NationStates' Transgender Thread

[Val Halla]

You have it better than I do.

I probably could have said that just by not having parents who steal my money unlike yours. The problem is my desires to have kids, but how. I must delay my transition to save money for sperm storage as HRT will shut the sperm well dry.

You could adopt.

Anyway, the situation doesn't look to be getting better. My grandmother said she was disappointed in me, and my parents ignored that.

[The Serbian Empire]

I probably could have said that just by not having parents who steal my money unlike yours. The problem is my desires to have kids, but how. I must delay my transition to save money for sperm storage as HRT will shut the sperm well dry.

You could adopt.

Anyway, the situation doesn't look to be getting better. My grandmother said she was disappointed in me, and my parents ignored that.

For me, it's a tricky situation to adopt given the Asperger's, the history of depression, and what not. I don't expect any government agency would give a transwoman with that history the time of day to permit adoption.

[Val Halla]

You could adopt.

Anyway, the situation doesn't look to be getting better. My grandmother said she was disappointed in me, and my parents ignored that.

For me, it's a tricky situation to adopt given the Asperger's, the history of depression, and what not. I don't expect any government agency would give a transwoman with that history the time of day to permit adoption.

I'm sure they would.

[The Serbian Empire]

For me, it's a tricky situation to adopt given the Asperger's, the history of depression, and what not. I don't expect any government agency would give a transwoman with that history the time of day to permit adoption.

I'm sure they would.

Only with a more stable partner however as I'm probably considered a tad too unstable.

[Val Halla]

I'm sure they would.

Only with a more stable partner however as I'm probably considered a tad too unstable.

You probably would get one

[The Serbian Empire]

Only with a more stable partner however as I'm probably considered a tad too unstable.

You probably would get one

The odds of me finding a more stable person given my orientation? I don't know... the odds are more likely I'm to be a virgin at 65 or dead by a transphobe than I am to find that partner at a young enough age.

[Val Halla]

You probably would get one

The odds of me finding a more stable person given my orientation? I don't know... the odds are more likely I'm to be a virgin at 65 or dead by a transphobe than I am to find that partner at a young enough age.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You have very clear oppurtunities

[Phyrexia Reborn]

You probably would get one

The odds of me finding a more stable person given my orientation? I don't know... the odds are more likely I'm to be a virgin at 65 or dead by a transphobe than I am to find that partner at a young enough age.

I've found that life is always capable of giving you a pleasant surprise.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

You could adopt.

Anyway, the situation doesn't look to be getting better. My grandmother said she was disappointed in me, and my parents ignored that.

For me, it's a tricky situation to adopt given the Asperger's, the history of depression, and what not. I don't expect any government agency would give a transwoman with that history the time of day to permit adoption.

None of those things discredit you from adopyion, do you have a criminal record?

[Wulfenia]

I'm unsure. Do you mean like "man boobs?" in which case, strong no.

Well, except in severe cases, they don't really look like man boobs. For the most part, they just look like enlarged pectorals.

No... even with gynecomastia they wouldn't be big enough or properly positioned for my desires.

Well, the thing is with me that I don't really want biological boobs, but I also don't really want a flat chest.

I'm okay with a flat chest, just not a male one.

[Nature-Spirits]

You probably would get one

The odds of me finding a more stable person given my orientation? I don't know... the odds are more likely I'm to be a virgin at 65 or dead by a transphobe than I am to find that partner at a young enough age.

I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean by the underlined. I mean, yeah, lesbians have often been pretty trans-exclusionary in the past, and such exclusion frequently continues in the present, but I really don't think it's as bad as you think it is. I know that you've had a bad experience with a lesbian individual in the past, although I'm not sure of specifics (which is fine), so I can't help but wonder if you're painting all lesbians with the same brush. I can assure you, many lesbians are wonderful, trans-affirming people. I've even had a conversation with one of my best friends (who is lesbian) about how normally I'm not into vaginas, except when they belong to men, and how she, similarly, is into women's penises but not into men's.

Of course, myself, I can really only date pansexuals, for the most part, and I agree with Gren that "be trans, date trans" is a good policy.

[Nature-Spirits]

Well, except in severe cases, they don't really look like man boobs. For the most part, they just look like enlarged pectorals.


Well, the thing is with me that I don't really want biological boobs, but I also don't really want a flat chest.

I'm okay with a flat chest, just not a male one.

I think that I would be okay with some breast growth -- hell, I'd probably be over the moon for the most part -- but I don't want a whole lot, because that would make me just as dysphoric as I am about having a completely flat chest. So, like, an inch of breast tissue out from my current chest would be the maximum for me, and I would just fill it out with a water bra or breast forms or whatever when I need to. If, when I start HRT, the growth in that area is happening too quickly for my taste (not that it should, since it's not my wish to have estrogen levels on the same level as a cis woman), I can just stop taking my hormones for a while, until I'm ready to start back up again.

[The Grey Wolf]

The odds of me finding a more stable person given my orientation? I don't know... the odds are more likely I'm to be a virgin at 65 or dead by a transphobe than I am to find that partner at a young enough age.

I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean by the underlined. I mean, yeah, lesbians have often been pretty trans-exclusionary in the past, and such exclusion frequently continues in the present, but I really don't think it's as bad as you think it is. I know that you've had a bad experience with a lesbian individual in the past, although I'm not sure of specifics (which is fine), so I can't help but wonder if you're painting all lesbians with the same brush. I can assure you, many lesbians are wonderful, trans-affirming people. I've even had a conversation with one of my best friends (who is lesbian) about how normally I'm not into vaginas, except when they belong to men, and how she, similarly, is into women's penises but not into men's.

This is good to hear.

Of course, myself, I can really only date pansexuals, for the most part, and I agree with Gren that "be trans, date trans" is a good policy.

I'm always available.

[Nature-Spirits]

Of course, myself, I can really only date pansexuals, for the most part, and I agree with Gren that "be trans, date trans" is a good policy.

I'm always available.

[Nature-Spirits]

Sad but true.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

I really don't understand non binary and it makes me feel sad in myself for some reason, my brain can't understand how someone wouldn't want to be full female or male and I wish I could understand. I'm a bad person. :/

[Hansberg]

The idea of transexualism has always been strange to me. But, that might be because I'm not one. If you're a transexual or transgender, good for you, just don't expect me to pay for your sex change. Although, you can expect me to be friendly.

I edited this because someone misread what I said. I can see how one might do so.

[Hetalia Dakota 2 II]

The idea of transexualism has always been strange to me. But, that might be because I'm not one. If you're a transexual or transgender, good for you, just don't expect me to pay for your sex change, and expect me to be friendly.

No, the last thing we'd do is expect to be treated with any spec of dignity like we're people. Good on your for disliking the cover and by extension transferring it to the whole book, I'm glad to know us being born with the wrong bodies irritates you enough to not be friendly.

[Hansberg]

The idea of transexualism has always been strange to me. But, that might be because I'm not one. If you're a transexual or transgender, good for you, just don't expect me to pay for your sex change, and expect me to be friendly.

No, the last thing we'd do is expect to be treated with any spec of dignity like we're people. Good on your for disliking the cover and by extension transferring it to the whole book, I'm glad to know us being born with the wrong bodies irritates you enough to not be friendly.

Uh, I said expect me to be friendly...

I harbor nothing bad against transgenders, it just confuses me. I think you misread what I said. I stated that I'm friendly towards transseuxals.

[Nature-Spirits]

I really don't understand non binary and it makes me feel sad in myself for some reason, my brain can't understand how someone wouldn't want to be full female or male and I wish I could understand. I'm a bad person. :/

Hey, you're not a bad person. Hell, I'm non-binary myself, and I didn't always understand non-binary gender. It's nothing to be ashamed of -- the fact that you're expressing a wish to learn more is a great sign.

I really can't explain how or why non-binary people feel the way we do. We just do. Personally, I cannot feel comfortable living 100% as male or female. Sometimes I'm a man, sometimes I'm a woman, sometimes I have no gender whatsoever, and most of the time I'm floating somewhere in between those three extremes. There are many other ways to experience non-binary gender as well: some people switch between two or more genders, others have a consistent gender identity between or encompassing male and female, while yet others don't identify with that gender framework at all. Many non-binary people experience dysphoria (and some have undergone a binary transition to escape dysphoria, only to find that it's still present or even amplified), but not all (the same is true of binary trans people).

[Val Halla]

Being NB must be depressing

[The Serbian Empire]

For me, it's a tricky situation to adopt given the Asperger's, the history of depression, and what not. I don't expect any government agency would give a transwoman with that history the time of day to permit adoption.

None of those things discredit you from adopyion, do you have a criminal record?

Nope... I guess I've been overly paranoid.

[Dyrrachium]

The odds of me finding a more stable person given my orientation? I don't know... the odds are more likely I'm to be a virgin at 65 or dead by a transphobe than I am to find that partner at a young enough age.

I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean by the underlined. I mean, yeah, lesbians have often been pretty trans-exclusionary in the past, and such exclusion frequently continues in the present, but I really don't think it's as bad as you think it is. I know that you've had a bad experience with a lesbian individual in the past, although I'm not sure of specifics (which is fine), so I can't help but wonder if you're painting all lesbians with the same brush. I can assure you, many lesbians are wonderful, trans-affirming people. I've even had a conversation with one of my best friends (who is lesbian) about how normally I'm not into vaginas, except when they belong to men, and how she, similarly, is into women's penises but not into men's.

Of course, myself, I can really only date pansexuals, for the most part, and I agree with Gren that "be trans, date trans" is a good policy.

A lesbian not being attracted to trans women isn't necessarily bad, it's preference.

[The Serbian Empire]

The odds of me finding a more stable person given my orientation? I don't know... the odds are more likely I'm to be a virgin at 65 or dead by a transphobe than I am to find that partner at a young enough age.

I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean by the underlined. I mean, yeah, lesbians have often been pretty trans-exclusionary in the past, and such exclusion frequently continues in the present, but I really don't think it's as bad as you think it is. I know that you've had a bad experience with a lesbian individual in the past, although I'm not sure of specifics (which is fine), so I can't help but wonder if you're painting all lesbians with the same brush. I can assure you, many lesbians are wonderful, trans-affirming people. I've even had a conversation with one of my best friends (who is lesbian) about how normally I'm not into vaginas, except when they belong to men, and how she, similarly, is into women's penises but not into men's.

Of course, myself, I can really only date pansexuals, for the most part, and I agree with Gren that "be trans, date trans" is a good policy.

I pretty much am exclusively attracted to female presenting individuals... and many a femme lesbian is a genetic girl preferring one who won't go near me no matter what. Transwomen lack a certain thing or two for baby carrying so pansexual cisfemales are my only viable realm of genetic offspring.

[Grenartia]

I really don't understand non binary and it makes me feel sad in myself for some reason, my brain can't understand how someone wouldn't want to be full female or male and I wish I could understand. I'm a bad person. :/

Hey, you're not a bad person. Hell, I'm non-binary myself, and I didn't always understand non-binary gender. It's nothing to be ashamed of -- the fact that you're expressing a wish to learn more is a great sign.

I really can't explain how or why non-binary people feel the way we do. We just do. Personally, I cannot feel comfortable living 100% as male or female. Sometimes I'm a man, sometimes I'm a woman, sometimes I have no gender whatsoever, and most of the time I'm floating somewhere in between those three extremes. There are many other ways to experience non-binary gender as well: some people switch between two or more genders, others have a consistent gender identity between or encompassing male and female, while yet others don't identify with that gender framework at all. Many non-binary people experience dysphoria (and some have undergone a binary transition to escape dysphoria, only to find that it's still present or even amplified), but not all (the same is true of binary trans people).

This.

Being NB must be depressing

I've described it as kind of being like Patrick Swayze in Ghost, or Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense.