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by Shellbubalooville » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:24 am
by Galloism » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:42 am
Zapato wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:This time we should just imprison them though instead of giving in to their demands.
Their demand being, "End domestic violence" and "Make domestic violence an issue for the state". Around 1400 women have been killed by their current or former partners over the last decade, their demand is that this stops and the number of women killed are reduced. But you think it's best not to give in to their demands??
by Zapato » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:47 am
Galloism wrote:Zapato wrote:Their demand being, "End domestic violence" and "Make domestic violence an issue for the state". Around 1400 women have been killed by their current or former partners over the last decade, their demand is that this stops and the number of women killed are reduced. But you think it's best not to give in to their demands??
It's fair to note that feminists often want the government to intervene in behalf of female victims of domestic violence, but are generally silent on the male victims of domestic violence. They even make sure that all their rhetoric includes only female victims, so as to push a gendered narrative towards domestic violence.
For instance, and this may be some American Exceptionalism and all that, for every 100 women killed by their spouses in the United States, 75 men are.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... E3B.f03t02
Yes, you never hear anyone say that - ever. Hell, you don't even MENTION all the men who have been killed.
In fact, we have documented evidence of feminists using career threats, funding threats, and even bomb threats to prevent evidence of the gender symmetry of Domestic VIolence from being recognized, and how effective it's been.
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:49 am
Zapato wrote:Galloism wrote:It's fair to note that feminists often want the government to intervene in behalf of female victims of domestic violence, but are generally silent on the male victims of domestic violence. They even make sure that all their rhetoric includes only female victims, so as to push a gendered narrative towards domestic violence.
For instance, and this may be some American Exceptionalism and all that, for every 100 women killed by their spouses in the United States, 75 men are.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... E3B.f03t02
Yes, you never hear anyone say that - ever. Hell, you don't even MENTION all the men who have been killed.
In fact, we have documented evidence of feminists using career threats, funding threats, and even bomb threats to prevent evidence of the gender symmetry of Domestic VIolence from being recognized, and how effective it's been.
And for that reason, the State should ignore their demands to reduce violence and they should be imprisoned?
by Galloism » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:50 am
Zapato wrote:Galloism wrote:It's fair to note that feminists often want the government to intervene in behalf of female victims of domestic violence, but are generally silent on the male victims of domestic violence. They even make sure that all their rhetoric includes only female victims, so as to push a gendered narrative towards domestic violence.
For instance, and this may be some American Exceptionalism and all that, for every 100 women killed by their spouses in the United States, 75 men are.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... E3B.f03t02
Yes, you never hear anyone say that - ever. Hell, you don't even MENTION all the men who have been killed.
In fact, we have documented evidence of feminists using career threats, funding threats, and even bomb threats to prevent evidence of the gender symmetry of Domestic VIolence from being recognized, and how effective it's been.
And for that reason, the State should ignore their demands to reduce violence and they should be imprisoned?
by The Huskar Social Union » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:50 am
So taking this to the awesome quotes thread.
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:51 am
Zapato wrote:Galloism wrote:It's fair to note that feminists often want the government to intervene in behalf of female victims of domestic violence, but are generally silent on the male victims of domestic violence. They even make sure that all their rhetoric includes only female victims, so as to push a gendered narrative towards domestic violence.
For instance, and this may be some American Exceptionalism and all that, for every 100 women killed by their spouses in the United States, 75 men are.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... E3B.f03t02
Yes, you never hear anyone say that - ever. Hell, you don't even MENTION all the men who have been killed.
In fact, we have documented evidence of feminists using career threats, funding threats, and even bomb threats to prevent evidence of the gender symmetry of Domestic VIolence from being recognized, and how effective it's been.
And for that reason, the State should ignore their demands to reduce violence and they should be imprisoned?
by Zapato » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:52 am
by Galloism » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:53 am
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:57 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Their demand being not to acknowledge domestic violence against men. Funny how you ignored that aspect of it and went right on back to gynocentralizing the discussion by waffling about women victims.
by Zapato » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:00 pm
Galloism wrote:Zapato wrote:And for that reason, the State should ignore their demands to reduce violence and they should be imprisoned?
No - the state should ignore their demands to treat DV as a gendered problem, and treat it more like a standard criminal problem where either party can be the perpetrator or the victim.
Unlike now, where a male victim of domestic violence is more likely to be arrested than his female perpetrator.
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:00 pm
by The Huskar Social Union » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:02 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Zapato wrote:I expect that he's trying to defend Ostroeuropa's position, and that's the argument made.
I expect that you're one of the people who like to obfuscate clear and present problems with feminist practice by constructing men from enough straw to keep the entire farm awake at night.
by Galloism » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:02 pm
Zapato wrote:Galloism wrote:No - the state should ignore their demands to treat DV as a gendered problem, and treat it more like a standard criminal problem where either party can be the perpetrator or the victim.
Unlike now, where a male victim of domestic violence is more likely to be arrested than his female perpetrator.
In Spain? No.
Intimate partner homicide account for around 85% of all murders of women in Spain, while at the same time 5–8% of all murders of men. While it shouldn't be ignored (and nobody says that it should), it is disproportionately affecting women to a large extent, making it a gendered problem.
by Zapato » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:02 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Zapato wrote:I expect that he's trying to defend Ostroeuropa's position, and that's the argument made.
No it isn't. I explicitly rejected your strawman the first time you brought it up and said their demand for domestic violence conversation to be gendered should be ignored and the violent should be imprisoned. Not their demand for an end to violence against women.
I suppose being a disingenuous liar is all you've got left though when you defend a bunch of disingenuous liars. But hey, at least you're not a violent thug too. Kudos.
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:05 pm
Zapato wrote:Galloism wrote:No - the state should ignore their demands to treat DV as a gendered problem, and treat it more like a standard criminal problem where either party can be the perpetrator or the victim.
Unlike now, where a male victim of domestic violence is more likely to be arrested than his female perpetrator.
In Spain? No.
Intimate partner homicide account for around 85% of all murders of women in Spain, while at the same time 5–8% of all murders of men. While it shouldn't be ignored (and nobody says that it should), it is disproportionately affecting women to a large extent, making it a gendered problem.
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:07 pm
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I expect that you're one of the people who like to obfuscate clear and present problems with feminist practice by constructing men from enough straw to keep the entire farm awake at night.
DI please stop with the ownage. A man can only take so much.
by The Huskar Social Union » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:08 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:DI please stop with the ownage. A man can only take so much.
Silly Huskar, men both can and should take absolutely everything that is thrown at them - metaphorically or physically; after all, it's only women who can be victims of violence and assault.
by Sanic teh Hegehog » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:12 pm
by Shellbubalooville » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:17 pm
Sanic teh Hegehog wrote:"- non-violence and the eradication of violence against women"
Well, not to be a jerk here, but if you're really pushing for equal rights here, go for eradication against both(All? I don't know.) genders, not just women. Lots of domestic violence victims are men.
by Galloism » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:18 pm
Shellbubalooville wrote:Sanic teh Hegehog wrote:"- non-violence and the eradication of violence against women"
Well, not to be a jerk here, but if you're really pushing for equal rights here, go for eradication against both(All? I don't know.) genders, not just women. Lots of domestic violence victims are men.
Feminism takes issues such as violence and approaches it from the female (or self identified female) perspective and fights to solve the situation from our end. Of course, violence against anyone should be stopped, but there's nothing wrong with feminism fighting to stop violence against women - as much as it is wrong for LGBT to be fighting against violence against LGBT people, or people of color doing the same thing. And these movements for the most part have an idea of the bigger picture, they just tackle it from their corner.
by Galloism » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:19 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:DI please stop with the ownage. A man can only take so much.
Silly Huskar, men both can and should take absolutely everything that is thrown at them - metaphorically or physically; after all, it's only women who can be victims of violence and assault.
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:20 pm
Shellbubalooville wrote:Sanic teh Hegehog wrote:"- non-violence and the eradication of violence against women"
Well, not to be a jerk here, but if you're really pushing for equal rights here, go for eradication against both(All? I don't know.) genders, not just women. Lots of domestic violence victims are men.
Feminism takes issues such as violence and approaches it from the female (or self identified female) perspective and fights to solve the situation from our end. Of course, violence against anyone should be stopped, but there's nothing wrong with feminism fighting to stop violence against women - as much as it is wrong for LGBT to be fighting against violence against LGBT people, or people of color doing the same thing. And these movements for the most part have an idea of the bigger picture, they just tackle it from their corner.
by Vashtanaraada » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:21 pm
Galloism wrote:Shellbubalooville wrote:Feminism takes issues such as violence and approaches it from the female (or self identified female) perspective and fights to solve the situation from our end. Of course, violence against anyone should be stopped, but there's nothing wrong with feminism fighting to stop violence against women - as much as it is wrong for LGBT to be fighting against violence against LGBT people, or people of color doing the same thing. And these movements for the most part have an idea of the bigger picture, they just tackle it from their corner.
So why do many feminists work so hard to prevent any recognition of violence against men by women, if they recognize it happens?
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:22 pm
Shellbubalooville wrote:Sanic teh Hegehog wrote:"- non-violence and the eradication of violence against women"
Well, not to be a jerk here, but if you're really pushing for equal rights here, go for eradication against both(All? I don't know.) genders, not just women. Lots of domestic violence victims are men.
Feminism takes issues such as violence and approaches it from the female (or self identified female) perspective and fights to solve the situation from our end. Of course, violence against anyone should be stopped, but there's nothing wrong with feminism fighting to stop violence against women - as much as it is wrong for LGBT to be fighting against violence against LGBT people, or people of color doing the same thing. And these movements for the most part have an idea of the bigger picture, they just tackle it from their corner.
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