Advertisement
by Marselesk » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:35 am
Revall wrote:I will train a flock of geese for 20 years as assassins and send them to find you kleo
John Jacob wrote:Your ability to make a convincing argument based on complete bullsh*t is very impressive
Raging Zen Master wrote:As subtle as "HELLO FELLOW HUMANS, I TOO, ENJOY BREATHING OXYGEN."
Knot/Ivo wrote:Nonsense, defender budgets are set to buying cushy armchairs, not bombers!
by Jakker » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:25 am
Morndul wrote:Dedicating a raid to people's memory is the sort of thing you can only find offensive if you already believe raiding is a bad thing. Which I do believe, so I get it!
But this is clearly a genuine attempt on the part of TBH to express solidarity with the victims of the attack. It seems to me that this is two "sides" dealing with tragedy in different ways, so let's try to be respectful of each other.
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:35 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Cormac Stark » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:18 pm
Eist wrote:wow
This is like paying respects by taking a shit on your neighbour's front porch. How oblivious and self-absorbed can you people possibly be? Did nobody at all stop and think that this might have been in poor taste?
God, it's even worse than that. You're paying your respects to an innocent nation and defenceless people that was attacked by militant aggressors by aggressively attacking innocent and defenceless regions in this game. Jesus Christ...
by Guy » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:38 pm
[violet] wrote:Never underestimate the ability of admin to do nothing.
by Severisen » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:41 pm
by Cormac Stark » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:50 pm
Guy wrote:Terrorism is not raiding. Raiding is not terrorism. No one suggests that. Drop your silly propaganda hat Cormac, this is too real for that.
Guy wrote:To express solidarity by invading a French-themed region -- thus likely upsetting people associated with it, even though of course this annoyance does not compare with the destructive impact that terrorism has -- seems silly. You're not supposed to upset the people you're expressing solidarity with.
Guy wrote:I recognise that this invasion was done in a different manner to most, thus ameliorating some of the negative impact. I recognise that TBH was probably well-intentioned in doing so, though I would suggest their good intentions are misplaced here.
by Guy » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:52 pm
Severisen wrote:First of all, to my knowledge, the regions invaded weren't French.
Second, Cormac didn't put the propaganda hat on. The defenders who jumped on this did.
[violet] wrote:Never underestimate the ability of admin to do nothing.
by Lord Ravenclaw » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:56 pm
Jakker wrote:I would love to see Eist, Wordy, and Raven de-tag these regions since they are so offended. Oh wait, maybe that will be too much to ask for?
by Cormac Stark » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:04 pm
by Morndul » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:05 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:Why any reasonable, sane person is a defender these days, I have no idea. You have all lost it and should be ashamed of yourselves. I don't know what explains Ravania's lack of sanity, but that the other two defenders in this thread both received their defender indoctrination in 10000 Islands speaks volumes about how utterly nuts that region is.
Lord Ravenclaw wrote:No issues here. I've said literally zero 'bout this.
by Ramaeus » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:08 pm
by Guy » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:13 pm
Ramaeus wrote:This is a game. Step back, take a deep breath, and then post. You all are taking a tag run -- which is ultimately undone easily -- with a seriousness that isn't deserved. At its worst, this can be compared to a group which sprays graffiti with messages sympathetic to France upon buildings.
[violet] wrote:Never underestimate the ability of admin to do nothing.
by Jakker » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:23 pm
The Bruce wrote:Mostly I feel sorry for [raiders], because they put in all this effort and at the end of the day have nothing to show for it and have created nothing.
by We Are Not the NSA » Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:54 pm
Ravania Ultra wrote:Just making a few things clear.
1. I didn't bring a real life tragedy into R/D
2. Raiders always say, raiding and espacially tagging is for fun. I couldn't see the 'fun' in this.
3. There are other means to express your solidarity in my opinion.
Raiding History | Security Council | Dear Natives | TWP Raid |
by Wordy » Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:58 pm
RiderSyl wrote:
The ends justifies the meanies.
by Cormac Stark » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:05 am
Wordy wrote:@ Cormac
Why is it that absolutely every post of yours makes me think there are veins popping out of your head about to explode? You need to relax
As to my post seemingly due to coming from a region you feel is "utterly nuts" I will maintain my opinion. Spreading a message of respect while disrespecting others is in poor taste. Invaders do have more than one tool in the tool box to express themselves. I am aware that it was not done to offend but poor choice none-the-less.
by Zaolat » Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:19 am
Cormac Stark wrote:Wordy wrote:@ Cormac
Why is it that absolutely every post of yours makes me think there are veins popping out of your head about to explode? You need to relax
As to my post seemingly due to coming from a region you feel is "utterly nuts" I will maintain my opinion. Spreading a message of respect while disrespecting others is in poor taste. Invaders do have more than one tool in the tool box to express themselves. I am aware that it was not done to offend but poor choice none-the-less.
Sorry, seeing my friends compared with terrorist murderers by your friend does tend to piss me off. Maybe I do need to relax, but oddly, and call me crazy, I think the person comparing people in a game to real life terrorists may need to relax just a little bit more than I do.
by Ravania Ultra » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:15 am
by Cormac Stark » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:37 am
Ravania Ultra wrote:Let me make this very clear:
TBH was one of the raider-groups I respected cause they used to be classy. I, personally, found their way of paying respects in bad taste and absolutely not classy. So they lost that respect. End of the line.
If you want to make a reference to RL, use the spraycan-vandalism. Do I think spraying the Paris-peace-sign on private or public property a classy way of paying respects? No.
Is it a way of showing respect? Possibly, but there are enough other ways of showing respect in my opinion.
At no point I compared TBH to terrorists. Just like vandalism isn't terrorism.
by Eist » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:06 pm
Unibot III wrote:Frankly, the lows that people sink to in this game is perhaps the most disturbing thing about NationStates Gameplay.
by Morndul » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:39 pm
by We Are Not the NSA » Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:58 pm
Morndul wrote:Typing this on my phone between classes so my time to compose this is limited, but you both seem to think the other is being dishonest. And I believe that simply isn't true.
We're discussing something that some of us are very passionate about but I don't believe anyone is deliberately misrepresenting the other side.
Really I have a lot more to say than that but I hate typing on mobile.
Cormac Stark wrote:I also disagree with conflating valid gameplay -- that's what raiding is, whether you like it or not -- with real life vandalism, which is usually illegal. Comparing a valid form of gameplay to any form of real life illegal activity is way over the top. But that is certainly a lot better than conflating it with real life terrorism as Eist did, so thank you for clarifying.
Raiding History | Security Council | Dear Natives | TWP Raid |
by November ARL » Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:45 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:Ravania Ultra wrote:Let me make this very clear:
TBH was one of the raider-groups I respected cause they used to be classy. I, personally, found their way of paying respects in bad taste and absolutely not classy. So they lost that respect. End of the line.
If you want to make a reference to RL, use the spraycan-vandalism. Do I think spraying the Paris-peace-sign on private or public property a classy way of paying respects? No.
Is it a way of showing respect? Possibly, but there are enough other ways of showing respect in my opinion.
At no point I compared TBH to terrorists. Just like vandalism isn't terrorism.
I also disagree with conflating valid gameplay -- that's what raiding is, whether you like it or not -- with real life vandalism, which is usually illegal. Comparing a valid form of gameplay to any form of real life illegal activity is way over the top. But that is certainly a lot better than conflating it with real life terrorism as Eist did, so thank you for clarifying.
by Cormac Stark » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:02 pm
Eist wrote:Blah, blah, blah, I never said what you're saying I said. Blah, blah, blah.
Eist wrote:God, it's even worse than that. You're paying your respects to an innocent nation and defenceless people that was attacked by militant aggressors by aggressively attacking innocent and defenceless regions in this game. Jesus Christ...
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Huh... That's the first time I've ever seen someone argue against the graffiti comparison. I've always thought it worked pretty well.
Advertisement
Users browsing this forum: East budenhaven, The Kharkivan Cossacks
Advertisement