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by Knootoss » Wed May 13, 2015 1:11 pm
by Sciongrad » Wed May 13, 2015 3:11 pm
Tzorsland wrote:And thus we get to another dirty little secret. Stat wank speaking, no other nation exists. No nation can do anything to any other nation from a stat wank point of view. Even the GA resolution is only all the members stat wanking the same thing at the same time. Cooperation, coordination, and such committee tings is complete fluff ... THIS AIN'T NO MODEL UN.
Thus I can easily see a reasonable point of view that would state that WA Resolutions result in national laws enforced by nations and maintained by nations. Questions of WA funding, committees, and so forth become moot. The fact that this is exactly what happens from a stat wank perspective is only harmonizing the game role play with the game reality.
by Krioval » Wed May 13, 2015 3:27 pm
by Old Hope » Wed May 13, 2015 3:31 pm
Krioval wrote:Why not just assume that it is implied that the WA bureaucracy itself is checking periodically to see that all member nations are in compliance. We do receive telegrams from the World Assembly Compliance Agency after every GA resolution passes. Also, I think that the idea of making smaller, more targeted resolutions would improve the longevity of the GA by making it possible to pass similar resolutions on a broad topic. Thoughts/analysis?
Imperium Anglorum wrote:The format wars are a waste of time.
by The Dark Star Republic » Wed May 13, 2015 3:32 pm
Krioval wrote:Why not just assume that it is implied that the WA bureaucracy itself is checking periodically to see that all member nations are in compliance.
by Sciongrad » Wed May 13, 2015 3:43 pm
Krioval wrote:Why not just assume that it is implied that the WA bureaucracy itself is checking periodically to see that all member nations are in compliance. We do receive telegrams from the World Assembly Compliance Agency after every GA resolution passes. Also, I think that the idea of making smaller, more targeted resolutions would improve the longevity of the GA by making it possible to pass similar resolutions on a broad topic. Thoughts/analysis?
by Frisbeeteria » Wed May 13, 2015 5:19 pm
The Dark Star Republic wrote:But how could we possibly "assume" the existence of major committees like the WTC or WHA?
by The Dark Star Republic » Thu May 14, 2015 2:27 am
Frisbeeteria wrote:The Dark Star Republic wrote:But how could we possibly "assume" the existence of major committees like the WTC or WHA?
We've got a bit of a conundrum here. We can't have the committee, and we can't NOT have the committee. That's why we went with the silly/stupid convention of "gnomes".
I've never had any problem with a group of players setting up a RP thread over in NationStates or II can calling themselves "The WA committee on <fillintheblank>" They can hold all the committee meetings they want and make any decisions they want.
What they can't do is impose their ideas on nations that haven't signed up for that roleplay. For that matter, there's no way to force even signed up nations into answering issues in a way that doesn't contradict the committee rulings. A core part of the game is that the actions of a single nation don't impact any other nation's stats or operations, with the single exception of a game-wide WA vote. Another core part of the game/forums is that all roleplay is consensual. You can't force another nation to go to war with you, or enter treaties with you, or sit on committees with you.
When you work on the Committee rule, you have to keep it simple. The game simply can't allow the necessary complexity needed to address most of these concerns.
by Bears Armed » Thu May 14, 2015 10:14 am
But then so, of course, would abolishing the entire WA...Knootoss wrote:It might be that everything looks like a nail when you have a hammer, but I would submit that abolishing committees would untangle this knot pretty much instantly!
Because some committees do -- and have to do -- more than just see that all member nations are in compliance?Krioval wrote:Why not just assume that it is implied that the WA bureaucracy itself is checking periodically to see that all member nations are in compliance. We do receive telegrams from the World Assembly Compliance Agency after every GA resolution passes.
And how long before the membership gets fed up with passing yet more resolutions on subtly different aspects of a topic that has already had other aspects addressed in several earlier ones? Consider [for example] the potential proposal on Ozone-depleting chemicals that I mentioned earlier, and how many separate proposals -- probably almost identical to each other in everything except the names of the chemicals targeted -- we could need to lay down schedules for reducing levels of each of the numerous substances involved if we couldn't just assign that duty to a committee...Krioval wrote: Also, I think that the idea of making smaller, more targeted resolutions would improve the longevity of the GA by making it possible to pass similar resolutions on a broad topic. Thoughts/analysis?
by Glen-Rhodes » Thu May 14, 2015 1:59 pm
by Railana » Fri May 15, 2015 5:44 am
by Imperium Anglorum » Fri May 15, 2015 12:05 pm
Railana wrote:Also, I'd like to point out that committees aren't just responsible for making policy. Some handle dispute resolution between nations, for instance. I don't see how that would be possible without a committee.
by Sovreignry » Fri May 15, 2015 12:54 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Railana wrote:Also, I'd like to point out that committees aren't just responsible for making policy. Some handle dispute resolution between nations, for instance. I don't see how that would be possible without a committee.
Just playing devil's advocate here — but couldn't they handle disputes by ... having their ambassadors talk to each other and negotiating? The WA hasn't banned negotiations outside a WA office, has it?
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by The Candy Of Bottles » Sun May 17, 2015 6:04 pm
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