USSR or Third Reich

[Constantinopolis]

Which one is a greater exercise in "free will" - telling your friends that Stalin sucks ****, or inviting your friends to smoke pot with you? One of them gets you arrested in Stalin's USSR, the other one gets you arrested in the present-day US.

Depends on where you go in the US.

And id rather tell everyone that Stalin sucks the biggest of dicks then smoke Pot any damn day of the week.

Fair enough.

I'm not a Stalinist. My only intention is to defend Stalin's USSR from the more outrageous accusations. But I'm not going to claim that his regime was in any way, shape or form, good.

[The balkens]

Depends on where you go in the US.

And id rather tell everyone that Stalin sucks the biggest of dicks then smoke Pot any damn day of the week.

Fair enough.

I'm not a Stalinist. My only intention is to defend Stalin's USSR from the more outrageous accusations. But I'm not going to claim that his regime was in any way, shape or form, good.

Id rather defend Catherine the greats Russia then that.

[Gim]

At least, Stalin doesn't burn people inside furnaces of concentration camps.

[Blorbs]

I'd have to say soviet russia, fascism has too much eugenics, and both had dictatorships with low-semi low standards of living and censorship, also much of the USSR is further in the future so we get better technology and to a pretty reasonable extent better standards of living from a direct comparison.

Also VIDEO GAMES!
Unless however I was forced to live in the USSR when Nazi Germany existed at the same time, in which case

[Blorbs]

At least, Stalin doesn't burn people inside furnaces of concentration camps.

He did lead to more deaths though

[Uxupox]

At least, Stalin doesn't burn people inside furnaces of concentration camps.

Both sides were horrific but Hitler's methods of killing were brutal and efficient.

[Gim]

At least, Stalin doesn't burn people inside furnaces of concentration camps.

Both sides were horrific but Hitler's methods of killing were brutal and efficient.

I'd rather die as painlessly as possible. Brutal killing would be worse, if I were to die in both Stalinist or Hitlerian nations.

[Uxupox]

Both sides were horrific but Hitler's methods of killing were brutal and efficient.

I'd rather die as painlessly as possible. Brutal killing would be worse, if I were to die in both Stalinist or Hitlerian nations.

I'd rather not die at all.

[Gim]

I'd rather die as painlessly as possible. Brutal killing would be worse, if I were to die in both Stalinist or Hitlerian nations.

I'd rather not die at all.

Well, just as the OP says, if you were to choose between the two, then I'd go with the one that makes me die as comfortably as possible.

[Xanatau]

Since I'm of part-German heritage my self, National Socialist Germany, and I'm not even Aryan. If I lived in the Soviet Union, I'd be sent to work in the GULAGs or conscripted to be cannon fodder for German lead. I'm also not content to just sit around and watch the world go to hell around me so I'd probably volunteer to fight in the Wehrmacht. I would rather fight on the Eastern Front, as brutal as the fighting was. Then again, if I was considered sub-human by the party like we learned about in school then I'm screwed.

[Herrebrugh]

Since I'm of part-German heritage my self, National Socialist Germany, and I'm not even Aryan. If I lived in the Soviet Union, I'd be sent to work in the GULAGs or conscripted to be cannon fodder for German lead. I'm also not content to just sit around and watch the world go to hell around me so I'd probably volunteer to fight in the Wehrmacht. I would rather fight on the Eastern Front, as brutal as the fighting was. Then again, if I was considered sub-human by the party like we learned about in school then I'm screwed.

In the Wehrmacht you'd have front row seats for watching the world go to hell.

[Constantinopolis]

At least, Stalin doesn't burn people inside furnaces of concentration camps.

He did lead to more deaths though

That's highly debatable.

But, even if true, it's like saying that Buddhists killed more people than Scientologists (which is absolutely true, by the way), and therefore Buddhism is worse and more violent than Scientology.

Of course the older, larger, and more long-lasting country/regime/religion/whatever killed more people than the younger, smaller, shorter-lived country/regime/religion/whatever that never got a chance to fully implement its plans.

[Gim]

Since I'm of part-German heritage my self, National Socialist Germany, and I'm not even Aryan. If I lived in the Soviet Union, I'd be sent to work in the GULAGs or conscripted to be cannon fodder for German lead. I'm also not content to just sit around and watch the world go to hell around me so I'd probably volunteer to fight in the Wehrmacht. I would rather fight on the Eastern Front, as brutal as the fighting was. Then again, if I was considered sub-human by the party like we learned about in school then I'm screwed.

In the Wehrmacht you'd have front row seats for watching the world go to hell.

Flee to Switzerland?

[Herrebrugh]

In the Wehrmacht you'd have front row seats for watching the world go to hell.

Flee to Switzerland?

Sounds good to me. I'd prefer to get the hell out of Netherland as well before the hunger winter and forced labour would strike.

[Gim]

Flee to Switzerland?

Sounds good to me. I'd prefer to get the hell out of Netherland as well before the hunger winter and forced labour would strike.

Well, there goes my opportunity to get some high-quality crepes.

[Alkarzia]

Both were absolutely horrific places to during the war. Being Irish, I'm not sure if I were to be actively persecuted in either, to be honest, so I'm going to draw up four time periods of when I'd want to live where:

1930s-1940: Nazi Germany. No further comment.
1940-1945: Hard choice. Ultimately, better survival odds are in Nazi Germany. I'd choose there.
1945-1950: Soviet Union. It is stabilised at this point. I'd probably being living in Russia at this point. Might be a journalist studying the Soviets.
Post-1950: By this point, Nazi Germany no longer exists, so it's split into East Germany vs. Rest of the USSR. I'd choose East Germany. Better odds of crossing the border to the west.

If I was going to die, I'd choose Nazi Germany. I'm not in the best physical shape, so I'd be sent straight to the gas chamber. Death is horrific, but I'd rather spend 20 minutes in pain than weeks or months dying of starvation (these were the most common ways of dying for a quote-civilian-unquote in Nazi Germany or the USSR, respectively, AFAIK).

Now, onto discussing this thread-

Both states were horrific pieces of shit, and I can't believe people on the forum were/are actively accusing people of being stupid for choosing one or the other, considering how genocide and being a police state was the general trend for both of them. Ukraine had it especially tough, and so did Jews.

Removing either from history would have catastrophic effects on history and the world would be a much different place. Even removing both might make the world a shitter place to live in.

A lot of the posts in this thread (not all of them, just a lot) are non-constructive arguments about how "my state which makes people suffer is better than your state which makes people suffer". At least argue respectively, and talk about facts, not the naive statements your extremely opinionated high school history teacher made you learn. Many victims of these states may be dead, that doesn't mean they don't deserve the respect of having a civil discussion based on their experiences.

[American Imperial Union]

Nazis. I'm of germanic origin, blonde hair and blue eyes.
If I was a jew, minority or a pedophile I'd choose the Soviet Union.

That being said, whether a soldier or civilian your chances of survival are better in Germany. The soviet union was much harsher to its people and far more oppressive than Hitler. This isn't just the soviet union of 1970 or something. This is Stalin's Soviet union we are talking about.

[Hollorous]

The USSR did in fact have things like movies and plays.

yeah, boring ones

Dude.

"Come and See"

Arguably the best war film of all time. Probably my favorite at any rate.

Respectfully, your point is negated. =)

[Gim]

Nazis. I'm of germanic origin, blonde hair and blue eyes.
If I was a jew, minority or a pedophile I'd choose the Soviet Union.

That being said, whether a soldier or civilian your chances of survival are better in Germany. The soviet union was much harsher to its people and far more oppressive than Hitler. This isn't just the soviet union of 1970 or something. This is Stalin's Soviet union we are talking about.

Do you realize the USSR is an atheist nation that served only Stalin during its early years? Jews would be sent to gulag for painful toils for their lifetime.

[United Marxist Nations]

Fair enough.

I'm not a Stalinist. My only intention is to defend Stalin's USSR from the more outrageous accusations. But I'm not going to claim that his regime was in any way, shape or form, good.

Id rather defend Catherine the greats Russia then that.

Her Russia was objectively worse than Stalin's.

[Justin States 3]

I'd like my oppression in red, thank you very much

Will be siged.

[The New Fandom Republic]

USSR hands down I'd rather fight with the reds.

[American Imperial Union]

Nazis. I'm of germanic origin, blonde hair and blue eyes.
If I was a jew, minority or a pedophile I'd choose the Soviet Union.

That being said, whether a soldier or civilian your chances of survival are better in Germany. The soviet union was much harsher to its people and far more oppressive than Hitler. This isn't just the soviet union of 1970 or something. This is Stalin's Soviet union we are talking about.

Do you realize the USSR is an atheist nation that served only Stalin during its early years? Jews would be sent to gulag for painful toils for their lifetime.

Didn't stop polishim jews swimming to the Soviet sector after 1939 to avoid nazis.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

USSR, I suppose. Despite being a blond-haired, blue-eyed, six foot tall Germanic guy. Less chance of getting firebombed there, and if you really want to stack up the morality of both states, I think the Soviets might just inch out on top.

Plus, fuck capitalism.

[Gim]

Do you realize the USSR is an atheist nation that served only Stalin during its early years? Jews would be sent to gulag for painful toils for their lifetime.

Didn't stop polishim jews swimming to the Soviet sector after 1939 to avoid nazis.

Well, it's really their misconception. I'm sure many of them were killed once they got to the Red Zone.