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What is the difference between Seattle, and Rwanda?

Postby Benuty » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:17 pm

One of them could face an outbreak of Polio if proper conditions were met.

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After an outbreak of measles last fall, Washington state health officials hoped that a small subset of parents would change their minds about getting their kids immunized.

But those parents weren’t moved.

In fact, looking at the latest reports of vaccine rates, health officials found that even more parents statewide are foregoing the whooping cough and measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccines.

“It's a real puzzle for us why people haven't responded better to the news about this disease,” said Paul Throne of the state Office of Immunization and Child Profile. He thought the news reports would have scared parents. Rather, studies found the dire news appears to have emboldened them.

Parents are also increasingly opting out of the polio vaccine. Seventeen years ago, 95.4 percent of kindergarteners in Washington state were vaccinated for polio.

This year, 88.4 percent had the vaccine.

It’s even more dramatic in Seattle, where 81.4 percent of kindergarteners have been vaccinated for polio. That’s lower than the 2013 polio immunization rates for 1-year-olds in Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Algeria, El Salvador, Guyana, Sudan, Iran, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia and Yemen, among other countries, according to data from the World Health Organization.

“We're concerned because we need to have about 95 percent of those kids vaccinated to protect everybody else who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons or because they're too young,” Throne said.

KUOW interviewed about a dozen parents last fall about why they chose not to give their kids all or some vaccines.

Julia Marks of Maple Leaf said she worried too many vaccines are given to infants at once. She said she believes some vaccines could be saved for older children.

"Polio is nonexistent in the states – so if you’re going to travel, it makes sense to do it," Marks said when interviewed last fall. "We are doing vaccines based on our family’s needs, not based on what doctors say we need to follow."

We are doing vaccines based on our family's needs, not based on what doctors say we need to follow.
Throne believes all children should be fully vaccinated according to the schedule set forth by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But he agreed it would be unlikely for polio to spread here in Seattle. Just three countries, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan, still have active cases of polio.

Still, those parents are taking a gamble, he said. Although polio has been nearly eradicated across the world, international travelers and immigrants could be carriers of the virus. After all, international travel was the source of most measles cases here.

An outside source is also likely how four Amish children in Minnesota contracted polio in 2005. The children, who were unvaccinated, were carrying a strain that had been lingering around for about two years, according to the Centers for Disease Control. An investigation determined the source of the virus likely came from another country.

“It's a reality that polio could return if we don't succeed in eliminating it,” Throne said. “Vaccination is the only tool we have to make sure that happens.”

Rhonda Whitehead, a polio survivor from the Kirkland-Bothell area, said she understands the concerns of parents who withhold some or all vaccines.

“The reasons are sincere,” Whitehead, 72, said. But she argued that the polio vaccine has been proven to be safe. It was introduced in 1954 after one of the most exhaustive medical trials in history and has held up as a safe drug.

“Obviously this is not something given a few years ago and we’re still wondering about it,” she said.

Whitehead facilitates a polio survivor support group in King County. She said some of the members contracted polio because their parents didn’t get them vaccinated.

“There’s a reason there hasn’t been polio since 1979, and that’s the vaccine,” Whitehead said, referring to the date when polio was believed to have been eradicated from the U.S.

Whitehead doesn’t remember much about having polio. She was 4 and living in Nebraska when the virus attacked several children in her tiny town. Mostly she remembers how it marked her parents for the rest of their lives.

“When I would complain, be upset that I hurt, that I had to wear high-top shoes or a brace, Mother would say, ‘It could be so much worse. Think about Nora, the little girl who died. You’re able to walk,’” she said. “I grew up knowing that I was lucky. I still carry that with me. It could have been so much worse. Parents at that time were grateful that their children lived.”


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The irony of affluence, and cognitive dissonance among the more educated population astounds me. Now they made the point of mentioning the last time Polio broke out in the U.S was in Minnesota when Amish children caught it from someone who had either traveled abroad or contracted it from someone who did. Of course that was only four, and this is something on a far bigger scale. Despite this mythology of vaccines being toxic (they are to those with medical problems), and the whole "we shouldn't have to fear this disease if we aren't traveling abroad" lie being disproven things might not change. If you want the rest of the story (radio interview, graphs, and informative polls) please click on the link. So what say you oh unleavened, and leavened masses of NSG?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:22 pm

Anti-vaxxers should have their children taken away from them. All it takes is a Nigerian, Afghani, or Pakistani individual to enter Seattle with the polio virus and it's going to spread like a forest fire.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:24 pm

Another reason that I'm happy to live in California. We don't put up with that nonsense here.

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Postby Benuty » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:26 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:Anti-vaxxers should have their children taken away from them. All it takes is a Nigerian, Afghani, or Pakistani individual to enter Seattle with the polio virus and it's going to spread like a forest fire.

Yeah Cannabis Islands linked to a great PBS documentary which showed just how bad some of these communities are. Out of all of them the Pacific Northwest tends to have it the worst. People like to think I am joking when I make a comment about smallpox killing millions due to the fact people buy into anti vaccine beliefs. I am being serious, and the fact we have diseases that were on the verge of death here reappearing is embarrassing. India would probably laugh at us since it took quite a lot of time for Polio to be eradicated there.
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Postby Iwassoclose » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:26 pm

12% of kindergartners huh, probably young parents who benefited from being vaccinated by their parents and now think that its pointless because they themselves have never had any problems.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:27 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Another reason that I'm happy to live in California. We don't put up with that nonsense here.

Well the state tries to anyway no matter how many bad eggs there are protesting the right for "choice". Jim Carey ought to refocus their priorities.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:28 pm

Can we just get refusing to vaccinate declared to be child abuse already?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:28 pm

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The Serbian Empire wrote:Anti-vaxxers should have their children taken away from them. All it takes is a Nigerian, Afghani, or Pakistani individual to enter Seattle with the polio virus and it's going to spread like a forest fire.

Yeah Cannabis Islands linked to a great PBS documentary which showed just how bad some of these communities are. Out of all of them the Pacific Northwest tends to have it the worst. People like to think I am joking when I make a comment about smallpox killing millions due to the fact people buy into anti vaccine beliefs. I am being serious, and the fact we have diseases that were on the verge of death here reappearing is embarrassing. India would probably laugh at us since it took quite a lot of time for Polio to be eradicated there.

The anti-vaxxers are dangerous and should be given life imprisonment for their disregard to human life. Any one of them could be the peg in the wheel that causes a pandemic.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:31 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:20% of kindergartners huh, probably young parents who benefited from being vaccinated by their parents and now think that its pointless because they themselves have never had any problems.

Unfortunately you hit the nail right on the head with the point about them never having to worry about it.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:31 pm

If I graduate in microbiology do I earn the right to punch these people in the face?

Because that would really help me narrow down my choices for next year.

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Postby Kar-Esseria » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:35 pm

Fuck anti-vaxxers, fuck the movement, and fuck the little asshole who started it all.

Why are these people so dense? How is it possible that they cannot understand that vaccines don't fucking harm people? How is it that they can cling to a single, falsified document for proof when there are millions out there disproving it? How can they just allow their children to get all these preventable diseases?

Honestly, it's times like this that I sympathize with those who support sterilizing stupid people. I know it's wrong to do so, but it's hard to argue against it when people are doing shit like this.

These people need their children taken away from them and arrested for child endangerment.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:36 pm

Esternial wrote:If I graduate in microbiology do I earn the right to punch these people in the face?

Because that would really help me narrow down my choices for next year.

Yes, you do.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:39 pm

Kar-Esseria wrote:Fuck anti-vaxxers, fuck the movement, and fuck the little asshole who started it all.

Why are these people so dense? How is it possible that they cannot understand that vaccines don't fucking harm people? How is it that they can cling to a single, falsified document for proof when there are millions out there disproving it? How can they just allow their children to get all these preventable diseases?

Honestly, it's times like this that I sympathize with those who support sterilizing stupid people. I know it's wrong to do so, but it's hard to argue against it when people are doing shit like this.

These people need their children taken away from them and arrested for child endangerment.

I would give them a deal of sterilization or prison time if I was a judge. I wonder how many anti-vaxxers will voluntarily sterilize themselves to avoid jail time.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:40 pm

Kar-Esseria wrote:Fuck anti-vaxxers

I'd advise against it.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:42 pm

Esternial wrote:
Kar-Esseria wrote:Fuck anti-vaxxers

I'd advise against it.

As it means sticking it in or having been stuck in by a person some would consider crazy.
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Anti vaxxers are child abusers. It's vile and disgusting.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:53 pm

Sekuo wrote:Anti vaxxers are child abusers. It's vile and disgusting.

There used to be an anti-vaxxer who would have made this thread light up like a deuce in the middle of the night. Now it's a lot of us agreeing on the same conclusion.
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There's a grave injustice in the world when loony anti-vaxxers never catch the disease they're exposing the rest of the population to.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:29 pm

Gauthier wrote:There's a grave injustice in the world when loony anti-vaxxers never catch the disease they're exposing the rest of the population to.

At this point, maybe it only means more anti-vaxxers will be made until it reaches critical mass.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:46 pm

These people are clearly unfit to be proper parents, as they are not only willing to endanger their children, but thousands of other people due to their stupid, nonsensical beliefs. They should have their children taken away from them.

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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:48 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:Anti-vaxxers should have their children taken away from them. All it takes is a Nigerian, Afghani, or Pakistani individual to enter Seattle with the polio virus and it's going to spread like a forest fire.


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The Serbian Empire wrote:
Gauthier wrote:There's a grave injustice in the world when loony anti-vaxxers never catch the disease they're exposing the rest of the population to.

At this point, maybe it only means more anti-vaxxers will be made until it reaches critical mass.


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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:48 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Anti-vaxxers should have their children taken away from them. All it takes is a Nigerian, Afghani, or Pakistani individual to enter Seattle with the polio virus and it's going to spread like a forest fire.


Where do you draw the line when it comes to respecting individual freedoms?

You draw the line when it gets to the point where thousands of people are endangered due to someone's stupid beliefs.

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Postby The 93rd Coalition » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:51 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:These people are clearly unfit to be proper parents, as they are not only willing to endanger their children, but thousands of other people due to their stupid, nonsensical beliefs. They should have their children taken away from them.


Um, no.

If they're perfectly caring and providing people who can adequately nurture and instruct children, the only flaw being that they don't currently give them vaccines, why on Earth would you risk giving them to an actually abusive parent who is actually unable to care for them on the whole? Not to mention that you'd probably scar the child anyway as a result.
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:53 pm

Rwanda is an advanced and sophisticated nation, with a highly educated middle class.

When there was war and suffering in the Balkans, the Rwanda Rotary Clubs sent hundreds of thousands of dollars in aid to that region.

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