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by Sociobiology » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:28 am
by Sociobiology » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:32 am
For example, I can't make a contract with B that takes away some of C's rights (and C is not a party).
by San Lumen » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:53 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:San Lumen wrote:
So then get all your apathetic friends to refuse to pay taxes since you hate the system so much and think voting is trivial and a waste of time. I'm sorry the education system has failed you so. Why don;t you go move to the Western Sahara where there is no formal government and no taxes to pay?
you are conflating a distrust/disengagement with the voting system with political apathy
there can be an overlap but there doesn't have to be
also, what does the Sahara Desert and the failure of the education system have to do with anything?
by Infected Mushroom » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:46 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:48 pm
San Lumen wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
you are conflating a distrust/disengagement with the voting system with political apathy
there can be an overlap but there doesn't have to be
also, what does the Sahara Desert and the failure of the education system have to do with anything?
Being disengaged from the political process is apathy. I'm sorry the education system has failed you so that you see voting and politics as trivial and a waste of time. the Western Sahara which is a region south of Morocco with no formal government. You wouldn't have to pay taxes. If you didn't have taxes where would the government get money from? Why don't you get all your apathetic friends and refuse to pay taxes since you see it as theft. Sue the government when the the IRS garnishes your wages among other things.
by The New Sea Territory » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:49 pm
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by Infected Mushroom » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:55 pm
Sociobiology wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
but you can't make a contract that adversely affects the rights of third parties
sure you can, every application of rights involves limiting the rights or perceived rights of others.
rights by their very nature are always in conflict.For example, I can't make a contract with B that takes away some of C's rights (and C is not a party).
yeah you can, it happens all the time, serious go learn something about real contracts before making such an absurd argument.
parents can sign their children up for military schools, sign off on medical procedures, transport them across national borders and renounce your citizenship , ect.
by Conscentia » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:56 pm
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by Celsuis » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:01 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:02 pm
San Lumen wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
you are conflating a distrust/disengagement with the voting system with political apathy
there can be an overlap but there doesn't have to be
also, what does the Sahara Desert and the failure of the education system have to do with anything?
Being disengaged from the political process is apathy. I'm sorry the education system has failed you so that you see voting and politics as trivial and a waste of time. the Western Sahara which is a region south of Morocco with no formal government. You wouldn't have to pay taxes. If you didn't have taxes where would the government get money from? Why don't you get all your apathetic friends and refuse to pay taxes since you see it as theft. Sue the government when the the IRS garnishes your wages among other things.
by Infected Mushroom » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:02 pm
Celsuis wrote:I agree. The only role of government should be to protect our freedom and liberty. People organized in groups only have those rights which those individuals themselves have, and inasmuch as government is a group of people, the powers of government should end where individual rights begin. I believe that since >99% of the world's population regards government as necessary, voluntary contributions could easily replace taxes if governments didn't engage in reckless wars and didn't just waste money all the time.
by Conscentia » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:06 pm
Celsuis wrote:I agree. The only role of government should be to protect our freedom and liberty. People organized in groups only have those rights which those individuals themselves have, and inasmuch as government is a group of people, the powers of government should end where individual rights begin. I believe that since >99% of the world's population regards government as necessary, voluntary contributions could easily replace taxes if governments didn't engage in reckless wars and didn't just waste money all the time.
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by The New Sea Territory » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:07 pm
Wikipedia wrote:"A political party is an organization of people which seeks to achieve goals common to its members through the acquisition and exercise of political power."
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by The New Sea Territory » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:10 pm
Celsuis wrote:I agree. The only role of government should be to protect our freedom and liberty. People organized in groups only have those rights which those individuals themselves have, and inasmuch as government is a group of people, the powers of government should end where individual rights begin. I believe that since >99% of the world's population regards government as necessary, voluntary contributions could easily replace taxes if governments didn't engage in reckless wars and didn't just waste money all the time.
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of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Celsuis » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:12 pm
Conscentia wrote:Celsuis wrote:I agree. The only role of government should be to protect our freedom and liberty. People organized in groups only have those rights which those individuals themselves have, and inasmuch as government is a group of people, the powers of government should end where individual rights begin. I believe that since >99% of the world's population regards government as necessary, voluntary contributions could easily replace taxes if governments didn't engage in reckless wars and didn't just waste money all the time.
Given that most people who approve of charity give so little to charity, I doubt people would voluntarily provide sufficient funding.
by Celsuis » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:13 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:Celsuis wrote:I agree. The only role of government should be to protect our freedom and liberty. People organized in groups only have those rights which those individuals themselves have, and inasmuch as government is a group of people, the powers of government should end where individual rights begin. I believe that since >99% of the world's population regards government as necessary, voluntary contributions could easily replace taxes if governments didn't engage in reckless wars and didn't just waste money all the time.
If taxation is theft, the wage system must also be.
by The New Sea Territory » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:16 pm
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by Celsuis » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:18 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:Celsuis wrote:
Employment is voluntary. Taxation is not.
Employment is not what I said. I said the wage system.
The wage system is not voluntary as it is maintained through the force of the state. The system where workers create products, the capitalist boss sells these products, then pays workers a fraction of what their labor is actually worth. That system, because it is maintained under the threat of violence, is no different than a government taxing its citizens and giving them a fraction of their payments back in the form of roads (because most goes towards military spending and corporate welfare).
by The New Sea Territory » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:24 pm
Celsuis wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:
Employment is not what I said. I said the wage system.
The wage system is not voluntary as it is maintained through the force of the state. The system where workers create products, the capitalist boss sells these products, then pays workers a fraction of what their labor is actually worth. That system, because it is maintained under the threat of violence, is no different than a government taxing its citizens and giving them a fraction of their payments back in the form of roads (because most goes towards military spending and corporate welfare).
How is it maintained by threat of violence, exactly? Workers create product and their employers sell that product and pay them voluntarily. Taxation is coercive and involuntary.
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of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
-Renzo Novatore, Verso il Nulla Creatore
by Occupied Deutschland » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:26 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:Celsuis wrote:
How is it maintained by threat of violence, exactly? Workers create product and their employers sell that product and pay them voluntarily. Taxation is coercive and involuntary.
You, again, missed what I said.
If workers ever tried to actually earn what they create from their boss...
by Celsuis » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:26 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:Celsuis wrote:
How is it maintained by threat of violence, exactly? Workers create product and their employers sell that product and pay them voluntarily. Taxation is coercive and involuntary.
You, again, missed what I said.
If workers ever tried to actually earn what they create from their boss (which would, effectively, mean overthrowing him), the state would retaliate with violence. The entire wage system is protected by the threat of state violence.
by Conscentia » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:07 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:Conscentia wrote:1. A party isn't a state, and I don't think they even necessarily have to be hierarchical, so I disagree.Wikipedia wrote:"A political party is an organization of people which seeks to achieve goals common to its members through the acquisition and exercise of political power."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party
Not anarchistic. This is why anarchism historically has mostly been confined to the labor movement.
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