
by Parskahye » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:05 pm

by Conserative Morality » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:19 pm

by Parskahye » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:22 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Has someone just read "The Decline of the West"?

by The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:23 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Has someone just read "The Decline of the West"?

by Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:27 pm

by The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:28 pm
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Progress put food in your belly. It put clothes on your back. It eliminated smallpox, and someday soon, polio. It has curved the proportionate death toll from tribal warfrare, proportionately speaking, nine times. It curved the murder rate in comparison to medieval Europe thirty times. It's feeding children in Africa for answering grammar questions on a not-for-profit game site. More people have been lifted out of poverty in the past decade proportionately than at any point before in recorded history. Wage gaps between the genders are narrowing. Human lifespans are becoming longer and overall healthier. HIV-AIDS infection rates have stabilized, and cancer rates are beginning to fall. Workers are putting in fewer hours for higher pay, and the average home is much, much larger. You can now communicate face to face with people across the world in real-time. You can share information with hundreds of thousands of people in an instant, with the push of a button. We have prosthesis that can feel. We can see another person's dreams. Progress pierced the heavens.
Progress is not a myth. It's a very real phenomenon. No amount of pessimism can stop it.

by Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:30 pm
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Progress put food in your belly. It put clothes on your back. It eliminated smallpox, and someday soon, polio. It has curved the proportionate death toll from tribal warfrare, proportionately speaking, nine times. It curved the murder rate in comparison to medieval Europe thirty times. It's feeding children in Africa for answering grammar questions on a not-for-profit game site. More people have been lifted out of poverty in the past decade proportionately than at any point before in recorded history. Wage gaps between the genders are narrowing. Human lifespans are becoming longer and overall healthier. HIV-AIDS infection rates have stabilized, and cancer rates are beginning to fall. Workers are putting in fewer hours for higher pay, and the average home is much, much larger. You can now communicate face to face with people across the world in real-time. You can share information with hundreds of thousands of people in an instant, with the push of a button. We have prosthesis that can feel. We can see another person's dreams. Progress pierced the heavens.
Progress is not a myth. It's a very real phenomenon. No amount of pessimism can stop it.
In a note of pedantry Smallpox still exists in two laboratories (The U.S, and Russia).

by Eol Sha » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:34 pm

by New Werpland » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:35 pm

by Hiblaaargh » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:37 pm

by Parskahye » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:39 pm
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Progress put food in your belly. It put clothes on your back. It eliminated smallpox, and someday soon, polio. It has curved the proportionate death toll from tribal warfrare, proportionately speaking, nine times. It curved the murder rate in comparison to medieval Europe thirty times. It's feeding children in Africa for answering grammar questions on a not-for-profit game site. More people have been lifted out of poverty in the past decade proportionately than at any point before in recorded history. Wage gaps between the genders are narrowing. Human lifespans are becoming longer and overall healthier. HIV-AIDS infection rates have stabilized, and cancer rates are beginning to fall. Workers are putting in fewer hours for higher pay, and the average home is much, much larger. You can now communicate face to face with people across the world in real-time. You can share information with hundreds of thousands of people in an instant, with the push of a button. We have prosthesis that can feel. We can see another person's dreams. Progress pierced the heavens.
Progress is not a myth. It's a very real phenomenon. No amount of pessimism can stop it.

by Geilinor » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:39 pm

by New Werpland » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:40 pm
Parskahye wrote:Progress poisoned the Earth and scoured the seas of life. Progress bulldozed the tapestry of global culture and replaced it with McDonalds and Michael Bay.

by Eol Sha » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:43 pm
Parskahye wrote:Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Progress put food in your belly. It put clothes on your back. It eliminated smallpox, and someday soon, polio. It has curved the proportionate death toll from tribal warfrare, proportionately speaking, nine times. It curved the murder rate in comparison to medieval Europe thirty times. It's feeding children in Africa for answering grammar questions on a not-for-profit game site. More people have been lifted out of poverty in the past decade proportionately than at any point before in recorded history. Wage gaps between the genders are narrowing. Human lifespans are becoming longer and overall healthier. HIV-AIDS infection rates have stabilized, and cancer rates are beginning to fall. Workers are putting in fewer hours for higher pay, and the average home is much, much larger. You can now communicate face to face with people across the world in real-time. You can share information with hundreds of thousands of people in an instant, with the push of a button. We have prosthesis that can feel. We can see another person's dreams. Progress pierced the heavens.
Progress is not a myth. It's a very real phenomenon. No amount of pessimism can stop it.
Progress poisoned the Earth and scoured the seas of life. Progress bulldozed the tapestry of global culture and replaced it with McDonalds and Michael Bay. Progress destroyed organic society and replaced it with anomie. Progress killed God. Progress tore the peasant from his 155 days of work a year and threw him into 18 hour shifts in soot-covered factory towns. Progress beheaded authority and replaced it with anarcho-tyrrany. Progress gave us industrial war and industrial genocide.
Nothing comes without trade-offs. Technical-scientific progress has had some extraordinarily positive effects, but there have been extraordinary negative consequences which have emerged from the industrial revolution.
In any case, however, you're defining progress by its technical-scientific side. That develops largely orthogonally from the idea of political or social progress. Technical progress can certainly be noted and certainly occurs, though I'm less optimistic about it than you are. My problem is that the term is conflated with political or social progress, which is largely just decadence and the justification of decadence.

by Parskahye » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:43 pm

by Geilinor » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:43 pm
Parskahye wrote:
Progress bulldozed the tapestry of global culture and replaced it with McDonalds and Michael Bay.

by Eol Sha » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:43 pm


by Diopolis » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:44 pm

by Galloism » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:44 pm
Geilinor wrote:Parskahye wrote:
Progress bulldozed the tapestry of global culture and replaced it with McDonalds and Michael Bay.
You're simply wrong on that point. Culture still exists and has not been replaced by anything. Eating at a McDonalds or watching a Michael Bay movie doesn't mean that your culture is gone.

by Conserative Morality » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:44 pm
Parskahye wrote:I'm a fan of Spengler, but I disagree that civilizations go into unstoppable declines or that they can't be reinvigorated (China as an example of that).

by New Werpland » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:44 pm
Parskahye wrote:New Werpland wrote:Are you saying tradition, by law, can never be as bad as Michael Bay?
Of course not. Michael Bay is just a proxy for what I see as the problem with modern culture- it's largely an exercise in marketing which results in the creation of pablum that's designed to maximize revenue for the creators.

by Eol Sha » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:44 pm
Geilinor wrote:Parskahye wrote:
Progress bulldozed the tapestry of global culture and replaced it with McDonalds and Michael Bay.
You're simply wrong on that point. Culture still exists and has not been replaced by anything. Eating at a McDonalds or watching a Michael Bay movie doesn't mean that your culture is gone.

by Justin States 3 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:45 pm
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Progress put food in your belly. It put clothes on your back. It eliminated smallpox, and someday soon, polio. It has curved the proportionate death toll from tribal warfrare, proportionately speaking, nine times. It curved the murder rate in comparison to medieval Europe thirty times. It's feeding children in Africa for answering grammar questions on a not-for-profit game site. More people have been lifted out of poverty in the past decade proportionately than at any point before in recorded history. Wage gaps between the genders are narrowing. Human lifespans are becoming longer and overall healthier. HIV-AIDS infection rates have stabilized, and cancer rates are beginning to fall. Workers are putting in fewer hours for higher pay, and the average home is much, much larger. You can now communicate face to face with people across the world in real-time. You can share information with hundreds of thousands of people in an instant, with the push of a button. We have prosthesis that can feel. We can see another person's dreams. Progress pierced the heavens.
Progress is not a myth. It's a very real phenomenon. No amount of pessimism can stop it.
Hurdegaryp wrote:Scorpions, because evolution decided spiders were not weaponized enough.
Lautrec- wrote:I'd like my oppression in red, thank you very much
Justin States 3 wrote:Yes. I may be a doctor but I'm a dumbass.
Gurori wrote:To be honest if everything that lives had to use the same pronoun, I'd choose "That Maggot".

by Conserative Morality » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:45 pm
Diopolis wrote:You're forgetting how progress is defined by progressives- as a loss of discipline and increase in permissiveness, and to a lesser extent, as the replacement of morality with hedonism as the governor of human life.
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