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Postby Edward Richtofen » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:10 pm

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New Rob Halfordia wrote:What do you mean? Phil Anselmo is great.


Second half or so of the Pantera days he was a massive asshole. Remember the "white power" rants? Heroin is a helluva drug.

he's an ass that's questionably bigoted but he's a great vocalist.
Though 90% of his music is trash the 10% that is not trash is rather great
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Pantera has like, 2 good songs I can name. I hate to use him like this, but I think they wouldn't be so popular if Dimebag didn't get plugged.
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Ameriganastan wrote:Pantera has like, 2 good songs I can name. I hate to use him like this, but I think they wouldn't be so popular if Dimebag didn't get plugged.

Cowboys From Hell, Cemetery Gates, Mouth For War, Walk, Drag the Waters
5 at the most
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:50 am

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Could you maybe tell me why they're "just another X band"? Also I'm not seeing how Mastodon qualifies as groove metal but...whatever. Again.



Iron Maiden?

No, Judas Priest, of course.


I'm not familiar enough with either of them.

An extreme example would be Bullet for My Valentine, though. Listen to their first EP, then listen to their latest albums. I think Carcass and, to a lesser extent, Napalm Death did the same thing. Grindcore isn't as popular as death metal. At least Napalm Death kept some grindcore in their 90s albums. Carcass totally left for melodic death metal.
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Postby Cadonica » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:02 am

Kiaculta wrote:
Cadonica wrote:They fall into "just another X band" (Lamb of God, Cattle Decapitation, Nile...), or groove metal (Mastodon, Lamb of God) or haven't listened to (Pig Destroyer, Skeletonwitch, High on Fire, Brutal Truth) but looking at the genres I don't think I'm missing much.


Could you maybe tell me why they're "just another X band"?

Cattle Decapitation is just another generic brutal death metal band with animal rights lyrics, Nile is just another brutal death metal band with Egypt lyrics, Lamb of God is just another groove metal/metalcore band etc etc, they offer little to nothing new to the existing genres.

Ameriganastan wrote:Pantera has like, 2 good songs I can name. I hate to use him like this, but I think they wouldn't be so popular if Dimebag didn't get plugged.

Their best albums were released before Cowboys from Hell anyways.
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Postby Kiaculta » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:59 am

Edward Richtofen wrote:
Ameriganastan wrote:Pantera has like, 2 good songs I can name. I hate to use him like this, but I think they wouldn't be so popular if Dimebag didn't get plugged.

Cowboys From Hell, Cemetery Gates, Mouth For War, Walk, Drag the Waters
5 at the most


Domination, Heresy, The Sleep, Hollow, Fucking Hostile, I'm Broken, 5 Minutes Alone, Becoming, The Great Southern Trendkill, Floods, Suicide Note Pt 1 and 2, Revolution Is My Name...

Have you listened to any of their albums in full? Seriously, what's with the Pantera hate that's been showing up recently?

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New Rob Halfordia wrote:No, Judas Priest, of course.


I'm not familiar enough with either of them.

An extreme example would be Bullet for My Valentine, though. Listen to their first EP, then listen to their latest albums. I think Carcass and, to a lesser extent, Napalm Death did the same thing. Grindcore isn't as popular as death metal. At least Napalm Death kept some grindcore in their 90s albums. Carcass totally left for melodic death metal.


Wait so, to you, Napalm Death was marketing to a wider audience with DEATH METAL? Same goes for Carcass?
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Postby Cadonica » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:07 am

Brutal death metal with banjo
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Kiaculta wrote:
Edward Richtofen wrote:Cowboys From Hell, Cemetery Gates, Mouth For War, Walk, Drag the Waters
5 at the most


Domination, Heresy, The Sleep, Hollow, Fucking Hostile, I'm Broken, 5 Minutes Alone, Becoming, The Great Southern Trendkill, Floods, Suicide Note Pt 1 and 2, Revolution Is My Name...


I'll join this favorite Pantera songs discussion!

Takin' My Life, I am the Night, Daughters of the Queen, Biggest Part of Me, Out for Blood, Heavy Metal Rules!, Cowboys from Hell, Psycho Holiday, Mouth for War, Walk, Uplift.

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I'm not familiar enough with either of them.

An extreme example would be Bullet for My Valentine, though. Listen to their first EP, then listen to their latest albums. I think Carcass and, to a lesser extent, Napalm Death did the same thing. Grindcore isn't as popular as death metal. At least Napalm Death kept some grindcore in their 90s albums. Carcass totally left for melodic death metal.


Wait so, to you, Napalm Death was marketing to a wider audience with DEATH METAL? Same goes for Carcass?

Well, death metal is more popular than grindcore so there's that.
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Seen it before and it's VERY metal.
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Postby Kiaculta » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:38 am

Cadonica wrote:
Kiaculta wrote:
Domination, Heresy, The Sleep, Hollow, Fucking Hostile, I'm Broken, 5 Minutes Alone, Becoming, The Great Southern Trendkill, Floods, Suicide Note Pt 1 and 2, Revolution Is My Name...


I'll join this favorite Pantera songs discussion!

Takin' My Life, I am the Night, Daughters of the Queen, Biggest Part of Me, Out for Blood, Heavy Metal Rules!, Cowboys from Hell, Psycho Holiday, Mouth for War, Walk, Uplift.

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Wait so, to you, Napalm Death was marketing to a wider audience with DEATH METAL? Same goes for Carcass?

Well, death metal is more popular than grindcore so there's that.


Maybe I'm not reading this right but: So that means grindcore is automatically better because it's not as popular? Do I have to sound the hipster alert?
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Postby Cadonica » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:42 am

Kiaculta wrote:
Cadonica wrote:
I'll join this favorite Pantera songs discussion!

Takin' My Life, I am the Night, Daughters of the Queen, Biggest Part of Me, Out for Blood, Heavy Metal Rules!, Cowboys from Hell, Psycho Holiday, Mouth for War, Walk, Uplift.


Well, death metal is more popular than grindcore so there's that.


Maybe I'm not reading this right but: So that means grindcore is automatically better because it's not as popular? Do I have to sound the hipster alert?

No?
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Postby Kiaculta » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:44 am

Cadonica wrote:
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Maybe I'm not reading this right but: So that means grindcore is automatically better because it's not as popular? Do I have to sound the hipster alert?

No?


Okay so changing to death metal isn't bad.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:47 am

Kiaculta wrote:
Cadonica wrote:No?

Okay so changing to death metal isn't bad.

You could also claim it's the other way around, by the way. Napalm Death and Carcass had more than a little influence on the evolution of death metal.
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Postby Kiaculta » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:49 am

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Kiaculta wrote:Okay so changing to death metal isn't bad.

You could also claim it's the other way around, by the way. Napalm Death and Carcass had more than a little influence on the evolution of death metal.


Especially Napalm Death with the blast beats.

I'll conclude here: Napalm Death did not "sell out" by adopting death metal elements, nor did Carcass for taking on melodeath. I've heard assumptions of both in the past and to me it's stupid. In my opinion "selling out" means appealing to the "mainstream audience", for example Metallica adopting a hard rock sound or In Flames becoming more alternative. The majority of the "mainstream audience" doesn't even know what death metal sounds like.
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Postby Cadonica » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:53 am

Kiaculta wrote:for example Metallica adopting a hard rock sound

This is a perfect example that "selling out" isn't always bad.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:57 am

Cadonica wrote:
Kiaculta wrote:for example Metallica adopting a hard rock sound

This is a perfect example that "selling out" isn't always bad.

Opinions may vary. Opinions may vary wildly, even.
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Postby Kiaculta » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:14 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Cadonica wrote:This is a perfect example that "selling out" isn't always bad.

Opinions may vary. Opinions may vary wildly, even.


Oh yes indeed.
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Postby Cosumar » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:23 am

Cadonica wrote:Cattle Decapitation is just another generic brutal death metal band with animal rights lyrics

They used to be. If their discography ended in like 2007, I would agree with you.

But as of their last two albums, I couldn't disagree more. They've evolved into a new sound that is progressive, melodic and atmospheric in a filthy sort of way, while somehow becoming even more brutal at the same time. Travis Ryan's new "clean" vocal style is unlike anything else I've heard. It's fucking inhuman and just....awesome. Listen to the Monolith of Inhumanity if you haven't, because Cattle Decapitation really became their own monster on that one. Name one band that sounds like that. Really, please do, because I've been looking and haven't found anything :p

Ameriganastan wrote:Pantera has like, 2 good songs I can name. I hate to use him like this, but I think they wouldn't be so popular if Dimebag didn't get plugged.

Yeah, they are very hit-or-miss. The only song I really love by them is Domination. Cemetery Gates and Cowboys From Hell are pretty good too. But all in all I consider them overrated. They're good, but not legendary status.
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Postby New Rob Halfordia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:26 am

Cosumar wrote:
Cadonica wrote:Cattle Decapitation is just another generic brutal death metal band with animal rights lyrics

They used to be. If their discography ended in like 2007, I would agree with you.

But as of their last two albums, I couldn't disagree more. They've evolved into a new sound that is progressive, melodic and atmospheric in a filthy sort of way, while somehow becoming even more brutal at the same time. Travis Ryan's new "clean" vocal style is unlike anything else I've heard. It's fucking inhuman and just....awesome. Listen to the Monolith of Inhumanity if you haven't, because Cattle Decapitation really became their own monster on that one. Name one band that sounds like that. Really, please do, because I've been looking and haven't found anything :p

Ameriganastan wrote:Pantera has like, 2 good songs I can name. I hate to use him like this, but I think they wouldn't be so popular if Dimebag didn't get plugged.

Yeah, they are very hit-or-miss. The only song I really love by them is Domination. Cemetery Gates and Cowboys From Hell are pretty good too. But all in all I consider them overrated. They're good, but not legendary status.

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Postby Cadonica » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:38 am

Cosumar wrote:
Cadonica wrote:Cattle Decapitation is just another generic brutal death metal band with animal rights lyrics

They used to be. If their discography ended in like 2007, I would agree with you.

But as of their last two albums, I couldn't disagree more. They've evolved into a new sound that is progressive, melodic and atmospheric in a filthy sort of way, while somehow becoming even more brutal at the same time. Travis Ryan's new "clean" vocal style is unlike anything else I've heard. It's fucking inhuman and just....awesome. Listen to the Monolith of Inhumanity if you haven't, because Cattle Decapitation really became their own monster on that one. Name one band that sounds like that. Really, please do, because I've been looking and haven't found anything :p

Sounds like a challenge. I'll take it :p
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Postby Szertica » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:51 am

Cadonica wrote:
Kiaculta wrote:for example Metallica adopting a hard rock sound

This is a perfect example that "selling out" isn't always bad.

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Edward Richtofen wrote:Cowboys From Hell, Cemetery Gates, Mouth For War, Walk, Drag the Waters
5 at the most


Domination, Heresy, The Sleep, Hollow, Fucking Hostile, I'm Broken, 5 Minutes Alone, Becoming, The Great Southern Trendkill, Floods, Suicide Note Pt 1 and 2, Revolution Is My Name...

Have you listened to any of their albums in full? Seriously, what's with the Pantera hate that's been showing up recently?

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Postby NeuPolska » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:55 am

Metal kind of got a bit generic lately...just judging by what you guys are saying and what I listen to (I do like a few of the bands that you guys listed)...so how would something not be generic then? I wouldn't want to make a fusion genre or something just to be different...

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