Regional Officer rollout - [Bug Reports ONLY]

[Kaboomlandia]

FYI, this also shows me as RO for every region in existence doing the beta testing.

[Elke and Elba]

When using the Admin page to eject or banject people, it doesn't seem to be showing influence cost (like leaving the cost blank), or the entire influence cost have nothing at all.

The only one which seems to work is checking how much it will be banjecting/ejecting myself.

[[violet]]

http://www.nationstates.net/page=region_control/region=snazzy#polls does not link to the polls section. The <h#> element is <h2> instead of <h3> and the id is "borders" instead of "polls". The border control does not have an id, nor does the officers part.

On http://www.nationstates.net/page=region ... ion=snazzy There is on line 144 a stray </a> tag

Fixed all except the h2/h3 difference, which is deliberate (headings are h2 when you have authority over a section and h3 when you don't).

[[violet]]

If you load the regional admin page of a founderless region, you get the option to "Show ex-nation" If you click it, it shows the nation. The text for "Show ex-nation" remains the same, but clicking it hides the nation once again.

Fixed, thanks.

[[violet]]

In the drop down box when I want to add a new officer, I see nations that are no longer in my region listed.

Non-residents no longer appear in the drop-down box.

[[violet]]

When I want to move a new officer at the bottom of the order up a spot, on the first click I get the "Promoted {nation} ({title}) up the display order" message at the top of the screen, but the nation is still on the bottom. On the second click, I get the message again, and this time they move up a spot.

There was a bug with this yesterday, so it might be already fixed. However, it is possible to get this effect in regions where the Founder or Delegate also has another office.

Example: a nation is "Minister of Parties," which is the third officer displayed in the list, and they become Delegate, so now they are displayed at the top of the list, as "Delegate" first and then "Minister of Parties." But the position of Minister of Parties is preserved internally, so they can drop back to the correct place if necessary. HOWEVER, if in the meantime you shift up the fourth placed officer, it may not seem to move, because it has only leapfrogged "Minister of Parties," which is currently being displayed out of order at the top.

I'm sure that made no sense whatsoever.

[[violet]]

I'm in charge of polls over at TRR. We've been holding a series of polls over the last few weeks that last 1 day each. I was just made an RO about 2 hours ago. I tried to publish a poll for a duration of 1 day but got an error message that said "You haven't held office long enough to publish a flash poll. Please choose a longer duration." I'm not sure if that was intended so I'm reporting it anyways.

EDIT: After further screwing around it seems I can't publish a poll that is less than 3 days long.

As with Delegates, newly-appointed Officers can't make short polls. I can't quite remember why not; I guess as an anti-invader thing? But you must have held office for any amount of time to call a 3 day poll, 1 day to call a 2 day poll, and 2 days to call a 1 day poll.

[[violet]]

FYI, this also shows me as RO for every region in existence doing the beta testing.

This was a temporary bug, since fixed.

[[violet]]

Breaking Stuff

Founder is non-executive. I have Delegate seat on improving Wordiness so have executive rights. I cannot ban / eject nations unless I designate this nation with Border Control. Same goes for polls, communication, appearance, embassies. I can give this nation those powers but acting as executive does not automatically include those. It may be that was done on purpose?

Right. A nation with Executive power can modify their own authority, so in a practical sense, there's no denying them any other controls. But you can actually grant the Delegacy only Executive power, meaning they can appoint other officers and modify authorities but not do anything else.

[[violet]]

It says '+1 more' but it should be '+3 more'.

Fixed.

[[violet]]

To clarify on this issue raised in the main thread, we've done some testing with a non-WA nation with enough influence to change the region's password and the problem appears to be exclusive to this nation, Gallade.

When attempting to change the region's password/eject a nation I get the following message (phone lacks ability to screengrab, apologies):

"You have been ejected from the World Assembly. Although you retain Delegate status until the next administrative update, you cannot make changes to your region."

Oh, that's an interesting one! Confirmed bug: nations who have been ejected from the WA for rule violations can't do anything when appointed as Officers. May take a little while to fix.

[[violet]]

When I enter the region's name and hit enter on my keyboard, it does not take me to the admin page of that reason. Instead, hitting enter almost caused me to withdraw an embassy (good thing for the pop-up box).

This is actually a long-standing bug unrelated to Regional Officers, but yes, should be fixed.

[[violet]]

When using the Admin page to eject or banject people, it doesn't seem to be showing influence cost (like leaving the cost blank), or the entire influence cost have nothing at all.

The only one which seems to work is checking how much it will be banjecting/ejecting myself.

Anyone else getting this? It works for me.

This is when your nation E&E selects a nation from the drop-down down Eject/Ban box, right? And you get no text in "Influence Cost Estimate"?

[Improving Wordiness]

Either Ejecting or Ejecting & Banning The Republic of Princess from the region would consume about 20% of your influence.

Influence cost seems to be working fine.

[Cresenthia]

This may or may not be a bug. When changing the permissions for WA delegate, in a region where I do not reside but am Founder, I'm able to take away all access except WA, but when I save my modifications, the delegate has WA and executive privleges as expected. http://imgur.com/s1uDYV2

EDIT: Another potentially related bug. I'm able to request embassies with a region with whom we are building an embassy. http://i.imgur.com/7MQYJua.png

[Sedgistan]

This may or may not be a bug. When changing the permissions for WA delegate, in a region where I do not reside but am Founder, I'm able to take away all access except WA, but when I save my modifications, the delegate has WA and executive privleges as expected. http://imgur.com/s1uDYV2

No bug. If the founder is not resident in the region, the Delegate automatically has Executive status.

[Elke and Elba]

Either Ejecting or Ejecting & Banning The Republic of Princess from the region would consume about 20% of your influence.

Influence cost seems to be working fine.

I tried to replicate the bug, but it seems like the bug solved itself

I was testing to see how much it would cost to eject the Elba (theoretically 0%) and South Titania (>100%) just now, but the system gave me "Ejecting the Elba from the region would consume about" message (without % and other stuff) and no words at all for South Titania.

But it's all fine now.

[Cresenthia]

This may or may not be a bug. When changing the permissions for WA delegate, in a region where I do not reside but am Founder, I'm able to take away all access except WA, but when I save my modifications, the delegate has WA and executive privleges as expected. http://imgur.com/s1uDYV2

No bug. If the founder is not resident in the region, the Delegate automatically has Executive status.

The bug part is that it will let me take it away (through the check boxes), and then it displays that the delegate only has WA authority at the top, but lower down, it shows executive and WA powers.

[Esternial]

Not sure if a bug or these things take time to change, but:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=region ... y#officers

KoloToure left the region, yet is still listed as an officer.

[The Blaatschapen]

Not sure if a bug or these things take time to change, but:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=region ... y#officers

KoloToure left the region, yet is still listed as an officer.

Not a bug, but a (controversial) feature

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

No bug. If the founder is not resident in the region, the Delegate automatically has Executive status.

The bug part is that it will let me take it away (through the check boxes), and then it displays that the delegate only has WA authority at the top, but lower down, it shows executive and WA powers.

That's how it's intended to work. You can specify you want them taken away, and that will be in effect whenever you are in the region.

[Zemnaya Svoboda]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=regio ... th_pacific now renders exactly the same thing as https://www.nationstates.net/page=regio ... th_pacific for me.

This is a bug because this is there are several pieces of non-secret information only visible through the actual region control page:

1. The World Factbook Entry bbcode (Technically this is also recoverable from the API, but this is the only way for people who don't know how to parse XML).
2. The influence it would cost you to do various actions if you were Delegate.

The region control page was hidden once before, and restored following discussion. At that time, the region control page was also the only way to see the regional banlist.

Edit: I surmise the influence checking feature has been hidden as part of these changes. I can't see it in region_control with a founder nation, either, so I'm guessing it was rewritten to behave differently for Delegates and appointed Officers, and for the sake of simplicity was disabled entirely for non-officers.

[Polldger]

Confirming (non?) bug, but thought you should know given the unique mechanics.

Either Ejecting or Ejecting & Banning The Aerial Observer of Crisisies from the region would consume about 0% of your influence.

Seconds ago: The Warzone Codger of Polldger ejected and banned The Aerial Observer of Crisisies from the region.

I have only been in Warzone Airspace for 3 days. Crisisies has the highest influence in the region. As I was able to kick ban him, it means standard Warzone mechanics where you don't need influence still apply.

(Also kick banning him does not effect his status as RO as I guess only the delegate can do that)

[Europe and Asia]

Bug I just noticed. When I attempt to exercise any of the powers from being an officer I get this message:

"You have been ejected from the World Assembly. Although you retain Delegate status until the next administrative update, you cannot make changes to your region."

I was ejected from the WA for various reasons, but two years ago. I haven't held any WA position since. I've tried using the founder account (five of us have access to it) to dismiss myself and then reinstate myself, which did not work. I did give a puppet of mine the same powers I had, and it could exercise them fine.

I suspect this is related to my ejection from the WA, as my puppet was never banned from the WA.

[The Blaatschapen]

Bug I just noticed. When I attempt to exercise any of the powers from being an officer I get this message:

"You have been ejected from the World Assembly. Although you retain Delegate status until the next administrative update, you cannot make changes to your region."

I was ejected from the WA for various reasons, but two years ago. I haven't held any WA position since. I've tried using the founder account (five of us have access to it) to dismiss myself and then reinstate myself, which did not work. I did give a puppet of mine the same powers I had, and it could exercise them fine.

I suspect this is related to my ejection from the WA, as my puppet was never banned from the WA.

To clarify on this issue raised in the main thread, we've done some testing with a non-WA nation with enough influence to change the region's password and the problem appears to be exclusive to this nation, Gallade.

When attempting to change the region's password/eject a nation I get the following message (phone lacks ability to screengrab, apologies):

"You have been ejected from the World Assembly. Although you retain Delegate status until the next administrative update, you cannot make changes to your region."

Oh, that's an interesting one! Confirmed bug: nations who have been ejected from the WA for rule violations can't do anything when appointed as Officers. May take a little while to fix.

This has been confirmed a few posts above yours by [v].