Logical argument against Islamophobia?

[Teemant]

Can't we all just take humanist ideas?

That means being able to criticise Islam without calls of "bigot" and "islamophobe."

I wonder why left thinks islam is that special? They have no problems with making jokes and calling names when it comes to christians and jews.

[Ratateague]

Breitbart? Wikipedia? If I tried to use these as sources in high school, I would have received an F.

[Mavorpen]

That means being able to criticise Islam without calls of "bigot" and "islamophobe."

I wonder why left thinks islam is that special? They have no problems with making jokes and calling names when it comes to christians and jews.

If it makes you feel any better, I think they're all pretty bad.

[Tierra Prime]

That means being able to criticise Islam without calls of "bigot" and "islamophobe."

I wonder why left thinks islam is that special? They have no problems with making jokes and calling names when it comes to christians and jews.

Islam isn't anything special, it's just another backwards, bigoted, faith based upon another backwards, bigoted faith (Abrahamism).

It's even worse if you consider Abraham and Zoroaster to be the same person. In that case, Zoroaster's original words were mangled to death.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

That said, I agree with parts of it, including the fact that multiculturalism simply hasn't been working

Nonsense. It works just fine. I live in a place that proves that much. If it isn't working in your specific location or country or whatever, it's because you fucked up the implementation.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

They've already been seriously debated. It's been pointed out that his fears about birth rates are not supported by evidence, and even if they were, points 3 and 4 don't necessarily follow. The only point being dismissed as absurd is point 1, because it is absurd.
Not seeing the whole "Islam protected status" here, just a lot of serious debate.

Seeing how the "debate" is just snark and irrelevant talking points, I'd have to disagree with you entirely.

So no one has replied to point 2? Because the OP hinges (in a very feeble sort of way) on that. I'm seeing responses to point 2, seems like debate to me. I'm not saying there isn't snark too, but when the OP is so easily rebutted you have to expect that.

[Teemant]

Seeing how the "debate" is just snark and irrelevant talking points, I'd have to disagree with you entirely.

So no one has replied to point 2? Because the OP hinges (in a very feeble sort of way) on that. I'm seeing responses to point 2, seems like debate to me. I'm not saying there isn't snark too, but when the OP is so easily rebutted you have to expect that.

OP point 2 is description of things that are happening right now. There isn't even much to add in my opinion.

[North Dragoria]

Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause. Muhammad's words are the basis for offensive Jihad - spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today.

Qur'an (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)"

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

[Washington Resistance Army]

Snip all this stupid shit

Are you going to add anything to the discussion or just keep shitposting random quotes and stupid pictures? Because we can do that with nigh every religion out there.

[United Trade Republics of Tilea]

Hey, I'm from Russia, and I want to tell you what normal russian think about all this.
He hates Europa and the conception of multiculturalism and he thinks in such way: "Ha! The stupid gay-ropeans let the Muslims to escape in their land! Oh, thank the God, that Putin never will allow this monkeys to live in Russia! One day you'll be killed by this Muslims, gay-ropeans! Remember my words!"
Yes, this is the way of thinking of a normal russian patriot. And though I've never liked Islam and Muslims, I'm getting sick from this point of view. One day Islamophobia may lead to way of thinking like this. I hope that this day will never come.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

So no one has replied to point 2? Because the OP hinges (in a very feeble sort of way) on that. I'm seeing responses to point 2, seems like debate to me. I'm not saying there isn't snark too, but when the OP is so easily rebutted you have to expect that.

OP point 2 is description of things that are happening right now. There isn't even much to add in my opinion.

Perhaps you could add some evidence.

[Teemant]

Snip all this stupid shit

Are you going to add anything to the discussion or just keep shitposting random quotes and stupid pictures? Because we can do that with nigh every religion out there.

This picture actually highlights the problem. Refugees must ask for asylum in first safe country.

[The Alma Mater]

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I still do not get the point of that image. Of course a refugee will flee to a place where they have a shot of a new life. Do you expect them to spend the coming 30 years or so in a refugee camp or slum just because "it is safe there" ?

[Teemant]

OP point 2 is description of things that are happening right now. There isn't even much to add in my opinion.

Perhaps you could add some evidence.

Muslim population has been rising in Europe for decades now. Isn't that evidence itself?
The refugee crisis speeds thing up even more.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Are you going to add anything to the discussion or just keep shitposting random quotes and stupid pictures? Because we can do that with nigh every religion out there.

This picture actually highlights the problem. Refugees must ask for asylum in first safe country.

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Well no shit, that's kinda what happens when you become a refugee.

[Uxupox]

I've been doing a lot of research for the past year or so and it seems that I have reached a conclusion where I want less immigrants/refugees from cultures that don't mimic a nations dominant one.

Here are some points I currently have:

1) Multiculturalism while in theory sounds great, is something only white/western societies seem to see as ideal. Is this not white suicide? I'd say suicide since they're literally doing it to themselves.

2) Due to low birthrates in these cultures an influx of "outsiders" who breed at a higher rate means that demographically they (the outsiders) will become the majority in that country as growth will increase exponentially.

3) Once a majority has been reached then democratically that country should follow the wishes of the majority of their population. Which would be the laws and traditions of the original "outsiders"

4) Bringing the failing ideologies, traditions, beliefs and way of life from failing country B to country A will turn country A into B overtime.

I have many more points, and statistics but there is already a lot here. Basically what I'm asking for is an intelligent, logical rebuttal. I unlike many others am a rational person and am willing to change my current view when presented with evidence.

Thoughts?

1.Complete bullshit
2.Birth rates of immigrants decline to the national average as education levels increase
3.The Nirvana fallacy and the "what if?" Are at work
4.Because those big bad scary non Christians are our mortal enemies,all to typical half witted conservatard arguement
If you are rational then why can you not use the internet's most basic functions?

I love it when people call degrade themselves by calling the followers of their opposite political ideology as retards, makes me warm inside.

There is no "Logical" argument against Islamophobia when the Quran calls for violence against non-believers, Muslims rape non-Muslim European women en-masse, attack European cities, and migrate en-masse to our countries.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10 ... migration/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham ... on_scandal

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11 ... alled-her/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_righ ... udi_Arabia


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Can you please spoiler that image? Also I would like to know where exactly did you get that graph. Since neither Wikipedia nor Breitbart (Who is an opinionated website) confirm your graph.

[Teemant]

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I still do not get the point of that image. Of course a refugee will flee to a place where they have a shot of a new life. Do you expect them to spend the coming 30 years or so in a refugee camp or slum just because "it is safe there" ?

So Poland, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Österreich, Slovakia, Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary, Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Albania, Macedonia and Turkey are slums? Damn.

[Ratateague]

OP point 2 is description of things that are happening right now. There isn't even much to add in my opinion.

Perhaps you could add some evidence.

Perhaps OP could provide some evidence. So far, it's just a list of unsupported points.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Perhaps you could add some evidence.

Muslim population has been rising in Europe for decades now. Isn't that evidence itself?
The refugee crisis speeds thing up even more.

No. This is point 2:

Due to low birthrates in these cultures an influx of "outsiders" who breed at a higher rate means that demographically they (the outsiders) will become the majority in that country as growth will increase exponentially.

The claim is that the rate of growth of the Muslim population will increase exponentially, and that Muslims (well, "outsiders", but the topic is Islam) will become a majority. No evidence for this happening has been provided.

[Teemant]

Muslim population has been rising in Europe for decades now. Isn't that evidence itself?
The refugee crisis speeds thing up even more.

No. This is point 2:

Due to low birthrates in these cultures an influx of "outsiders" who breed at a higher rate means that demographically they (the outsiders) will become the majority in that country as growth will increase exponentially.

The claim is that the rate of growth of the Muslim population will increase exponentially, and that Muslims (well, "outsiders", but the topic is Islam) will become a majority. No evidence for this happening has been provided.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/23/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

Look second graphic.

[Tekeristan]

Can't we all just take humanist ideas?

That means being able to criticise Islam without calls of "bigot" and "islamophobe."

If you can attack Christianity, then you can attack Islam too, it's not special any any means.

Was going more for a reference to EU4.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Can't we all just take humanist ideas?

Expansion is better

[The Empire of Pretantia]

1.Complete bullshit
2.Birth rates of immigrants decline to the national average as education levels increase
3.The Nirvana fallacy and the "what if?" Are at work
4.Because those big bad scary non Christians are our mortal enemies,all to typical half witted conservatard arguement
If you are rational then why can you not use the internet's most basic functions?

I love it when people call degrade themselves by calling the followers of their opposite political ideology as retards, makes me warm inside.

Ridicule is the appropriate response for asinine beliefs statements.

[Tierra Prime]

This picture actually highlights the problem. Refugees must ask for asylum in first safe country.

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Well no shit, that's kinda what happens when you become a refugee.

A lot of them aren't doing that though, that's the point. We also have to remember that a minority of refugees are Syrians.

This isn't about Syria any more, it's about immigration and refugees in general, and whether or not reform is needed.

[Lost heros]

No. This is point 2:



The claim is that the rate of growth of the Muslim population will increase exponentially, and that Muslims (well, "outsiders", but the topic is Islam) will become a majority. No evidence for this happening has been provided.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/23/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

Look second graphic.

There's a .6 difference in birth rates in NA and Europe where there are white majorities. Still not seeing the exponential growth