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Should Khael gain independence?

Poll ended at Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:07 am

Yes
9
29%
No
5
16%
Draw
0
No votes
Abstain
1
3%
Proper negotiations first
16
52%
 
Total votes : 31

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Kalatun
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Postby Kalatun » Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:32 am

Why not? I was sharpening my knife :(
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Claven
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Postby Claven » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:22 am

Kalatun wrote:Why not? I was sharpening my knife :(


We'll see what happens first :twisted:
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:24 am

Claven wrote:
Kalatun wrote:Why not? I was sharpening my knife :(


We'll see what happens first :twisted:

:shock:
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Claven
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Postby Claven » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:33 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Claven wrote:
We'll see what happens first :twisted:

:shock:


well, we're all involved now. Wonder how the supreme council is gonna react when all those foreign ships arrive?
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:36 am

Are the secessionists supposed to be blatantly capitalist, or is that just a faction within them?
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Claven
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Postby Claven » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:40 am

Wallenburg wrote:Are the secessionists supposed to be blatantly capitalist, or is that just a faction within them?


Well, I dunno how Marc is planning to deal with things. But when i thought of this, I planned that most of the parties would be like the SNP and green parties. But I think that they're like third way capitalism

But all of Claven is pretty third way. Maybe they're like less regulated. Looking at the way Marc is answering issues, I think he's getting rid of some regulations and is offering subsidies
Last edited by Claven on Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:42 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Their promiscuity? Scary.
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Khael (Ancient)
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Founded: Jul 09, 2015
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Postby Khael (Ancient) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:47 am

Claven wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Are the secessionists supposed to be blatantly capitalist, or is that just a faction within them?


Well, I dunno how Marc is planning to deal with things. But when i thought of this, I planned that most of the parties would be like the SNP and green parties. But I think that they're like third way capitalism

But all of Claven is pretty third way. Maybe they're like less regulated. Looking at the way Marc is answering issues, I think he's getting rid of some regulations and is offering subsidies


Nah, I think I'm gonna go for a more of Reagan/Thatcher style economics

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Claven
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Postby Claven » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:49 am

Khael wrote:
Claven wrote:
Well, I dunno how Marc is planning to deal with things. But when i thought of this, I planned that most of the parties would be like the SNP and green parties. But I think that they're like third way capitalism

But all of Claven is pretty third way. Maybe they're like less regulated. Looking at the way Marc is answering issues, I think he's getting rid of some regulations and is offering subsidies


Nah, I think I'm gonna go for a more of Reagan/Thatcher style economics


Well, their loss I suppose
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Khael (Ancient)
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Postby Khael (Ancient) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:52 am

Claven wrote:
Khael wrote:
Nah, I think I'm gonna go for a more of Reagan/Thatcher style economics


Well, their loss I suppose


:eyebrow:

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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:58 am

Khael wrote:
Claven wrote:
Well, I dunno how Marc is planning to deal with things. But when i thought of this, I planned that most of the parties would be like the SNP and green parties. But I think that they're like third way capitalism

But all of Claven is pretty third way. Maybe they're like less regulated. Looking at the way Marc is answering issues, I think he's getting rid of some regulations and is offering subsidies


Nah, I think I'm gonna go for a more of Reagan/Thatcher style economics

So...capitalist. Wrong answer Khael. *pumps shotgun*
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Khael (Ancient)
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Postby Khael (Ancient) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:05 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Khael wrote:
Nah, I think I'm gonna go for a more of Reagan/Thatcher style economics

So...capitalist. Wrong answer Khael. *pumps shotgun*


But don't you think that its the peoples right to choose. There still will be elections. And the monarch is neutral

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Claven
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Postby Claven » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:21 am

Just in case you all dont know, this all is canon, and will be added to Clavens wiki, whenever I find the time to update it
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Their promiscuity? Scary.
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:27 am

Khael wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:So...capitalist. Wrong answer Khael. *pumps shotgun*


But don't you think that its the peoples right to choose. There still will be elections. And the monarch is neutral

M-m-monarch?!? *starts foaming at the mouth*
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Friedensreich
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Postby Friedensreich » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:29 am

Khael wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:So...capitalist. Wrong answer Khael. *pumps shotgun*


But don't you think that its the peoples right to choose. There still will be elections. And the monarch is neutral

Don't bother. You have capitalists at your side that will kill any communist that tries anything and will help you economically.
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Claven
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Postby Claven » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:35 am

Friedensreich wrote:
Khael wrote:
But don't you think that its the peoples right to choose. There still will be elections. And the monarch is neutral

Don't bother. You have capitalists at your side that will kill any communist that tries anything and will help you economically.


Wow, and I thought we were partners. Turns out your words cant be trusted
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Their promiscuity? Scary.
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Khael (Ancient)
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Postby Khael (Ancient) » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:36 am

Friedensreich wrote:
Khael wrote:
But don't you think that its the peoples right to choose. There still will be elections. And the monarch is neutral

Don't bother. You have capitalists at your side that will kill any communist that tries anything and will help you economically.


Eh, we're democratic. We're like Claven in the sense of the will of the people and all that

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Friedensreich
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Postby Friedensreich » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:38 am

Claven wrote:
Friedensreich wrote:Don't bother. You have capitalists at your side that will kill any communist that tries anything and will help you economically.


Wow, and I thought we were partners. Turns out your words cant be trusted

My hands were tied if they became independent. No hard feelings
Now that they are independent, I am with them as they are a capitalist nation under scrutiny.
I tried to cool things down by having the Kaiserin talk to your government, but the open abandonment everything "Fredensreich" related is something that breaks the alliance.
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"Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice; socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality." -Bakunin

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Claven
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Postby Claven » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:41 am

Friedensreich wrote:
Claven wrote:
Wow, and I thought we were partners. Turns out your words cant be trusted

My hands were tied if they became independent. No hard feelings
Now that they are independent, I am with them as they are a capitalist nation under scrutiny.
I tried to cool things down by having the Kaiserin talk to your government, but the open abandonment everything "Fredensreich" related is something that breaks the alliance.


I meant it in the sense that, nobody can show open support to you because you sent a fleet to defend Khael
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Cumberlanda wrote:Not exactly frightened at their military.
Their promiscuity? Scary.
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Friedensreich
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Founded: May 02, 2015
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Postby Friedensreich » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:44 am

Claven wrote:
Friedensreich wrote:My hands were tied if they became independent. No hard feelings
Now that they are independent, I am with them as they are a capitalist nation under scrutiny.
I tried to cool things down by having the Kaiserin talk to your government, but the open abandonment everything "Fredensreich" related is something that breaks the alliance.


I meant it in the sense that, nobody can show open support to you because you sent a fleet to defend Khael

It still breaks the alliance. It is the discrimination against supporters of the Empire that tears it.
"Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice; socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality." -Bakunin

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Claven
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Postby Claven » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:46 am

Friedensreich wrote:
Claven wrote:
I meant it in the sense that, nobody can show open support to you because you sent a fleet to defend Khael

It still breaks the alliance. It is the discrimination against supporters of the Empire that tears it.


Wouldnt you have broken the alliance first by sending the ships. We didnt discriminate against your supporters until your leader made the embargo
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The Unified Earth Government
Finsternia
Completed!! Open for business!! TG me!!
Cumberlanda wrote:Not exactly frightened at their military.
Their promiscuity? Scary.
Coalition for Justice

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Friedensreich
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Postby Friedensreich » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:53 am

Again, my hands were tied. I had to send military aid to a capitalist nation that is likely to be attacked.
"Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice; socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality." -Bakunin

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Claven
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Postby Claven » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:10 am

Friedensreich wrote:Again, my hands were tied. I had to send military aid to a capitalist nation that is likely to be attacked.


Yeah, so you would rather side with ideologically aligned nations than your allies.

Anyways, if the capitalist league does come in, I've got certain people I could rely on
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Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest



My Views On These Nations
The Unified Earth Government
Finsternia
Completed!! Open for business!! TG me!!
Cumberlanda wrote:Not exactly frightened at their military.
Their promiscuity? Scary.
Coalition for Justice

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Friedensreich
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Postby Friedensreich » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:13 am

Claven wrote:
Friedensreich wrote:Again, my hands were tied. I had to send military aid to a capitalist nation that is likely to be attacked.


Yeah, so you would rather side with ideologically aligned nations that your allies.

Anyways, if the capitalist league does come in, I've got certain people I could rely on

Alright.
I've been aligned with capitalsm since the beginning. If in any way is a fellow capitalist hurt, I will try to help them. And since this is a case of "ally v. beliefs"...
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Hyd Gohin
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Postby Hyd Gohin » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:15 am

I posted to the IC. Sending troops to Claven to quash what many of the populace in Hyd Gohin see as a revolution.
not Finnish

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Postby Hyd Gohin » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:16 am

We are on the side of Claven, just to reiterate.
not Finnish

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