How Much Freedom is Too Much Freedom?

[Neo Telangana]

I am framing this question in NS terms, but you can answer it in RL terms as well.

I have found it interesting how, unlike the Economy, the rankings for Civil Rights and Political Freedoms in NS get "worse" once you pass a certain stage. It seems that the "ideal" ranking for both is the so-called "World Benchmark" rank. Anything above that, and you get negative-sounding rankings like "Widely Abused", "Corrupted", and "Excessive". Thus, it seems that whoever created this game believes that personal and political freedom is only good up to a point. Do you agree with this belief? If not, why not?

What civil rights and political freedom rankings do you personally aim for in your nation(s)?

[The New Sea Territory]

Freedom should only be limited by other individuals' freedom.

[Llamalandia]

I am framing this question in NS terms, but you can answer it in RL terms as well.

I have found it interesting how, unlike the Economy, the rankings for Civil Rights and Political Freedoms in NS get "worse" once you pass a certain stage. It seems that the "ideal" ranking for both is the so-called "World Benchmark" rank. Anything above that, and you get negative-sounding rankings like "Widely Abused", "Corrupted", and "Excessive". Thus, it seems that whoever created this game believes that personal and political freedom is only good up to a point. Do you agree with this belief? If not, why not?

What civil rights and political freedom rankings do you personally aim for in your nation(s)?

Basically causing actual harm to other actively would be a pretty good starting point for discussion. I mean, basically, you have to limit freedom that violates the principle of nonagreesion. Beyond that though, it largely pretty wide open.

[MERIZoC]

Freedom should only be limited by other individuals' freedom.

Yes.

[Skinhead Nation]

No amount of freedom is enough freedom.

[Llamalandia]

Freedom should only be limited by other individuals' freedom.

Depends what is included in individual freedom. I mean, some might argue that people have a right to be free from offense, but clearly that right would come into conflict with a right to free speech. So how does one reconcile the two freedoms?

[Esternial]

Freedom is like WiFi.

You've got people that really want it everywhere, full bars and present all the time in any kind of scenario.

Most sane individuals are comfortable with it having a presence in our society, but within reasonable bounds.

[Neo Telangana]

Freedom is like WiFi.

You've got people that really want it everywhere, full bars and present all the time in any kind of scenario.

Most sane individuals are comfortable with it having a presence in our society, but within reasonable bounds.

How do you define those "reasonable bounds", and how do you think they correlate to NS stats? Is anything beyond "World Benchmark" unreasonable?

[Esternial]

Freedom is like WiFi.

You've got people that really want it everywhere, full bars and present all the time in any kind of scenario.

Most sane individuals are comfortable with it having a presence in our society, but within reasonable bounds.

How do you define those "reasonable bounds", and how do you think they correlate to NS stats? Is anything beyond "World Benchmark" unreasonable?

I guess some establishments and public buildings can offer free-wifi but it needn't be everywhere, you know.

Oh you're talking about freedom.

Haven't the foggiest, mate.

[The Qeiiam Galaxy]

North Korea has the perfect amount of freedom. *nods*

[Phineana]

Freedom is one of the most important pieces of a society. Without freedom, we only obey out of blind loyalty or fear of punishment. In a free society individuals may choose their own path without others imposing their will on them. That being said, there are some restrictions we must accept. Security and safety are another very important part of a society and we must learn to balance them with our freedom. One can't have both perfect freedom and perfect safety.

[Calimera II]

No amount of freedom is enough freedom.

So let's kill everyone cuz freedom?

[New Werpland]

Freedom should be limited by other people's rights, but more importantly respect for life.

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm satisfied with Excellent or Good for my country.

Its not really a big objective for me though (my country typically oscillates between Father Knows Best State and Libertarian Police State).

I'm more interested in building a powerful military, a strong social safety net and public transport network, and improving the arts.

[Hirota]

Freedom, freedom, freedom, oy! Freedom, freedom, freedom, oy!

[Skinhead Nation]

No amount of freedom is enough freedom.

So let's kill everyone cuz freedom?

Because that's totally not against freedom of others.

[New Werpland]

Freedom should be limited by other people's rights, but more importantly respect for life.

But the op didn't focus on what kind of freedom. Why not teleological freedom, which would imply forcing people to produce babies so that more free individuals come into existence?

On NS the freedom index is measured based on Egalitarian Freedom.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I'm no political scientist or whatever, so I can't exactly describe what too much freedom is outside of,"Being allowed to hurt people."

[Onocarcass]

My personal opinion is this.

Economics > Civil Freedom > Political Freedom > Burgers

[New Werpland]

My personal opinion is this.

Economics > Civil Freedom > Political Freedom > Burgers

How are you using the ">" symbol?

For example if you typed "Geert Wilders > Vladimir Putin" Is Putin more important or is Geert?

[Onocarcass]

My personal opinion is this.

Economics > Civil Freedom > Political Freedom > Burgers

How are you using the ">" symbol?

For example if you typed "Geert Wilders > Vladimir Putin" Is Putin more important or is Geert?

2 > 1

2 is greater than 1

[New Werpland]

How are you using the ">" symbol?

For example if you typed "Geert Wilders > Vladimir Putin" Is Putin more important or is Geert?

2 > 1

2 is greater than 1

What's your opinion on slavery?

[Calimera II]

2 > 1

2 is greater than 1

What's your opinion on slavery?

Morals can be included in the ''economy'' section. But some people here don't believe in morals at all.

[New Werpland]

What's your opinion on slavery?

Morals can be included in the ''economy'' section. But some people here don't believe in morals at all.

Maybe if you're a Utilitarian of some sort, but that isn't often.

As for those who don't believe in morals or objectivity, I wouldn't be surprised with them valuing the economy.

[Sociobiology]

if you can poop in my toaster without repercussions you have too much freedom.