Is there something wrong with Multiculturalism?

[Ndaku]

No there isn't.

[Anglo-Saxon North America]

Explain further

It's not complex. A monocultural society is not a desirable thing. Cultures that don't evolve and integrate stagnate and die.

And I'm typing this in English, the ultimate example of a hybrid language synthesised from others, born from millennia of cultural adaptation and assimilation.

If Anglo-european-origin culture exists at all, it's multicultural.

monoculturalism has the ability to evolve. You can take in bits and pieces of other, of varying similarity, into your own a monocultural melting-pot way. Even in the ridiculous assumption that a culture cannot evolve on its own you can keep a monocultural society with occasional influence outside.
To add, I think you lack understanding as to what brought the English language. The latinate vocabulary you have was brought under brutal Norman rule, and the English language itself just about wiped out all the Celtic languages of the British Isles. Old Britain is a perfect example of the harms of a multicultural society.

[Dortmundia]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_enclaves_in_North_American_cities#Germany

funny enough, I live not far at all from one of those. Fredericksburg, Texas. They don't:
Take offense from non-Lutheran/Catholic churches in the town
Take offense to non-German foods
Take offense to non-German architecture
Identify as non-American.[/quote]
This. Multiculturalism was ok throughout history and still is. As long foreign cultures do no threat to replace the dominant native culture and instead enriching it multiculturalism is fine. The only particular that is threatening is Islam. I know this will hurt the liberals but it is a fact tha muslims are more loyal to "their lands" instead of to the host country (just see the quote of Woolvich killer). Than the want that all people adjust to them so they choose to be offended if non-halal meat is served. If they do not like it than they should not use it.

[Byzantium Imperial]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_enclaves_in_North_American_cities#Germany

funny enough, I live not far at all from one of those. Fredericksburg, Texas. They don't:
Take offense from non-Lutheran/Catholic churches in the town
Take offense to non-German foods
Take offense to non-German architecture
Identify as non-American.

This. Multiculturalism was ok throughout history and still is. As long foreign cultures do no threat to replace the dominant native culture and instead enriching it multiculturalism is fine. The only particular that is threatening is Islam. I know this will hurt the liberals but it is a fact tha muslims are more loyal to "their lands" instead of to the host country (just see the quote of Woolvich killer). Than the want that all people adjust to them so they choose to be offended if non-halal meat is served. If they do not like it than they should not use it.

its also an afront to call the French Quarter representative of French culture anymore

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

the only thing that's wrong with multiculturalism is...

shoving it down people's throats

[Gauthier]

This. Multiculturalism was ok throughout history and still is. As long foreign cultures do no threat to replace the dominant native culture and instead enriching it multiculturalism is fine. The only particular that is threatening is Islam. I know this will hurt the liberals but it is a fact tha muslims are more loyal to "their lands" instead of to the host country (just see the quote of Woolvich killer). Than the want that all people adjust to them so they choose to be offended if non-halal meat is served. If they do not like it than they should not use it.

So Islam should be outlawed, mosques demolished and Muslims deported or forcibly converted then?

[Dortmundia]

This. Multiculturalism was ok throughout history and still is. As long foreign cultures do no threat to replace the dominant native culture and instead enriching it multiculturalism is fine. The only particular that is threatening is Islam. I know this will hurt the liberals but it is a fact tha muslims are more loyal to "their lands" instead of to the host country (just see the quote of Woolvich killer). Than the want that all people adjust to them so they choose to be offended if non-halal meat is served. If they do not like it than they should not use it.

So Islam should be outlawed, mosques demolished and Muslims deported or forcibly converted then?

Not in such art. Just stop immigration from the Middle Eeast and deport radical fanatics back from where they are coming. Otherwise UK and France will like Saudi Arabia without gay marriages and all stuff the left hoped.

[MERIZoC]

So Islam should be outlawed, mosques demolished and Muslims deported or forcibly converted then?

Not in such art. Just stop immigration from the Middle Eeast and deport radical fanatics back from where they are coming. Otherwise UK and France will like Saudi Arabia without gay marriages and all stuff the left hoped.

Are you aware what country has the largest Muslim population? Or, you know, the second, third, fourth, sixth, and seventh? Something tells me that you just don't like Arabs, eh?

[Byzantium Imperial]

Not in such art. Just stop immigration from the Middle Eeast and deport radical fanatics back from where they are coming. Otherwise UK and France will like Saudi Arabia without gay marriages and all stuff the left hoped.

Are you aware what country has the largest Muslim population? Or, you know, the second, third, fourth, sixth, and seventh? Something tells me that you just don't like Arabs, eh?

This ^
We should be discriminating on the basis of religion, not by ethnicity. Come on people, we are better then this!

[Haktiva]

Multiculturalism is a bit of an oxymoron since cultures compete with one another for dominance simply by people existing. As soon as one culture outnumbers the others, it's the dominant culture by default. I personally don't think it woks because conflict is extremely likely or a new one will take the place of all the other ones, meaning none of the cultures will be fully intact. That being said I'm not against it or for it, per say. I could care less what other people do, so long as I'm not being dragged into their insanity or at risk of being dragged into it.

Some of the arguments against it though are just silly, often nationalistic. Really funny to see white nationalists or black nationalists complain about stuff, their tribal identity being their only identity it would seem.

[Dortmundia]

Not in such art. Just stop immigration from the Middle Eeast and deport radical fanatics back from where they are coming. Otherwise UK and France will like Saudi Arabia without gay marriages and all stuff the left hoped.

Are you aware what country has the largest Muslim population? Or, you know, the second, third, fourth, sixth, and seventh? Something tells me that you just don't like Arabs, eh?

France has a 10% islamic population with the tendency to grow. I like Arabs when they are not radical muslims.

[Haktiva]

Are you aware what country has the largest Muslim population? Or, you know, the second, third, fourth, sixth, and seventh? Something tells me that you just don't like Arabs, eh?

France has a 10% islamic population with the tendency to grow. I like Arabs when they are not radical muslims.

so you don't like Muslims 100% of the time? Guess you need to be sent to cultural sensitivity reeducation.

[Anglo-Saxon North America]

This. Multiculturalism was ok throughout history and still is. As long foreign cultures do no threat to replace the dominant native culture and instead enriching it multiculturalism is fine. The only particular that is threatening is Islam. I know this will hurt the liberals but it is a fact tha muslims are more loyal to "their lands" instead of to the host country (just see the quote of Woolvich killer). Than the want that all people adjust to them so they choose to be offended if non-halal meat is served. If they do not like it than they should not use it.

So Islam should be outlawed, mosques demolished and Muslims deported or forcibly converted then?

didn't take long to get to accusations of extremism did it?

[Haktiva]

So Islam should be outlawed, mosques demolished and Muslims deported or forcibly converted then?

didn't take long to get to accusations of extremism did it?

all I know is that there's still bad blood in Europe towards Muslims thanks to history and the fact that a lot of them won't integrate, plus nationalism is a big thing in shitty economic times and the whole West is kinda in that right now so..... I say fuck it.

[UED]

Multiculturalism has its flaws but I am a proponent of it. Sure there are clashes between cultures but if utilized correctly then appreciation of difference cultures can flower (Like at my school the Asian kids (who grew up in a multicultural environment) don't hate each other, though I'm pretty sure the parent generations probably hate each other in large numbers)

[Grave_n_idle]

It's not complex. A monocultural society is not a desirable thing. Cultures that don't evolve and integrate stagnate and die.

And I'm typing this in English, the ultimate example of a hybrid language synthesised from others, born from millennia of cultural adaptation and assimilation.

If Anglo-european-origin culture exists at all, it's multicultural.

monoculturalism has the ability to evolve. You can take in bits and pieces of other, of varying similarity, into your own a monocultural melting-pot way. Even in the ridiculous assumption that a culture cannot evolve on its own you can keep a monocultural society with occasional influence outside.
To add, I think you lack understanding as to what brought the English language. The latinate vocabulary you have was brought under brutal Norman rule, and the English language itself just about wiped out all the Celtic languages of the British Isles. Old Britain is a perfect example of the harms of a multicultural society.

We don't live in 'Old Britain'. We live in a modern nation that exists within the same borders.

Of course, 'old Britain' was a multicultural society, anyway - long before 1066.

We have a long, proud history of assimilation.

[Mir i Ljubav]

I don't think the comment in the OP about Europe is true. My family were ethnic Russians who moved to Yugoslavia, and they had no trouble integrating, despite Yugoslav nationalism and the mutual dislike between it and the USSR. I think the problems faced by other cultures are often symptomatic of other, primarily economic, issues. The dominant culture will scapegoat minorities for their troubles because they don't know who else to blame, and as a result of the unfriendly climate, minorities will retreat into ghettos. Multiculturalism is a good thing in itself, and if people were more accepting and all cultures were preserved and celebrated - if the conditions would allow this - the problems which ostensibly arise from it wouldn't occur.

[Anglo-Saxon North America]

monoculturalism has the ability to evolve. You can take in bits and pieces of other, of varying similarity, into your own a monocultural melting-pot way. Even in the ridiculous assumption that a culture cannot evolve on its own you can keep a monocultural society with occasional influence outside.
To add, I think you lack understanding as to what brought the English language. The latinate vocabulary you have was brought under brutal Norman rule, and the English language itself just about wiped out all the Celtic languages of the British Isles. Old Britain is a perfect example of the harms of a multicultural society.

We don't live in 'Old Britain'. We live in a modern nation that exists within the same borders.

Of course, 'old Britain' was a multicultural society, anyway - long before 1066.

We have a long, proud history of assimilation.

It was multicultural. And those cultures eradicated each other basically. Scots and Irish are basically the last left from English eradication.
And the hell being "modern" has to do with it? People, societies don't change really.

[Anglo-Saxon North America]

I don't think the comment in the OP about Europe is true. My family were ethnic Russians who moved to Yugoslavia, and they had no trouble integrating, despite Yugoslav nationalism and the mutual dislike between it and the USSR. I think the problems faced by other cultures are often symptomatic of other, primarily economic, issues. The dominant culture will scapegoat minorities for their troubles because they don't know who else to blame, and as a result of the unfriendly climate, minorities will retreat into ghettos. Multiculturalism is a good thing in itself, and if people were more accepting and all cultures were preserved and celebrated - if the conditions would allow this - the problems which ostensibly arise from it wouldn't occur.

exactly. You integrated and it was fine. You didn't bring foreign culture with you.

[Grave_n_idle]

It was multicultural. And those cultures eradicated each other basically.

Not at all. There are elements of the various cultures that have been here - Roman, Viking, Norman, etc. - but that doesn't mean you can't see traces of the Celtic origins (for example). I'm not saying it was all picnics - it obviously wasn't - but the reason why the greatest empire that has ever existed was founded out of one tiny island off the coast of Europe, is that that little island was the result of the cream of warrior cultures coming to conquer, and marrying, and staying.

It wasn't eradication - it was assimilation.

Scots and Irish are basically the last left from English eradication.
And the hell being "modern" has to do with it?

The 'modern' part was referring to the fact that you were talking about 'Old Britain' - and we don't live in a medieval nation - we live in a modern nation within the same borders.

People, societies don't change really.

Everything changes. And if we don't evolve, we die.

[Grave_n_idle]

I don't think the comment in the OP about Europe is true. My family were ethnic Russians who moved to Yugoslavia, and they had no trouble integrating, despite Yugoslav nationalism and the mutual dislike between it and the USSR. I think the problems faced by other cultures are often symptomatic of other, primarily economic, issues. The dominant culture will scapegoat minorities for their troubles because they don't know who else to blame, and as a result of the unfriendly climate, minorities will retreat into ghettos. Multiculturalism is a good thing in itself, and if people were more accepting and all cultures were preserved and celebrated - if the conditions would allow this - the problems which ostensibly arise from it wouldn't occur.

exactly. You integrated and it was fine. You didn't bring foreign culture with you.

Meh. I'll take kebabs over yorkshire pudding any day.

[L Ron Cupboard]

exactly. You integrated and it was fine. You didn't bring foreign culture with you.

Meh. I'll take kebabs over yorkshire pudding any day.

What a sad place the UK would be without a good curry after a few pints of beer.

[ErVaReAn rEpUbLiC]

Most Western countries are struggling to integrate newcomers. France, Belgium, the Netherlands, the Nordic countries (not including Iceland) and a few others have utterly failed to integrate them into the labor market. As a result, opposition toward immigration and ethnic tensions are growing across much of Western Europe.

A slight overstatement perhaps, but you can find statistics on employment rates, unemployment rates, and labor force participation rates by native-born and foreign-born population by country (in the OECD) here: http://www.oecd.org/migration/internati ... 99124x.htm

Stats are by the OECD, so some caution urged. In my opinion they have failed to harmonize the stats across countries.

The problem is not Islam, it is the failure of social and economic integration.

[Grave_n_idle]

Meh. I'll take kebabs over yorkshire pudding any day.

What a sad place the UK would be without a good curry after a few pints of beer.

Preach it, brother.

[Mir i Ljubav]

I don't think the comment in the OP about Europe is true. My family were ethnic Russians who moved to Yugoslavia, and they had no trouble integrating, despite Yugoslav nationalism and the mutual dislike between it and the USSR. I think the problems faced by other cultures are often symptomatic of other, primarily economic, issues. The dominant culture will scapegoat minorities for their troubles because they don't know who else to blame, and as a result of the unfriendly climate, minorities will retreat into ghettos. Multiculturalism is a good thing in itself, and if people were more accepting and all cultures were preserved and celebrated - if the conditions would allow this - the problems which ostensibly arise from it wouldn't occur.

exactly. You integrated and it was fine. You didn't bring foreign culture with you.

Well, we still love our borscht and pelmeni...

We did in fact bring our foreign culture with us. We speak weird Romanian sprinkled with Russian words, we're Eastern Orthodox Christians (which sucks when you're in Croatia) and we for all intents and purposes identify as Russian. The same happened when our family lived in Romania; our Russian culture was intact, but we integrated fine despite it.