... How many centuries ago? Three? And under completely different circumstances. That's not a very good comparison.

You're not very good at predicting the future, sorry.

Under completely different circumstances riiiiight. Islam is still in it's renaissance era! They left their medieval era when we left our industrial era for christ's sake! It's a barbaric and primitive religion that should've been destroyed when we had the chance.

"Primitive religion" is pretty redundant.

[Diopolis]

Protestants aren't real christians, Martin Luther was a heretic.

Nice dodge, a Protestant would say otherwise.

Regardless, Protestanism is still some kind of religion. Ever heard of the crusades?

A set of (partly defensive)political wars that got some religious overlay after the factions consolidated?

[Washington Resistance Army]

This does not and will not happen.

You're right it's not happening but it will happen. Remember the last time natives let in millions of immigrants to their homelands? I do! It was the native american genocide!

The vast majority of Natives who died (90-95%) did so from disease.

[Hyggemata]

The clearest argument against Islamophobia is that it's a phobia -- it is by definition an irrational fear of something.

[Imperializt Russia]

Those quotes about Britain are wildly out of context are the opinions of individuals.
Of course if you asked a BNP supported and a Green supporter the same question, you'd get two different answers.

It is coincidental that these high-crime areas are Muslim. What is not coincidental is that they are populated by poor immigrants with no local roots because, well, they're poor and are immigrants.
The right and their demands to "integrate", which never seems to be about actually integrating and more just a convenient cover term, seems to do nothing but try and prevent these people from integrating.

So...
Self-fulfilling prophecy if all you're going to do is blame Islam rather than confront the actual issues at play.

Oh yes because Islam isn't the problem and the fact that highly islamic areas have crime problems is just a racist nazi conspiracy

"Muslims commit crime because they are Muslim"

If only the world were so simple, we wouldn't have so many problems because they'd be so easily solved.
I think you lost the right to (badly) satirise your own position as being seen as a "racist Nazi conspiracy" when you started using racial arguments disturbingly similar to those used by the Nazis against Jews.

Talk about foot in mouth.

[Henri Picard]

This does not and will not happen.

You're right it's not happening but it will happen. Remember the last time natives let in millions of immigrants to their homelands? I do! It was the native american genocide!

Your comparing apples and oranges and insisting there the same.
Refugees=/=Warmongering conservatards

[Italios]

Yeah, that was like.... How many centuries ago? Three? And under completely different circumstances. That's not a very good comparison.

You're not very good at predicting the future, sorry.

Under completely different circumstances riiiiight. Islam is still in it's renaissance era! They left their medieval era when we left our industrial era for christ's sake! It's a barbaric and primitive religion that should've been destroyed when we had the chance.

Remember the good ol' days - the Medieval age - when Christian Europe was too concerned with religion and who owned what land? And what was going in the Muslim Middle East then? Scientific, mathematical, literary breakthroughs.... Obviously they had some in Europe too, but religion was always a step ahead....

[Kauthar]

there's videos of it so yeah it did happen.


Unreliable publications are still more reliable than zionist owned mainstream outlets.


Can't tell if this is sarcasm, no he didn't and if it is sarcasm it was proven that they did cheer while it happened.

If Muslism cheered because of 9/11 then why are there no videos of it?is it possible your lying?oh,no YOU ARE LYING.

Sorry I forgot everyone carried cameras with them in 2001.

Protestants aren't real christians, Martin Luther was a heretic.

Nice dodge, a Protestant would say otherwise.

Regardless, Protestanism is still some kind of religion. Ever heard of the crusades?

What in god's name do the crusades have anything to do with that? I don't care what a protestant would say, Catholicism is the only true form of Christianity. And the crusades were justified, considering Muslims were enslaving and raping Christians in Iberia.

[Everhall]

Yeah, that was like.... How many centuries ago? Three? And under completely different circumstances. That's not a very good comparison.

You're not very good at predicting the future, sorry.

Under completely different circumstances riiiiight. Islam is still in it's renaissance era! They left their medieval era when we left our industrial era for christ's sake! It's a barbaric and primitive religion that should've been destroyed when we had the chance.

Yep.

well the jews aren't going to wipe out the white race but who will? The muslims.

It's fantastic.

Zionism isn't islamopologist, the brainwashed leftists who get force fed false information are islamopologists.

Do you honestly think destroying an entire religion of around 1 billion people will solve anything?



No

[Italios]

If Muslism cheered because of 9/11 then why are there no videos of it?is it possible your lying?oh,no YOU ARE LYING.

Sorry I forgot everyone carried cameras with them in 2001.

Nice dodge, a Protestant would say otherwise.

Regardless, Protestanism is still some kind of religion. Ever heard of the crusades?

What in god's name do the crusades have anything to do with that? I don't care what a protestant would say, Catholicism is the only true form of Christianity. And the crusades were justified, considering Muslims were enslaving and raping Christians in Iberia.

You don't even count Orthodoxy as Christianity? Seriously? I understand your reasoning behind Protestanism.... But seriously? It's arguably closer and more similiar to the earliest forms of Christianity than Catholicism.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Nice dodge, a Protestant would say otherwise.

Regardless, Protestanism is still some kind of religion. Ever heard of the crusades?

A set of (partly defensive)political wars that got some religious overlay after the factions consolidated?

I think attempting to conquer a region multiple times that wasn't even yours to begin with is considered invasion.

You're right it's not happening but it will happen. Remember the last time natives let in millions of immigrants to their homelands? I do! It was the native american genocide!

The vast majority of Natives who died (90-95%) did so from disease.

It all makes sense now. H1N1 was caused by immigrants.

[Newzie]

Don't forget the same people who argue "terrorism has no religion" are then happy to turn around and blame anything and everything on Christians.

Like I said earlier, this is so because Christianity has come to be strongly associated with western civilization in general since the end of the Roman empire and there is nothing more that the left hates than the spiritual bedrock upon which the developed countries have traditionally had.

You're correct. We call this spiritual bedrock ideology. And it doesn't exist, because Western culture has evolved just as much as it is doing so now. Geographical influences are great as well. The West has lands historically more suitable for farming than the Tropics, Africa etc, and so developed faster. And yes, colonialism set the tone for the global development of capitalism, which is Western-made but not even 200 years old. What exactly is this spiritual bedrock? There are so many influences on how a society develops.

[Henri Picard]

Nice dodge, a Protestant would say otherwise.

Regardless, Protestanism is still some kind of religion. Ever heard of the crusades?

What's your point about the crusades referring to?

The one with all the killing

[Diopolis]

Under completely different circumstances riiiiight. Islam is still in it's renaissance era! They left their medieval era when we left our industrial era for christ's sake! It's a barbaric and primitive religion that should've been destroyed when we had the chance.

Remember the good ol' days - the Medieval age - when Christian Europe was too concerned with religion and who owned what land? And what was going in the Muslim Middle East then? Scientific, mathematical, literary breakthroughs.... Obviously they had some in Europe too, but religion was always a step ahead....

Don't forget how we spent that time stamping out slavery(whereas the mohammedans were the ones who kept it alive), defending ourselves, helping the poor, and making artistic and philosophical breakthroughs.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

You're right it's not happening but it will happen. Remember the last time natives let in millions of immigrants to their homelands? I do! It was the native american genocide!

KDo you remember the other times we were afraid of immigrants? nothing happened. Remember before that? Nothing happened. There is only one time it happened in American history and we celebrated it a few weeks ago. Also native Americans went down because of:

Guns, Germs, and Steel.

Germs were the most destructive.

First it was the Papists, then the Irish, then the Chinese and now Mexicans. Is the USA an Oriental Catholic nation of Irish-Latinos yet?

[Alvecia]

Care to provide those statistics?

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/10/15/poll-81-of-muslims-around-the-world-support-islamic-state-al-jazeera-arabic-poll/

The poll is unreliable as it was conducted by someone with a strong Pro-Islamist tendencies.
Chances are they flubbed the statistics to make it in their favour. Get another more reliable source if you want to make it believable.

Proof?

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/sweden-77-6-percent-of-all-rapes-in-the-country-committed-by-muslim-males-making-up-2-percent-of-population/

Any reports on rape from Sweden are unreliable because they have a wildly different method for logging "cases of rape".

Unlike the majority of countries in Europe, crime data in Sweden are collected when the offence in question is first reported, at which point the classification may be unclear. In Sweden, once an act has been registered as rape, it retains this classification in the published crime statistics, even if later investigations indicate that no crime can be proven or if the offence must be given an alternative judicial classification.[13][29][30]

Sweden also applies a system of expansive offence counts. Other countries may employ more restrictive methods of counting. The Swedish police registers one offence for each person raped, and if one and the same person has been raped on a number of occasions, one offence is counted for each occasion that can be specified. For example, if a woman says she has been raped by her husband every day during a year, the Swedish police may record more than 300 cases of rape. In many other countries only a single offence would be counted in such a situation

[Saiwania]

The clearest argument against Islamophobia is that it's a phobia -- it is by definition an irrational fear of something.

Only people should realize that it is perfectly rational to oppose Islam every step of the way, a system of Sharia would be inherently bad for homosexuals, for women who don't or refuse to follow Islamic rules, for non-Muslims in general, for Christians and Jews who don't or refuse to pay Jizya, for anyone who cares about freedom from religion to be quite frank. If anyone from any group that Islam targets for discrimination consistently defends Islam anyways, they are going against their own interests and are being a useful idiot to Islamists.