Europe's Problem With Islam

[Kubra]

Europe's reputation for rationalism and tolerance is rapidly wearing thin.

It was never well tested, except in the instances of oppression of Jews and Gypsies, and those situations were not particularly well handled.

I can find resources from England of 60 years ago which boast at how tolerant the English had become. Why? Because they no longer excluded the Irish and Welsh from employment, housing and benefits. There was tolerance for you, one white person tolerating another.

dude racial discourse ain't totally reducible to the dark to white spectrum
sry bro but the irish were catholic and the brits hate(d?) catholics just as much as they hate brown people.

[Teemant]

You're talking about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe#Population_of_Western_Europe

I'm talking about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Europe#/media/File:Europe_subregion_map_UN_geoschme.svg

And even in EU Spain is considered Southern European country.

For someone who was going on about history not too long ago you're pretty eager to toss it out now.

Historically, Spain has had a significant influence in Western Europe. I know shit about history and even I know that.

Can anyone answer then what are the islamic things that western europeans do everyday? How is islam part of their culture (ethics, songs etc)?

[Ereria]

For someone who was going on about history not too long ago you're pretty eager to toss it out now.

Historically, Spain has had a significant influence in Western Europe. I know shit about history and even I know that.

Can anyone answer then what are the islamic things that western europeans do everyday? How is islam part of their culture (ethics, songs etc)?

Numbers are from Arabs. A lot of literal texts were taken care of muslims. If muslims had not taken care of the litterature from Europe, Europe would have lost a lot of their knowledge about known philiosphers like Plato and Aristotle.

[Teemant]

Can anyone answer then what are the islamic things that western europeans do everyday? How is islam part of their culture (ethics, songs etc)?

Numbers are from Arabs. A lot of literal texts were taken care of muslims. If muslims had not taken care of the litterature from Europe, Europe would have lost a lot of their knowledge about known philiosphers like Plato and Aristotle.

These numbers were inventend 2000 years before Islam existed.
Muslims took care of them... Europeans have artifacts in their museums from all around the world too.

But going back to my original question:

Can anyone answer then what are the islamic things that western europeans do everyday? How is islam part of their culture (ethics, songs etc)?

I want to make sure that people understand that I'm not against foreigners or anything like that. I have no problem with people who practice their religion and live how they want to in their original homecountries. In fact I had religion classes in school as well but I think that if people come to west they should integrate completely.
I'm just not a huge fan of multiculturalism as it is now.

[Naushantiya]

I think to discriminate and to belittle is a trait central to European culture and European values as they have done so for most of their history. yesterday it were the jews and the Roma and today it is the muslims and the roma and tommorow it shall be someone else and of course the roma. I think European culture and European values are inherently discriminatory

[Dain II Ironfoot]

There is no problem with Islam in Europe. Only a loud minority claims so.
There are however some issues concerning immigration, but that isn't Islam related.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I think to discriminate and to belittle is a trait central to European culture and European values as they have done so for most of their history. yesterday it were the jews and the Roma and today it is the muslims and the roma and tommorow it shall be someone else and of course the roma. I think European culture and European values are inherently discriminatory

Oh for the love of fuck, not you again.

[Naushantiya]

I think to discriminate and to belittle is a trait central to European culture and European values as they have done so for most of their history. yesterday it were the jews and the Roma and today it is the muslims and the roma and tommorow it shall be someone else and of course the roma. I think European culture and European values are inherently discriminatory

Oh for the love of fuck, not you again.

No honey, I am not really interested in the love of fuck, not atleast with you

and if you don't have anything to say than don't say it

[The Nuclear Fist]

I think to discriminate and to belittle is a trait central to European culture and European values as they have done so for most of their history. yesterday it were the jews and the Roma and today it is the muslims and the roma and tommorow it shall be someone else and of course the roma. I think European culture and European values are inherently discriminatory

A lot like how honor rape, burning widowed women on their husbands' funeral pyres, awful bollywood flicks, discriminating against minority groups and other castes, and shitting in the street are inherent to Indian culture.

*nod nod not at all facetiously no siree bob*

[Naushantiya]

I think to discriminate and to belittle is a trait central to European culture and European values as they have done so for most of their history. yesterday it were the jews and the Roma and today it is the muslims and the roma and tommorow it shall be someone else and of course the roma. I think European culture and European values are inherently discriminatory

A lot like how honor rape, burning widowed women on their husbands' funeral pyres, awful bollywood flicks, discriminating against minority groups and other castes, and shitting in the street are inherent to Indian culture.

*nod nod not at all facetiously no siree bob*

discriminating against minority groups and other castes: With the exception of this all you said was a bunch of bullshit, but even this is with ering away and things are changing rapidly, I think by 2030-2040, it will just vanish and India would be all inter caste or on the road to being inter caste. Anyways this is a blot to our nation, I know the intentions of your post could very well be malicious but I am going to be the bigger man and assume good faith.

BUT STILL LET US GET TO EUROPE, YOUR WELCOME TO MAKE A THREAD ON INDIA BUT THIS IS ABOUT ISLAM AND the YO! ROPE

[The Nuclear Fist]

A lot like how honor rape, burning widowed women on their husbands' funeral pyres, awful bollywood flicks, discriminating against minority groups and other castes, and shitting in the street are inherent to Indian culture.

*nod nod not at all facetiously no siree bob*

discriminating against minority groups and other castes: With the exception of this all you said was a bunch of bullshit, but even this is with ering away and things are changing rapidly, I think by 2030-2040, it will just vanish and India would be all inter caste or on the road to being inter caste. Anyways this is a blot to our nation, I know the intentions of your post could very well be malicious but I am going to be the bigger man and assume good faith.

BUT STILL LET US GET TO EUROPE, YOUR WELCOME TO MAKE A THREAD ON INDIA BUT THIS IS ABOUT ISLAM AND the YO! ROPE

It's an honest comparison. Discrimination and bigotry is to European culture as honor rape, shitting in the street, and discrimination/bigotry is to Indian culture.

Did your jimmies rustle? I apologise, it wasn't my intention. Honestly, babe. Seriously, I'm so super serious right now. Are you even Indian? I couldn't tell. Which tribe? I used to know a Cherokee fella.

[Naushantiya]

discriminating against minority groups and other castes: With the exception of this all you said was a bunch of bullshit, but even this is with ering away and things are changing rapidly, I think by 2030-2040, it will just vanish and India would be all inter caste or on the road to being inter caste. Anyways this is a blot to our nation, I know the intentions of your post could very well be malicious but I am going to be the bigger man and assume good faith.

BUT STILL LET US GET TO EUROPE, YOUR WELCOME TO MAKE A THREAD ON INDIA BUT THIS IS ABOUT ISLAM AND the YO! ROPE

It's an honest comparison. Discrimination and bigotry is to European culture as honor rape, shitting in the street, and discrimination/bigotry is to Indian culture.

Did your jimmies rustle? I apologise, it wasn't my intention. Honestly, babe. Seriously, I'm so super serious right now. Are you even Indian? I couldn't tell. Which tribe? I used to know a Cherokee fella.

As I have said, these primarily stereotypes except the point that I have addressed

I am going to ignore rest of the garbled transmission

[Ostroeuropa]

It's just another expression of the usual racial tensions, but with a religious twist.
It can be fixed the same way. Force the kids to go to the same schools, and in a generation it'll work out. Kids tend to be better at looking past this bullshit.

[The Nuclear Fist]

It's an honest comparison. Discrimination and bigotry is to European culture as honor rape, shitting in the street, and discrimination/bigotry is to Indian culture.

Did your jimmies rustle? I apologise, it wasn't my intention. Honestly, babe. Seriously, I'm so super serious right now. Are you even Indian? I couldn't tell. Which tribe? I used to know a Cherokee fella.

As I have said, these primarily stereotypes except the point that I have addressed

I am going to ignore rest of the garbled transmission

Ah, so it's only wrong when white Europeans do it. Gotcha.

[Naushantiya]

As I have said, these primarily stereotypes except the point that I have addressed

I am going to ignore rest of the garbled transmission

Ah, so it's only wrong when white Europeans do it. Gotcha.

You do whatever you wish to in your lands, it is not my problem, not passing judgement here

[Claven]

Can anyone answer then what are the islamic things that western europeans do everyday? How is islam part of their culture (ethics, songs etc)?

Numbers are from Arabs. A lot of literal texts were taken care of muslims. If muslims had not taken care of the litterature from Europe, Europe would have lost a lot of their knowledge about known philiosphers like Plato and Aristotle.

Technically, the numerals we use today are Indian, but we got them from through contact with the Muslim world

[Teemant]

It's just another expression of the usual racial tensions, but with a religious twist.
It can be fixed the same way. Force the kids to go to the same schools, and in a generation it'll work out. Kids tend to be better at looking past this bullshit.

Just couldn't post without mentioning race eventhough religion has nothing to do with race.

[MERIZoC]

Christianity and Judaism are also alien. I guess that there aren't actually any European countries.

Actually not. European cultures stem from the Christianity directly as the two are mutual influenced. Also Christianity in Europe was there long before most European nation existed.

Before most modern nations? As was Islam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_Caliphate

European culture does not stem from Islam. Islam never influenced the renaissance, baroque, Elightement, Romanticism, French revolution, Bolshevik revolution, Bolshevik revolution, Late Antiquity, Middle Ages... all the pillars of European though and civilisation. But they did influenced, or were influenced or directly interacted with Christianity and to some extend Judaism.

Pretty sure Christianity didn't influence a lot of those things either, including the Bolshevik revolution and the Bolshevik revolution. I'd also like to register my amusement at you considering the Middle Ages to be a pillar of European civilization, especially given what the Muslim world was up to at that point.

Christianity was given to Europe as part of Roman heritage together with the Latin language. It was here before the great migration started.

Also the last argument. Christianity was spread in Europe mostly peacefull and voluntarly. Islam not, it was artifically implanted by Asiatic hordes as part of their conquest mission. Yes, it was spread by means.of violence (forced islamisation)

Christianity wasn't spread violently? That's completely dishonest. Roman persecution of non-Christians, forced conversions, and the Inquisitions all mark European history. Christianity was certainly violent.

[MERIZoC]

It's just another expression of the usual racial tensions, but with a religious twist.
It can be fixed the same way. Force the kids to go to the same schools, and in a generation it'll work out. Kids tend to be better at looking past this bullshit.

Just couldn't post without mentioning race eventhough religion has nothing to do with race.

In theory. In practice, many simply don't like brown people, but don't want to be called racist.

[The Nuclear Fist]

You do whatever you wish to in your lands, it is not my problem, not passing judgement here

And that's all fine and dandy, except by claiming that European culture is inherently bigoted and discriminatory, you have already passed an ignorant and uniformed judgement. Try and wriggle out of being confirmed as a bigot all you want, but I've got a spell that'll make you show your true form. Cave rat taught it to me.

[Teemant]

Just couldn't post without mentioning race eventhough religion has nothing to do with race.

In theory. In practice, many simply don't like brown people, but don't want to be called racist.

In reality huge numbers of muslims are asians (Malaysia, Indonesia etc) and black people. Some people are just trying too hard to make it racial issue.

[Europa Peoples Republic]

In my own opinion. Stop all Immigrant flows from the Middle East. and you will see the issue will drop dramatically.. Just because there are islamic Fundamentalist groups running around the influx of Islamist Refugees increased... All i care about is this Immigration flow to Stop.. or just simply.. Europe.. Stop fucking letting them in..

[Claven]

In my own opinion. Stop all Immigrant flows from the Middle East. and you will see the issue will drop dramatically.. Just because there are islamic Fundamentalist groups running around the influx of Islamist Refugees increased... All i care about is this Immigration flow to Stop.. or just simply.. Europe.. Stop fucking letting them in..

I'm sure the native Americans would have loved that opportunity. Not to mention that if immigration from the Middle East to Europe was prevented around 50000 years ago, there would be no "white" europeans

[Neo Telangana]

Muhammad was a pedophile who married a girl at the age of six and f*cked her when she was only nine. He was also an illiterate warlord who slaughtered Arabs who did not want to follow his barbaric Abrahamic cult. This by itself would not be a huge problem (it was rather normal by 7th century standards), except millions of Muslims in the 21st century think that this horrid individual was God's Chosen Messenger, and represents the epitome of humanity. The name "Muhammad" is apparently the most common first name in the world. Can you imagine being named after a medieval, pedophile warlord?

[Napkiraly]

Muhammad was a pedophile who married a girl at the age of six and f*cked her when she was only nine. He was also an illiterate warlord who slaughtered Arabs who did not want to follow his barbaric Abrahamic cult. This by itself would not be a huge problem (it was rather normal by 7th century standards), except millions of Muslims in the 21st century think that this horrid individual was God's Chosen Messenger, and represents the epitome of humanity. The name "Muhammad" is apparently the most common first name in the world. Can you imagine being named after a medieval, pedophile warlord?

Considering how many people share the name of other not so great religious leaders (Joshua for instance), not that shocking. Oh then we have people named Julius.

And you know Islam isn't the only Abrahamic religion to hold people who did some rather shite things in reverence. Then of course there are the non-religious figures held in high esteem that did some rather shitty things. For instance some people still like Oliver Cromwell.