Should we ban the impovershed from having children?

[Padanyia]

I'm asking if we should require licenses to have children, with those who can't afford children without government assistance not allowed to. If you had children illegally, you would either have some kind of penalty if you could manage or your child would be given to a relative or the state. I can see many advantages to doing this.

- Much fewer welfare payments

- Much less crime

- Much better educational outcomes/less behavioral disturbances in school

- Better for the economy/higher gdp per capita due to less welfare and other economic advantages

- More globally competitive

- Likely a genetic eugenic effect; with a smarter population and all that entails

I don't refer to forced sterilization, or to deliberately targeting any certain ethnic group. I think we should have a parental licensing program like you need to drive a car, and you would have to pass a test and meet a certain income threshold to prove you can take care of a child without government and ideally even charitable assistance. I think that the first nation to implement a program like this or some other eugenic program will quickly become the best/most competitive in the world. For those who would tell me there's a chance I'll be not allowed to have children/sterilized, I can honestly tell you I would be willing to be sterilized to further the cause of eugenics if I could eventually adopt children.

[Palakistan]

No. That is a slippery slope.

[Vajorr]

No

[Padanyia]

No. That is a slippery slope.

Specifically why?

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

Eugenics?

Why exactly?

[Galloism]

First, I don't know why you should have a say on what people do with their bodies.

Second, how the hell are you going to enforce it?

[Alyakia]

-less people to do shit jobs
-even lower birth rates

[Padanyia]

Eugenics?

Why exactly?

Not exactly eugenics, just banning the very poor from having children. The benefits would be the ones I listed, and likely many others.

[Padanyia]

First, I don't know why you should have a say on what people do with their bodies.

Second, how the hell are you going to enforce it?

A. Some bureaucratic office like the DMV

B. Illegal children given to relatives who could manage, and if they deny them, the state adoption program

[The Black Forrest]

Gingers! Ban gingers from having children!

[Redsection]

No we need everyone for the workforce.

[Padanyia]

-less people to do shit jobs
-even lower birth rates

1. Robots will do all shit jobs very soon

2. We could give a subsidy for the middle class/rich to have children, but a declining population won't be a bad thing when most labor is automated. This is what Japan is speculated to be planning on with their population decline and they've invested quite a bit in robotics.

[Galloism]

First, I don't know why you should have a say on what people do with their bodies.

Second, how the hell are you going to enforce it?

A. Some bureaucratic office like the DMV

B. Illegal children given to relatives who could manage, and if they deny them, the state adoption program

You didn't say why you should have a say on what people do with their bodies.


You do know that the adoption system is already amazingly and impressively overburdened,right? I thought you wanted to save money - now instead of giving partial support, the government pays for them 100%.

Great plan there lou.

[Ifreann]

Likely a genetic eugenic effect; with a smarter population and all that entails

Hahaha, no.

[Alyakia]

-less people to do shit jobs
-even lower birth rates

1. Robots will do all shit jobs very soon

2. We could give a subsidy for the middle class/rich to have children, but a declining population won't be a bad thing when most labor is automated. This is what Japan is speculated to be planning on with their population decline and they've invested quite a bit in robotics.

but subsidies are fundamentally government assistance, and the entire point of your plan was to stop that

[Kraylandia]

Should we ban people that suggest stupid ideas from having kids?

Gingers! Ban gingers from having children!

That's a fantastic idea.

[Ifreann]

-less people to do shit jobs
-even lower birth rates

-literally letting Hitler win

[Greed and Death]

Back to the mandatory sterilization era.

[The Serbian Empire]

No, we should ban bad ideas like this from being implemented as the rich have the lowest birth rates of all.

[Godular]

Not just no, hell no, wtf is wrong with you no, and a few other heavily-embellished negative responses.

[Polar Svalbard]

No put we need to change Welfare into workfare, hey we'll give you money but you gotta go pick grapes and stuff like that, unless you absouletly cannot work

[Galloism]

-less people to do shit jobs
-even lower birth rates

1. Robots will do all shit jobs very soon

2. We could give a subsidy for the middle class/rich to have children, but a declining population won't be a bad thing when most labor is automated. This is what Japan is speculated to be planning on with their population decline and they've invested quite a bit in robotics.

Ok, and this is a wild idea - rather than implementing a costly eugenics program and start subsiding children for the well off, why don't we just improve our education system so we can end the cycle of poverty passing from parents to children for half the cost?

[Padanyia]

1. Robots will do all shit jobs very soon

2. We could give a subsidy for the middle class/rich to have children, but a declining population won't be a bad thing when most labor is automated. This is what Japan is speculated to be planning on with their population decline and they've invested quite a bit in robotics.

but subsidies are fundamentally government assistance, and the entire point of your plan was to stop that

But this would reverse the dysgenic effect we may be seeing now or soon.

[Ifreann]

1. Robots will do all shit jobs very soon

2. We could give a subsidy for the middle class/rich to have children, but a declining population won't be a bad thing when most labor is automated. This is what Japan is speculated to be planning on with their population decline and they've invested quite a bit in robotics.

Ok, and this is a wild idea - rather than implementing a costly eugenics program and start subsiding children for the well off, why don't we just improve our education system so we can end the cycle of poverty passing from parents to children for half the cost?

But then the poors will spread their poor genes and pollute our glorious middle-or-higher-class master race.

[Padanyia]

Back to the mandatory sterilization era.

That's not the plan I referred to. Mandatory licensing and your children given to relatives if you have them illegally.