The NS Mens Rights Thread

[Haktiva]

male privilege

no they don't

oh i see you were doing a funny haha

I think female on male rape is usually called begin made to penetrate, which isn't the same thing for some reason. However, I have thankfully scene a gender neutral definition of the crime popping up. Of course, we also see feminists making the definition synonymous with sexual harassment. Meaning the guy who stared a girl's butt for a few seconds too long is now on equal footing wight the guy who held a knife to a woman's throat and forced himself upon her.

[Liriena]

I do believe sexism does negatively affect many men, and this is an issue that deserves to be addressed. Much like with being a woman, being a man comes with certain expectations regardless of where you live, and those expectations can and sometimes do translate into harmful consequences for many men. These can take the form of the widespread misconception that men cannot be raped by women, or that not conforming to a certain set of looks, tastes and behaviours automatically divests you of your male gender and, therefor, makes you a lesser person.

I cannot speak for the issues raised by the OP, since I don't know much about them, but I do acknowledge that inequities do exist.

Now, as for the men's rights movement as it is today? I feel rather uneasy about it, mostly because I often get the feeling that it tends towards tackling its issues from the wrong angle. I personally feel much more comfortable addressing sexism as a whole, and its consequences for all genders, from within the scope of feminism.

[Ostroeuropa]

Another incident of domestic violence went viral today, thanks to the MRM. the one where she sets his crotch on fire while he slept.
No news source that i've seen calls it DV. The same problem often turns up for women raping men.

then what do they call it?

For rape they often use sex, or forced sex.
For DV it's often matter of factly stated what happened, but they don't call it DV.

Another incident of domestic violence went viral today, thanks to the MRM. the one where she sets his crotch on fire while he slept.
No news source that i've seen calls it DV. The same problem often turns up for women raping men.

what would you say causes this kind of thing to be brushed under the rug? Male ego or gynocentrism? Granted you could say they're both related, but I think the male ego can be largely independent of female wants and needs in such cases.

I'd say it's gynocentrism. There is no harm to the male ego to point out that ANOTHER guy got screwed over.

[Donut section]

So one of my better friends was in court today for two reasons, the most important was to put a domestic violence restraint on his ex gf. The second being a charge of assault for his gf beating the crap out of him with his xbox, which he got arrested and held in the watch house for two days for.

I haven't heard how he went, but after his arrest i am dubious what he can actually get out of this.

[Tierra Prime]

So one of my better friends was in court today for two reasons, the most important was to put a domestic violence restraint on his ex gf. The second being a charge of assault for his gf beating the crap out of him with his xbox, which he got arrested and held in the watch house for two days for.

I haven't heard how he went, but after his arrest i am dubious what he can actually get out of this.

He was arrested and charged for being beaten up?

[Alyakia]

So one of my better friends was in court today for two reasons, the most important was to put a domestic violence restraint on his ex gf. The second being a charge of assault for his gf beating the crap out of him with his xbox, which he got arrested and held in the watch house for two days for.

I haven't heard how he went, but after his arrest i am dubious what he can actually get out of this.

He was arrested and charged for being beaten up?

there are people on this very forum who go "pfft being beat up by a girl lol"

[Ashkera]

So one of my better friends was in court today for two reasons, the most important was to put a domestic violence restraint on his ex gf. The second being a charge of assault for his gf beating the crap out of him with his xbox, which he got arrested and held in the watch house for two days for.

I haven't heard how he went, but after his arrest i am dubious what he can actually get out of this.

He was arrested and charged for being beaten up?

Duluth Model.

[Galloism]

So one of my better friends was in court today for two reasons, the most important was to put a domestic violence restraint on his ex gf. The second being a charge of assault for his gf beating the crap out of him with his xbox, which he got arrested and held in the watch house for two days for.

I haven't heard how he went, but after his arrest i am dubious what he can actually get out of this.

He was arrested and charged for being beaten up?

It's typical. In fact, for what data we have, it's more likely for male victims to be arrested than female perpetrators when it comes to DV.

[Alyakia]

sorry but is that hard to type domestic violence

DV makes it sound less worse than what it is

[Donut section]

So one of my better friends was in court today for two reasons, the most important was to put a domestic violence restraint on his ex gf. The second being a charge of assault for his gf beating the crap out of him with his xbox, which he got arrested and held in the watch house for two days for.

I haven't heard how he went, but after his arrest i am dubious what he can actually get out of this.

He was arrested and charged for being beaten up?

Yes, but his lawyer managed to get the cops to realise he was the victim. The charges were dropped at court and an arrest warrant was issued for his ex. Who was in court for the other matter. So after he got the restraining order she was arrested.

So all good so far.

[Donut section]

He was arrested and charged for being beaten up?

there are people on this very forum who go "pfft being beat up by a girl lol"

I doubt there's many people on this forum who could stand in a ring with myself and most of my friends, we've been doing martial arts for 15+ years.

[Ostroeuropa]

He was arrested and charged for being beaten up?

Yes, but his lawyer managed to get the cops to realise he was the victim. The charges were dropped at court and an arrest warrant was issued for his ex. Who was in court for the other matter. So after he got the restraining order she was arrested.

So all good so far.

That's good news legally. How is he coping emotionally? I might be able to scrounge up some resources for him if you want.

[Donut section]

Yes, but his lawyer managed to get the cops to realise he was the victim. The charges were dropped at court and an arrest warrant was issued for his ex. Who was in court for the other matter. So after he got the restraining order she was arrested.

So all good so far.

That's good news legally. How is he coping emotionally? I might be able to scrounge up some resources for him if you want.

He's fine, bit shaken, the cops were a bit rough with him, thinking he beat his gf. Nothing that can be proven though so not much we can do about that.

[Ostroeuropa]

That's good news legally. How is he coping emotionally? I might be able to scrounge up some resources for him if you want.

He's fine, bit shaken, the cops were a bit rough with him, thinking he beat his gf. Nothing that can be proven though so not much we can do about that.

Are you the type of friends that can be emotionally open with eachother, or is there a level of walled offness and masculinity stuff?

[Tierra Prime]

That's good news legally. How is he coping emotionally? I might be able to scrounge up some resources for him if you want.

He's fine, bit shaken, the cops were a bit rough with him, thinking he beat his gf. Nothing that can be proven though so not much we can do about that.

Can he string up the cops that manhandled him?

[Tierra Prime]

He was arrested and charged for being beaten up?

It's typical. In fact, for what data we have, it's more likely for male victims to be arrested than female perpetrators when it comes to DV.

That goes against all logic.

That's like a women raping a man, and the man being arrested and charged with rape.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's typical. In fact, for what data we have, it's more likely for male victims to be arrested than female perpetrators when it comes to DV.

That goes against all logic.

That's like a women raping a man, and the man being arrested and charged with rape.

Yes it goes against all logic, but not against a political agenda.

the goal isn't to fix DV.

It's to drum up DV statistics that show women are more victimized than men. That lets you constantly demand more and more money to fix the problem.
It's a cash cow. Same as the rape hysteria cash cow.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/com ... ate_avoid/


The problem is, because of the duluth model and regularly "Violence against women!!" propoganda, the notion of a male victim of domestic violence is extremely resisted against.
In some places, the cops are legally required to remove the male, regardless of circumstance.

In others, a woman bawling her eyes out and claiming he hit her first will be taken at her word, even if he is saying the opposite.
etc.

The stupidity of all of this is that the mens rights movement will probably solve violence against women long before the feminist one does.

The statistics show that most injuries and deaths happen to women who start shit with their husbands and escalate until he snaps and murders them or punches them back.

The statistics also show that men dying from domestic abuse dropped sharply once shelters for women were established.

The reason?

Wives being beaten by their husbands no longer had to resort to murdering them to get it to stop.
Men?
They still have to resort to that.

The violence against women narrative causes violence against women.

The stats show that women initiate more domestic violence than men do.
They are the majority of unidirectional abusers.
Most abuse is bi-directional.

Basically, if we can teach women not to be violent assholes to men, we can stop the majority of domestic violence.
The problem is, we're too busy teaching men not to be violent assholes to women.
That, by the way, is why i'd say there's a gap. If we stopped teaching men that, then I expect the numbers would equalize.

As it is though? Women are the majority of domestic abusers. They start most of the abuse, and are most of the ones who abuse a partner who doesn't fight back.

The problem is that men fight back sometimes. This injures women. This is then taken by the "VAW!" cash cow institutions and spun into sexism against women so gib moneyz. They then use those moneyz to lobby governments into doing shit like putting in Duluth model laws that target male abusers and ignore female ones.

The violence against women campaign, taken in that context, is a state sanctioned master-slave relationship where defending yourself gets you jail time, but your master is free to beat you.

The duluth model made the reverse duluth model an actual reality.

Women are given social license to beat their husbands into submission and the state will back them up on it. It's a complete clusterfuck.

Just bare that in mind the next time you see a feminist on tv waffling about domestic abuse and women.

Remember, she's talking mostly about abusers, and she's butthurt that the state isn't arresting their victims fast enough for having the gall to defend themselves. Whether this is just the inevitable implication of what they are arguing through stupidity, callous and money grubbing sociopathy, or an expression of hatred for men is up in the air.
But it's one of them.

When I say shit like "Feminism is the largest lobby for rapists and domestic abusers in history", I mean it.

[Haktiva]

He was arrested and charged for being beaten up?

It's typical. In fact, for what data we have, it's more likely for male victims to be arrested than female perpetrators when it comes to DV.

This is really common. A lot of these stories I heard from my father and other older guys. How the hell they thought it was a good idea to be around these people in beyond me. Oh yeah, the lizard brain.

[Haktiva]

So Sweden is getting rid of affirmative action. Not surprised why. At least it's a win for those who like small government.

Sweden to abolish affirmative action

The Swedish government said Tuesday it would abolish affirmative action at universities since the practice has resulted in unjust advantage.

STOCKHOLM, January 12, 2010 (AFP) - The Swedish government said Tuesday it would abolish affirmative action at universities since the practice has resulted in male students being given admissions priority for several popular programmes.

"The education system should open doors -- not slam them in the face of motivated young women," Higher Education Minister Tobias Krantz wrote in an article in Sweden's leading daily Dagens Nyheter.

The government has allowed universities to practice affirmative action since 2003 in order to encourage an equal number of men and women at the country's universities.

Criticism has raged in Sweden recently after male students have been given priority to popular programmes where men are under-represented, in particular the medicine, psychology, veterinary and dentistry faculties.

For those programmes in particular, there are more women applicants with top grades than men, yet the men are admitted because of the affirmative action rule.

Women represent about 60 percent of university students in Sweden, a pioneer in gender equality.

"The current regulations yield a totally unfair result. Last year it was almost only women, 95 percent, who had worked hard to get into their dream programme but who did not get in because of their gender," Krantz wrote.

A Swedish appeals court recently ruled in favour of 44 women who were not admitted to a veterinary programme because of their gender, awarding them damages of 35,000 kronor (5,000 dollars, 3,400 euros) each.

In another class-action lawsuit currently in the courts, 31 women have sued Lund University in southern Sweden for discrimination for giving male students admissions priority to the psychology programme in 2008.

http://dalje.com/en-world/sweden-to-abo ... ion/289636

[Alyakia]

lol that is pretty funny

they should keep it

[Ostroeuropa]

lol that is pretty funny

they should keep it

I don't see what's funny about blatant hypocrisy and sexism against a gender in a strongly "feminist" country, do you?
It kind of shows that the MRM is entirely right in it's criticism of feminism and feminists.

That's the best case scenario.

Worst case MGTOW radicals are right and women are knowingly and willfully disingenuous and purely selfish, and will change what they think is fair at the drop of a hat to secure more resources for themselves.

[Alyakia]

lol that is pretty funny

they should keep it

I don't see what's funny about blatant hypocrisy and sexism against a gender in a strongly "feminist" country, do you?
It kind of shows that the MRM is entirely right in it's criticism of feminism and feminists.

your inability to understand the word funny or deliberate disregarding of the various ways in which the word funny can be interpreted so you can get on a horse of above average stature is not my problem

[The Princes of the Universe]

So Sweden is getting rid of affirmative action. Not surprised why. At least it's a win for those who like small government.

Sweden to abolish affirmative action

The Swedish government said Tuesday it would abolish affirmative action at universities since the practice has resulted in unjust advantage.

STOCKHOLM, January 12, 2010 (AFP) - The Swedish government said Tuesday it would abolish affirmative action at universities since the practice has resulted in male students being given admissions priority for several popular programmes.

"The education system should open doors -- not slam them in the face of motivated young women," Higher Education Minister Tobias Krantz wrote in an article in Sweden's leading daily Dagens Nyheter.

The government has allowed universities to practice affirmative action since 2003 in order to encourage an equal number of men and women at the country's universities.

Criticism has raged in Sweden recently after male students have been given priority to popular programmes where men are under-represented, in particular the medicine, psychology, veterinary and dentistry faculties.

For those programmes in particular, there are more women applicants with top grades than men, yet the men are admitted because of the affirmative action rule.

Women represent about 60 percent of university students in Sweden, a pioneer in gender equality.

"The current regulations yield a totally unfair result. Last year it was almost only women, 95 percent, who had worked hard to get into their dream programme but who did not get in because of their gender," Krantz wrote.

A Swedish appeals court recently ruled in favour of 44 women who were not admitted to a veterinary programme because of their gender, awarding them damages of 35,000 kronor (5,000 dollars, 3,400 euros) each.

In another class-action lawsuit currently in the courts, 31 women have sued Lund University in southern Sweden for discrimination for giving male students admissions priority to the psychology programme in 2008.

http://dalje.com/en-world/sweden-to-abo ... ion/289636

Typical SJWs. Equality is great for me but fuck thee.

[Ostroeuropa]

I don't see what's funny about blatant hypocrisy and sexism against a gender in a strongly "feminist" country, do you?
It kind of shows that the MRM is entirely right in it's criticism of feminism and feminists.

your inability to understand the word funny or deliberate disregarding of the various ways in which the word funny can be interpreted so you can get on a horse of above average stature is not my problem

I don't laugh at kitchen jokes either. Do you?
I certainly wouldn't bust into an area where people are trying to discuss discrimination against a gender, a gender many of them are, and then laugh at an incident of it.
How about you keep that shit to yourself.

[Alyakia]

your inability to understand the word funny or deliberate disregarding of the various ways in which the word funny can be interpreted so you can get on a horse of above average stature is not my problem

I don't laugh at kitchen jokes either. Do you?

irrelevant