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by Ayamar » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:40 pm
by New Tuva SSR » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:40 pm
Ayamar wrote:Occupied Deutschland wrote:There's really little in there to suggest they're broadly Marxist. There certainly could be Marxist elements within the FSA, but the FSA itself is a clusterfuck of amalgamated opposition groups built around a small core of Syrian Army defectors (who may or may not have any kind of broad operational authority over other groups included under their umbrella). So, by definition, the whole group can't be 'Marxist', the whole group isn't coordinated enough to have a set ideology beyond opposition to Assad and ISIS (and the latter one lapses sometimes).
Man, c'mon Ayamar, what did Wiki ever do to you?
I was adding stuff to make it truer (if thats a word)
Lykens wrote:You win at life.
by Conserative Morality » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:40 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Also, guys, as a general rule of thumb, when someone links to a Wikipedia article to support an argument, always check the history page to see if there is an active edit war, or recent controversial changes, or the article was written entirely by one user (which could indicate bias), or anything else like that.
by The balkens » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:41 pm
by Conserative Morality » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:41 pm
New Tuva SSR wrote:No, you lied. The FSA is not Marxist or Terrorist.
by Ayamar » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:41 pm
by The balkens » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:42 pm
by Kingdom of the Carolinas » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:44 pm
by Constantinopolis » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:44 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Constantinopolis wrote:Uh, yes he is. I don't see anything in that article to challenge the view that Assad is the only reliable defender of the religious minorities.
Remember, the FSA is a decentralized, heterogeneous group that (1) doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the war, and (2) would collapse and start infighting as soon as the war was won (just like its equivalent did in Libya).
And if you read the article, it also explains that:
1. Several minorities side with the opposition overwhelmingly over the government
Conserative Morality wrote:2. The government isn't preventing sectarian violence any more than most of the opposition.
by The balkens » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:46 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:And if you read the article, it also explains that:
1. Several minorities side with the opposition overwhelmingly over the government
I know they do. Probably because they have no choice. But the point is, they would get massacred in the inevitable infighting if the opposition won.
I repeat: The FSA is a joke. It cannot win, and would collapse into a new, Libyan-style civil war even if by some miracle it DID win.
When the dust settles, most of Syria's territory will be ruled either by Assad, or by ISIS, or possibly by al-Nusra (although that's a long shot). These. Are. The. Only. Options.Conserative Morality wrote:2. The government isn't preventing sectarian violence any more than most of the opposition.
I didn't say it was. I said it was defending the religious minorities. This involves a certain degree of sectarian violence against the Sunni Arabs. Because they are the main support base of the opposition (especially, you guessed it, ISIS and al-Nusra).
by Lusai » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:47 pm
The balkens wrote:Constantinopolis wrote:I know they do. Probably because they have no choice. But the point is, they would get massacred in the inevitable infighting if the opposition won.
I repeat: The FSA is a joke. It cannot win, and would collapse into a new, Libyan-style civil war even if by some miracle it DID win.
When the dust settles, most of Syria's territory will be ruled either by Assad, or by ISIS, or possibly by al-Nusra (although that's a long shot). These. Are. The. Only. Options.
I didn't say it was. I said it was defending the religious minorities. This involves a certain degree of sectarian violence against the Sunni Arabs. Because they are the main support base of the opposition (especially, you guessed it, ISIS and al-Nusra).
Have you ever thought of of WHAT IF! assad Dies?
by Conserative Morality » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:48 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:I know they do. Probably because they have no choice. But the point is, they would get massacred in the inevitable infighting if the opposition won.
I repeat: The FSA is a joke. It cannot win, and would collapse into a new, Libyan-style civil war even if by some miracle it DID win.
When the dust settles, most of Syria's territory will be ruled either by Assad, or by ISIS, or possibly by al-Nusra (although that's a long shot). These. Are. The. Only. Options.
I didn't say it was. I said it was defending the religious minorities. This involves a certain degree of sectarian violence against the Sunni Arabs. Because they are the main support base of the opposition (especially, you guessed it, ISIS and al-Nusra).
by Bulrosia » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:49 pm
by Redsection » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:50 pm
by The balkens » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:51 pm
by Imperial Valaran » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:52 pm
by Lusai » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:54 pm
by Kingdom of the Carolinas » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:56 pm
Kingdom of the Carolinas wrote:either way, no one is coming out of this happy, when was the last time american and russian forces met like this in an active warzone, the worlds two biggest superpowers dont exactly get along, and its bad when both are trying to stop the same thing: ISIS.
Its going to be one big clusterfuck of epic proportions and all it takes to start a even bigger war is a couple of jets shooting at the wrong people
by Imperial Valaran » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:09 pm
Kingdom of the Carolinas wrote:Kingdom of the Carolinas wrote:either way, no one is coming out of this happy, when was the last time american and russian forces met like this in an active warzone, the worlds two biggest superpowers dont exactly get along, and its bad when both are trying to stop the same thing: ISIS.
Its going to be one big clusterfuck of epic proportions and all it takes to start a even bigger war is a couple of jets shooting at the wrong people
by The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:26 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Not surprised in the least. Russia clearly is desperate to hold onto their last ally in the region. I wouldn't be surprised if they intervene on the ground in the near future.
Not that they'd admit to it when they did.
by Dundee Derry » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:51 pm
Kelinfort wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/opinion/thomas-friedman-syria-obama-and-putin.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
Mr. Friedman put it best.
by Rio Cana » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:52 pm
Imperial Valaran wrote:Russia keeps adding twists to the narrative.
I would be more open to tacit cooperation with another, less 'tainted' figure in the Syrian government who would replace Assad, and enact some reforms (mostly in the barrel bombing of civilian quarters department). IS is the greater threat, but the idea that Assad's regime is the key to solving the crisis is mistaken; the Syrian Army, even with Russian, Iranian and Hizbollah support, lacks the power to enforce its will across the former nation. Thus tacit cooperation should be tempered by some concessions.
by Risottia » Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:23 pm
by Imperial Valaran » Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:30 pm
Rio Cana wrote:Imperial Valaran wrote:Russia keeps adding twists to the narrative.
I would be more open to tacit cooperation with another, less 'tainted' figure in the Syrian government who would replace Assad, and enact some reforms (mostly in the barrel bombing of civilian quarters department). IS is the greater threat, but the idea that Assad's regime is the key to solving the crisis is mistaken; the Syrian Army, even with Russian, Iranian and Hizbollah support, lacks the power to enforce its will across the former nation. Thus tacit cooperation should be tempered by some concessions.
Nations are not suppose to interfere in the internal matters of other nations. Having said that, Assad is still in power. So Assad has to have some type of popular support or he would have been tossed to the side a long time ago by his Generals or the foreign people propping him up.
by United Fascist States of North America » Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:31 pm
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