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by Wadden-Amrum » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:34 am
Dree wrote:Perhaps the fat man from the north pole and his vertically challenged cronies are behind such an assassination attempt.
But truthfully my spy networks have heard nothing.
by Remnants of Exilvania » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:35 am
by Wadden-Amrum » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:38 am
Dree wrote:Perhaps the fat man from the north pole and his vertically challenged cronies are behind such an assassination attempt.
But truthfully my spy networks have heard nothing.
by Kosovo12345 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:44 am
by Wadden-Amrum » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:47 am
Dree wrote:Perhaps the fat man from the north pole and his vertically challenged cronies are behind such an assassination attempt.
But truthfully my spy networks have heard nothing.
by Grayskull Knights » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:53 am
Kazinstan wrote:Grayskull Knights wrote:I'm Saudi Arabia. Looks like the two of us are gonna be either best pals or mortal enemies when the IC thread is posted. I hope to be pals (both IC wise and OOC wise) but eh, such is the nature of empires
Ha, true. Yeah! We could be. Maybe IC a small purge of the SSNP is needed to eliminate those northern Saudi-claimants. Definitely OOC though.
Your Arabia is a lot different to the one in real-life by the looks of it, a Sultanate rather than a Kingdom. That could be pretty interesting in terms of relations.
by Kazinstan » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:06 am
Grayskull Knights wrote:It's definitely more progressive, but it's nationalistic. Kind of like an early version of the US. Depending on who owns what in the Middle East and who's jumping in on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, this will determine world relations
by Remnants of Exilvania » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:14 am
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Please reserve WW1 Germanies eastern parts.
by Grayskull Knights » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:48 pm
Kazinstan wrote:Wadden-Amrum wrote:Have fun with that. He is pretty old now.
20 years older than real life, but still pretty old. Not impossible, but Che'd already be dead. But since it's not happened yet, he wouldn't be. All very confusing. You could make it so Fidel was born in 1946/1956 rather than 1926 so he's the same age as real life. Ha.Grayskull Knights wrote:It's definitely more progressive, but it's nationalistic. Kind of like an early version of the US. Depending on who owns what in the Middle East and who's jumping in on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, this will determine world relations
Yeah. If it's Arab nationalist then Syria and Arabia could get along very well since they're both Arab nationalist nations but if it's more 'We are the true Arabia! Everyone else is fake!' then it'd be rather hard to co-operate.
Syria occupies Lebanon at the moment and shares an extensive border with Israel, it also 'supports' the PLO however certain politicians would claim Palestine as part of Syria.
Hopefully there is some room for co-operation between the Arabians and Syria though. Woo.
by Kazinstan » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:00 pm
Grayskull Knights wrote:Kazinstan wrote:20 years older than real life, but still pretty old. Not impossible, but Che'd already be dead. But since it's not happened yet, he wouldn't be. All very confusing. You could make it so Fidel was born in 1946/1956 rather than 1926 so he's the same age as real life. Ha.
Yeah. If it's Arab nationalist then Syria and Arabia could get along very well since they're both Arab nationalist nations but if it's more 'We are the true Arabia! Everyone else is fake!' then it'd be rather hard to co-operate.
Syria occupies Lebanon at the moment and shares an extensive border with Israel, it also 'supports' the PLO however certain politicians would claim Palestine as part of Syria.
Hopefully there is some room for co-operation between the Arabians and Syria though. Woo.
The TL;DR version of my nations beliefs "It's about time the West and East stop making fun of us. This whole authoritative monarchy? Yeah, gone now. We've got cash, crude, and cultural influence, let's use it!" Sully's plan on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is to make a whole new state in which Jews and Palestinians have equal rights and footing. One of the more ironic double standards is this "The age in which "one people, one nation" is no more. There are many countries with a variety of cultural groups. Every successful state that I have seen operates on this principle: "The land belongs to those who are willing to help their neighbor, and stand up to defend it." The Age of Nationalism is over." (He says, as nationalism is the sole reason the Sultanate exists) He'll probably invite up a few of the regional powers (Jordan, Turkey, and you) to his coronation. Along with several Western and Eastern ambassadors of countries who rely upon Arab crude. Maybe that could be the perfect start of an IC post. Showing the rise of new nations and the old nations fighting desperately to stay in power...?
by Arvenia » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:07 pm
Kazinstan wrote:Grayskull Knights wrote:The TL;DR version of my nations beliefs "It's about time the West and East stop making fun of us. This whole authoritative monarchy? Yeah, gone now. We've got cash, crude, and cultural influence, let's use it!" Sully's plan on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is to make a whole new state in which Jews and Palestinians have equal rights and footing. One of the more ironic double standards is this "The age in which "one people, one nation" is no more. There are many countries with a variety of cultural groups. Every successful state that I have seen operates on this principle: "The land belongs to those who are willing to help their neighbor, and stand up to defend it." The Age of Nationalism is over." (He says, as nationalism is the sole reason the Sultanate exists) He'll probably invite up a few of the regional powers (Jordan, Turkey, and you) to his coronation. Along with several Western and Eastern ambassadors of countries who rely upon Arab crude. Maybe that could be the perfect start of an IC post. Showing the rise of new nations and the old nations fighting desperately to stay in power...?
That sounds like a fantastic idea. Instead of becoming another eastern satellite like I was planning to do with Syria, we could form a new sort of middle eastern bloc. That's very interesting. Not sure how the anti-Nationalism would work with the Ba'athist Arab nationalist beliefs although the Syrian Ba'athists are less traditional Ba'athist and more neo-Ba'athist which kind of ditches pan-Arabism.
I think that'd be an interesting idea, creating a new Arab bloc, a bit like the non-aligned bloc in real life founded by Nasser.
by Wadden-Amrum » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:09 pm
Dree wrote:Perhaps the fat man from the north pole and his vertically challenged cronies are behind such an assassination attempt.
But truthfully my spy networks have heard nothing.
by Grayskull Knights » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:34 pm
Kazinstan wrote:Grayskull Knights wrote:The TL;DR version of my nations beliefs "It's about time the West and East stop making fun of us. This whole authoritative monarchy? Yeah, gone now. We've got cash, crude, and cultural influence, let's use it!" Sully's plan on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is to make a whole new state in which Jews and Palestinians have equal rights and footing. One of the more ironic double standards is this "The age in which "one people, one nation" is no more. There are many countries with a variety of cultural groups. Every successful state that I have seen operates on this principle: "The land belongs to those who are willing to help their neighbor, and stand up to defend it." The Age of Nationalism is over." (He says, as nationalism is the sole reason the Sultanate exists) He'll probably invite up a few of the regional powers (Jordan, Turkey, and you) to his coronation. Along with several Western and Eastern ambassadors of countries who rely upon Arab crude. Maybe that could be the perfect start of an IC post. Showing the rise of new nations and the old nations fighting desperately to stay in power...?
That sounds like a fantastic idea. Instead of becoming another eastern satellite like I was planning to do with Syria, we could form a new sort of middle eastern bloc. That's very interesting. Not sure how the anti-Nationalism would work with the Ba'athist Arab nationalist beliefs although the Syrian Ba'athists are less traditional Ba'athist and more neo-Ba'athist which kind of ditches pan-Arabism.
I think that'd be an interesting idea, creating a new Arab bloc, a bit like the non-aligned bloc in real life founded by Nasser.
by Kazinstan » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:44 pm
Grayskull Knights wrote:Kazinstan wrote:That sounds like a fantastic idea. Instead of becoming another eastern satellite like I was planning to do with Syria, we could form a new sort of middle eastern bloc. That's very interesting. Not sure how the anti-Nationalism would work with the Ba'athist Arab nationalist beliefs although the Syrian Ba'athists are less traditional Ba'athist and more neo-Ba'athist which kind of ditches pan-Arabism.
I think that'd be an interesting idea, creating a new Arab bloc, a bit like the non-aligned bloc in real life founded by Nasser.
The anti-nationalist movements are easy. The same reason why the PLO, Egypt, and Syria may question Arabia. "Why should we trust a crowned head in Arabia to preserve our democracy/Islam?" Syria especially. It's an autocratic republic, meaning it takes no chances and seizes opportunities. Leery of outsiders and fiercely patriotic, this rising power seeks to oust the older and more ineffective regimes in the Middle East with the East's help. The Arabians are more passive, Western minded. Believing in compromise may very well compromise the nation. Especially since they criticize both the PLO, Israel, and any nation getting involved. One man's imperialism (Syria going into Goshen), is another man's support (to the PLO)
by Grayskull Knights » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:47 pm
Kazinstan wrote:Grayskull Knights wrote:The anti-nationalist movements are easy. The same reason why the PLO, Egypt, and Syria may question Arabia. "Why should we trust a crowned head in Arabia to preserve our democracy/Islam?" Syria especially. It's an autocratic republic, meaning it takes no chances and seizes opportunities. Leery of outsiders and fiercely patriotic, this rising power seeks to oust the older and more ineffective regimes in the Middle East with the East's help. The Arabians are more passive, Western minded. Believing in compromise may very well compromise the nation. Especially since they criticize both the PLO, Israel, and any nation getting involved. One man's imperialism (Syria going into Goshen), is another man's support (to the PLO)
True, the Syrians will take some convincing to join you. But it could work and we could potentially be strong non-aligned allies, although Syria may drift towards the east and the USSR initially.
I don't think Syria has any plans of invading up to the Goshan though. Some politicians in the SSNP and maybe a few Ba'athists want to invade the Sinai, but we probably won't.
by Wadden-Amrum » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:49 pm
Dree wrote:Perhaps the fat man from the north pole and his vertically challenged cronies are behind such an assassination attempt.
But truthfully my spy networks have heard nothing.
by Grayskull Knights » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:54 pm
Wadden-Amrum wrote:What should I be?
by The Greater Dutch Republic » Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:59 pm
by Kazinstan » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:17 pm
Grayskull Knights wrote:Kazinstan wrote:True, the Syrians will take some convincing to join you. But it could work and we could potentially be strong non-aligned allies, although Syria may drift towards the east and the USSR initially.
I don't think Syria has any plans of invading up to the Goshan though. Some politicians in the SSNP and maybe a few Ba'athists want to invade the Sinai, but we probably won't.
Cold War wise, Arabia's neutral. Though naturally it will lean more towards Western Capitalists for the sake of wealth and knowledge. Communists do not allow very many markets to take advantage of.
by Grayskull Knights » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:18 pm
Kazinstan wrote:Grayskull Knights wrote:Cold War wise, Arabia's neutral. Though naturally it will lean more towards Western Capitalists for the sake of wealth and knowledge. Communists do not allow very many markets to take advantage of.
Yeah. I think it's pretty much same for Syria; allied with anyone they can take advantage of. Initially the aims would be to upgrade Syria's somewhat lacking military technology/equipment somehow whilst also exploiting everything they can to earn more money to maintain their control of both Lebanon and Syria and perhaps invest in infrastructure.
by Kazinstan » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:21 pm
Grayskull Knights wrote:Kazinstan wrote:Yeah. I think it's pretty much same for Syria; allied with anyone they can take advantage of. Initially the aims would be to upgrade Syria's somewhat lacking military technology/equipment somehow whilst also exploiting everything they can to earn more money to maintain their control of both Lebanon and Syria and perhaps invest in infrastructure.
All righty then. Now we sit and wait for the IC thread.
by Wadden-Amrum » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:30 pm
Dree wrote:Perhaps the fat man from the north pole and his vertically challenged cronies are behind such an assassination attempt.
But truthfully my spy networks have heard nothing.
by The Greater Dutch Republic » Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:02 pm
Wadden-Amrum wrote:Reserve the Polish Democratic Republic.
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