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Which Candidate Do You Support?

Ted Cruz
20
3%
Marco Rubio
65
11%
Rand Paul
98
17%
Ben Carson
53
9%
Carly Fiorina
18
3%
Jeb Bush
31
5%
Chris Christie
9
2%
John Kasich
42
7%
Donald Trump
151
26%
Someone else
92
16%
 
Total votes : 579

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Postby Idzequitch » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:09 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Aurum Reich wrote:When is Jeb Bush going to drop out already?

Why would he drop out?

He's "too liberal" to be a Republican. Nonsense really, but that's what a lot of GOPers think.
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Postby Yankee Commonwealth » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:11 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Why would he drop out?

He's "too liberal" to be a Republican. Nonsense really, but that's what a lot of GOPers think.


He'd be an awful president. He actually thinks the Iraq War was a good idea. Even Trump called him out on that.
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Postby Pot4toes » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:12 pm

Yankee Commonwealth wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:He's "too liberal" to be a Republican. Nonsense really, but that's what a lot of GOPers think.


He'd be an awful president. He actually thinks the Iraq War was a good idea. Even Trump called him out on that.

That's just about the only good thing Trump has agreed with in his lifetime.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:12 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Why would he drop out?

He's "too liberal" to be a Republican. Nonsense really, but that's what a lot of GOPers think.

He is quite moderate compared to the rest, though his and Christie's drug stances are interesting.
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Postby Yankee Commonwealth » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:16 pm

Pot4toes wrote:
Yankee Commonwealth wrote:
He'd be an awful president. He actually thinks the Iraq War was a good idea. Even Trump called him out on that.

That's just about the only good thing Trump has agreed with in his lifetime.


Trump actually has good ideas.

>raise hedgefund taxes
>Call out Republicans when they say stupid shit like invade Iran and topple Assad
>Lower corporate and income taxes
>Make the tax form two pages
>Deport the illegals
>Build the wall

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:18 pm

Yankee Commonwealth wrote:
Pot4toes wrote:That's just about the only good thing Trump has agreed with in his lifetime.


Trump actually has good ideas.

>raise hedgefund taxes
>Call out Republicans when they say stupid shit like invade Iran and topple Assad
>Lower corporate and income taxes
>Make the tax form two pages
>Deport the illegals
>Build the wall

Those last two things? Objectively bad ideas.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:20 pm

Pot4toes wrote:
Yankee Commonwealth wrote:
He'd be an awful president. He actually thinks the Iraq War was a good idea. Even Trump called him out on that.

That's just about the only good thing Trump has agreed with in his lifetime.

Trump supports gay rights.
He supports abortion.
He wants to tax hedge fund managers income as income. (Currently it's taxed as a capital gain).
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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:21 pm

Yankee Commonwealth wrote:
Pot4toes wrote:That's just about the only good thing Trump has agreed with in his lifetime.


Trump actually has good ideas.

>raise hedgefund taxes
>Call out Republicans when they say stupid shit like invade Iran and topple Assad
>Lower corporate and income taxes
>Make the tax form two pages
>Deport the illegals
>Build the wall

None of that is good except for the fact that America's corporate tax needs to be lowered for small business.

EDIT: Also of course you deport illegals that's common sense.
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Postby Yankee Commonwealth » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:21 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Pot4toes wrote:That's just about the only good thing Trump has agreed with in his lifetime.

Trump supports gay rights.
He supports abortion.
He wants to tax hedge fund managers income as income. (Currently it's taxed as a capital gain).


Huh. I didn't actually know Trump's views on gays and abortion.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:23 pm

Yankee Commonwealth wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Trump supports gay rights.
He supports abortion.
He wants to tax hedge fund managers income as income. (Currently it's taxed as a capital gain).


Huh. I didn't actually know Trump's views on gays and abortion.

Say what you will. Trump v santorum, I vote trump.
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Postby Jagellion » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:24 pm

Yankee Commonwealth wrote:
Pot4toes wrote:That's just about the only good thing Trump has agreed with in his lifetime.


Trump actually has good ideas.

>raise hedgefund taxes
>Call out Republicans when they say stupid shit like invade Iran and topple Assad
>Lower corporate and income taxes
>Make the tax form two pages
>Deport the illegals
>Build the wall

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
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Deport the illegals? Costs money and separating families. Separating little innocent AMERICAN children from their families.

Build a wall? Too much money to build a giant secure wall that is 1,954 miles long where it's impossible for Mexicans to go through.
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Postby Yankee Commonwealth » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:24 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Yankee Commonwealth wrote:
Huh. I didn't actually know Trump's views on gays and abortion.

Say what you will. Trump v santorum, I vote trump.


Oh of course. I mean, I always knew Trump wasn't the religious type, so I figured he wouldn't be a moron like Santorum, but I've never actually heard him talk about either of those.

Do you think he avoids talking about abortion and gay marriage so as not to alienate the Republican base?
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:25 pm

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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Depends. Are the babies provided for in the budget?

This is our problem. People think money is more important than the [lives] of children. It's sickening, it's immoral, and it should be stopped.

I agree wholeheartedly, which is why I support Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders gain[ed] support because he guarantees he'll raise the taxes to some '93 percent,'

Since you put that in quotes, I'm sure you are citing a credited, unbiased source. :)
give away money to people too lazy to work,

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will ensure that lawn guys get paid the same as a high-level CEO,

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and minimum wage is raised to an unreasonable amount.

It's unreasonable to want people to receive wages high enough to feed their children?
Bernie Sanders is [right] about everything,

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:33 pm

Yankee Commonwealth wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Say what you will. Trump v santorum, I vote trump.


Oh of course. I mean, I always knew Trump wasn't the religious type, so I figured he wouldn't be a moron like Santorum, but I've never actually heard him talk about either of those.

Do you think he avoids talking about abortion and gay marriage so as not to alienate the Republican base?

Yes.
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The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
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The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

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Postby The Jaclean Empire » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:33 pm

Carly Fiorina
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Postby The Stupids » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:38 pm

Yankee Commonwealth wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Say what you will. Trump v santorum, I vote trump.


Oh of course. I mean, I always knew Trump wasn't the religious type, so I figured he wouldn't be a moron like Santorum, but I've never actually heard him talk about either of those.

Do you think he avoids talking about abortion and gay marriage so as not to alienate the Republican base?


No. He just hasn't found a way to hoodwink the dumb fuckers on that issue yet. When he comes up with the "right" angle on sex and baby issues to con the dumb-asses that support him, then he'll "talk" to y'all about it. :p
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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:40 pm

The Jaclean empire wrote:Carly Fiorina

Perfect, college-level argument. You avoid redundancy and get straight to the point, with detailed, entertaining, and persuasive arguments as to why your preferred candidate is best, and how her policies would improve the nation as a whole. Furthermore, you have demonstrated great knowledge of current politics surrounding electability, ideological reasonability, and application of business experience to the world of government and politics.

For years, profesors and debaters shall look up to this post as the high mark of the discussion of the 2016 election. I applaud you for the hard work you put into this masterpiece, and the many more we can surely expect from you.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2015 4:42 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
The Jaclean empire wrote:Carly Fiorina

Perfect, college-level argument. You avoid redundancy and get straight to the point, with detailed, entertaining, and persuasive arguments as to why your preferred candidate is best, and how her policies would improve the nation as a whole. Furthermore, you have demonstrated great knowledge of current politics surrounding electability, ideological reasonability, and application of business experience to the world of government and politics.

For years, profesors and debaters shall look up to this post as the high mark of the discussion of the 2016 election. I applaud you for the hard work you put into this masterpiece, and the many more we can surely expect from you.

:clap:

It sold me.
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The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:01 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
The Jaclean empire wrote:Carly Fiorina

Perfect, college-level argument. You avoid redundancy and get straight to the point, with detailed, entertaining, and persuasive arguments as to why your preferred candidate is best, and how her policies would improve the nation as a whole. Furthermore, you have demonstrated great knowledge of current politics surrounding electability, ideological reasonability, and application of business experience to the world of government and politics.

For years, profesors and debaters shall look up to this post as the high mark of the discussion of the 2016 election. I applaud you for the hard work you put into this masterpiece, and the many more we can surely expect from you.


Maybe he just likes saying her name?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:02 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Perfect, college-level argument. You avoid redundancy and get straight to the point, with detailed, entertaining, and persuasive arguments as to why your preferred candidate is best, and how her policies would improve the nation as a whole. Furthermore, you have demonstrated great knowledge of current politics surrounding electability, ideological reasonability, and application of business experience to the world of government and politics.

For years, profesors and debaters shall look up to this post as the high mark of the discussion of the 2016 election. I applaud you for the hard work you put into this masterpiece, and the many more we can surely expect from you.

:clap:

It sold me.

I agree. 11/10 best article 2015.
But in all seriousness, my only issue with Carly Fiorina is that she is far too militaristic, even among Republicans. Not as militant as say, Lindsey Graham or Donald Trump, but it could become an issue while on the campaign trail.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:04 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote: :clap:

It sold me.

I agree. 11/10 best article 2015.
But in all seriousness, my only issue with Carly Fiorina is that she is far too militaristic, even among Republicans. Not as militant as say, Lindsey Graham or Donald Trump, but it could become an issue while on the campaign trail.


Your only issue?

What do you like about her?
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:11 pm

AJ+ asked Trump supporters what they are tired of hearing about him. The answers are...interesting, to say the least.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:18 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote: :clap:

It sold me.

I agree. 11/10 best article 2015.
But in all seriousness, my only issue with Carly Fiorina is that she is far too militaristic, even among Republicans. Not as militant as say, Lindsey Graham or Donald Trump, but it could become an issue while on the campaign trail.

Trump isn't that militant, he criticized Jeb on the Iraq War and said he'd negotiate with Russia.
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:20 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I agree. 11/10 best article 2015.
But in all seriousness, my only issue with Carly Fiorina is that she is far too militaristic, even among Republicans. Not as militant as say, Lindsey Graham or Donald Trump, but it could become an issue while on the campaign trail.

Trump isn't that militant, he criticized Jeb on the Iraq War and said he'd negotiate with Russia.

Actually, he said he'd get along with Putin. What the hell that means, I don't know, but I don't think he's ever said he'd negotiate with Russia.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:22 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I agree. 11/10 best article 2015.
But in all seriousness, my only issue with Carly Fiorina is that she is far too militaristic, even among Republicans. Not as militant as say, Lindsey Graham or Donald Trump, but it could become an issue while on the campaign trail.

Trump isn't that militant, he criticized Jeb on the Iraq War and said he'd negotiate with Russia.

As I said to a classmate of mine today, if Trump became president, we could hope to discover what Putin looks like when he smiles.
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