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Official Statement from the New Pacific Order

Postby Pierconium » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:02 am

Official Statement from the New Pacific Order
Regarding recent events in Lazarus


First, to those that will instantly spout that this is just propaganda, you are correct. This is propaganda. That is the nature of political announcements, welcome to NS reality. Now, with that out of the way...

This statement is designed simply to clarify a few points of fact that have been misconstrued or otherwise misrepresented by certain parties here and elsewhere in the Nation States world.

To state that the New Pacific Order as a political entity is wholly innocent in the turmoil of the last couple of weeks would be untrue, and I will not attempt to say so today. To state that all fault lies within the hands of former-Senator and ex-Regent Feux would be equally untrue, so again, I will not attempt to say so today. While some have attempted to turn this into a scapegoating routine, that is not what is happening here. Feux is not a scapegoat for the New Pacific Order in regards to what has occurred in Lazarus. Feux made some mistakes and yes, ultimately the plans he laid out faltered and failed, and just to be clear, this is why he was removed as Regent. Political blunders have consequences. This has been true in The Pacific for generations and other Senators have been rehabilitated and gone on to lead the region after periods of disgrace and humiliation. Feux subsequently has resigned the Senate, but not the NPO. His nation was removed from the WA because outside forces were plotting to endorse his nation in attempts to disrupt our selected way of life, something that reeks of hypocrisy at its finest.

Further, in regards to A mean old man and his claims to reinstatement into the Pacific Senate, I state again that this was untrue. At no point was AMOM reinstated into the Pacific Senate. At no point did he have access to NPO governmental forums. What seems to have occurred, depending upon who you ask, is that AMOM saw an opportunity to impress himself into the current situation as it developed because of RL ties to certain parties involved. Feux may have offered a reinstatement, again, depending upon who you ask, but this was subsequently shifted into an appointment into the NLO Senate, which was not in any way, shape, or form speaking for the NPO at any time. Further, AMOM's association with forum breaker 94 block was disavowed at the earliest stages by the Emperor of the NPO and the offending nation was banned from the forums. The NPO has held no association with this nation, regardless of what the NLO may have decided to do independently of us.

So, to the matter at hand. The NPO assisted in the founding of the PRL and subsequently supported the NLO after the independent actions of the Lazarus leadership in removing Funkadelia et al. In hindsight, backing the impulsive horse was probably not the best course of action in this situation. Compounding it further by incorporating the Lazarene Senate into the NPO boards was quite clearly an error in judgement. For that, and that alone, the NPO apologizes to the people of Lazarus. For our part, we wish the new government in Lazarus well.

We do not apologize for assisting a troubled region in setting up a stable government at their request. We do not apologize for sharing our culture with others in the hopes that they can find the peace and tranquility that we have experienced in The Pacific for over a decade. But, we do not condone the forced incorporation of our ideals upon the other GCRs. If any individual member of the NPO has made such a claim, they speak from their own point of view and not the point of view of the Emperor or Senate as a whole.

To those regions that believe this is an opportunity to seek political isolation of The Pacific for your own gains, you are not the first and likely will not be the last to attempt to do so. Personally, I believe this to be an opportunity for a strengthening of relations between The Pacific and the other GCRs, but do as you will. We will survive. We always do.

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Postby Pierconium » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:04 am

My online presence will be sporadic tonight but I will address concerns or comments tomorrow.
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Postby Killer Kitty » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:09 am

Wonderfully crafted propaganda, I will give you that.

However, will it work? Only time will tell. I believe quite a lot of people hold the New Pacific Order personally responsible for what happened in Lazarus.

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Postby New Emeritus » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:11 am

Mighty convenient this is announced after the Liberation......
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Postby Roderia » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:14 am

Killer Kitty wrote:Wonderfully crafted propaganda, I will give you that.

However, will it work? Only time will tell. I believe quite a lot of people hold the New Pacific Order personally responsible for what happened in Lazarus.

One major issue, it is too long. The people you are trying to convince are idiots, propaganda needs to be simple and quick. And it needs to be something that the opposition can't twist to demonise you.
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Postby Kazmr » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:21 am

We do not apologize for assisting a troubled region in setting up a stable government at their request.


How do you reconcile this with the fact that those 'requesting' help were themselves members, some very high ranking, of the NPO? The Regent, in fact. That would seem to me to be a mighty big conflict of interest.

May I ask whether or not Feux, as regent, could have been considered to be speaking for "the point of view of the Emperor or Senate as a whole"?
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Postby Killer Kitty » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:23 am

Kazmr wrote:May I ask whether or not Feux, as regent, could have been considered to be speaking for "the point of view of the Emperor or Senate as a whole"?


Well, unless I am mistaken, Ivan is a Regent now, and he seems to be speaking on behalf of the New Pacific Order as a whole.

Food for thought.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:42 am

Not enough 'Hail Francos' to be proper propaganda, Pierconium :p
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Postby Ainocra » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:27 am

Political Isolation is a course that you as a region have chosen for yourselves. No one imposed it on you. As you said, political blunders have consequences.
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Postby Belschaft » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:29 am

Well, that's an entirely unconvincing attempt at damage control. I seriously doubt this statement will have any effect on anyone of importance's opinion.

Words are meaningless; it is actions that count. Had Krull elected to issue this before the liberation of Lazarus this might have been significant, and actually saved the NPO's reputation. No credible GCR government will be willing to either trust the NPO or work with it. Those GCR politicians that were previously supportive of the NPO, most notably Unibot, have been humiliated over the last two weeks and their policy destroyed. Those who cautioned against the NPO have been vindicated.
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Postby Kringalia » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:50 am

1. How exactly is failing at an attempt to colonize a GCR* an opportunity to create closer relations between the Pacific and other GCRs?
2. How can you say that with a straight face?

* Because that is what this was. Call if "assistance" all you want, that doesn't change the facts.
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Postby Loftegen » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:00 pm

Kringalia wrote:2. How can you say that with a straight face?

He's a politician. Lying with a straight face is part of the required skill set.

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Postby Lazmac » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:00 pm

Pierconium wrote:Feux made some mistakes and yes, ultimately the plans he laid out faltered and failed, and just to be clear, this is why he was removed as Regent. Political blunders have consequences. This has been true in The Pacific for generations and other Senators have been rehabilitated and gone on to lead the region after periods of disgrace and humiliation. Feux subsequently has resigned the Senate, but not the NPO. His nation was removed from the WA because outside forces were plotting to endorse his nation in attempts to disrupt our selected way of life, something that reeks of hypocrisy at its finest.

I think this is perhaps the most overlooked part of the whole statement, and bears highlighting. You're already paving the way for Feux's "rehabilitation" and reinstatement to the Senate in the future. This is the same song and dance that the New Pacific Order played with Milograd after his coup d'etat against The South Pacific in 2013, which also resulted in a hit to NPO credibility, though not of this magnitude. You're going to remove him from the Senate and then later quietly reinstate him after he's been "rehabilitated," which is to say, when you've judged that everyone has moved on and there will be no consequences for his reinstatement.

This, more than anything else, highlights how little sincerity is to be found in this statement.

Regarding outside forces plotting against the NPO, get used to it. Aggression against other regions has consequences, and no, it is not hypocritical to retaliate against such aggression, nor to attempt to overthrow a tyrannical government that has again and again for more than a decade decided of its own free will to be one of the greatest threats to the sovereignty of its fellow Feeders and Sinkers. You don't get to play the victim because you have smashed your own legitimacy and endangered your own security.

Pierconium wrote:Further, in regards to A mean old man and his claims to reinstatement into the Pacific Senate, I state again that this was untrue. At no point was AMOM reinstated into the Pacific Senate. At no point did he have access to NPO governmental forums. What seems to have occurred, depending upon who you ask, is that AMOM saw an opportunity to impress himself into the current situation as it developed because of RL ties to certain parties involved. Feux may have offered a reinstatement, again, depending upon who you ask, but this was subsequently shifted into an appointment into the NLO Senate, which was not in any way, shape, or form speaking for the NPO at any time. Further, AMOM's association with forum breaker 94 block was disavowed at the earliest stages by the Emperor of the NPO and the offending nation was banned from the forums. The NPO has held no association with this nation, regardless of what the NLO may have decided to do independently of us.

None of this has any credibility. Literally no one should believe it. AMOM announced his reinstatement to the Senate a week ago, and the NPO did not deny that reinstatement until after the liberation. I have no idea how you've gotten him and Feux to agree not to dispute this blatant lie, but regardless it should be apparent to everyone that it is a blatant lie. The NPO had no problem with AMOM saying that he had been reinstated to its Senate until after the NPO/NLO lost Lazarus, at which point, magically, he had never been reinstated at all. Bull.

Pierconium wrote:So, to the matter at hand. The NPO assisted in the founding of the PRL and subsequently supported the NLO after the independent actions of the Lazarus leadership in removing Funkadelia et al. In hindsight, backing the impulsive horse was probably not the best course of action in this situation. Compounding it further by incorporating the Lazarene Senate into the NPO boards was quite clearly an error in judgement. For that, and that alone, the NPO apologizes to the people of Lazarus. For our part, we wish the new government in Lazarus well.

"[P]robably not the best course of action..." :lol:

A more heartfelt apology I've never seen. Yeah, I would say that taking over Lazarus and giving the region some space on the NPO forum in which the NLO "community" could be under your close colonial supervision was not the best course of action.

Pierconium wrote:We do not apologize for assisting a troubled region in setting up a stable government at their request. We do not apologize for sharing our culture with others in the hopes that they can find the peace and tranquility that we have experienced in The Pacific for over a decade. But, we do not condone the forced incorporation of our ideals upon the other GCRs. If any individual member of the NPO has made such a claim, they speak from their own point of view and not the point of view of the Emperor or Senate as a whole.

"[A] stable government"? What would you describe as stable about the NLO? Was it the native purges, the two "Emperors" in one week, the mass support of foreign raider opportunists, or the collusion with forum destroyers?

Regarding the sharing of your culture, that's a very creative way to talk about an attempt to obliterate the culture of another region and replace it with your own. This idea that you don't condone "the forced incorporation of [your] ideals upon the other GCRs" is utterly ridiculous -- until the moment Lazarus was liberated, that was exactly what you condoned. I don't just mean that's what the NPO condoned, I mean that's what you condoned, Senator Pierconium. Until Lazarus was liberated, you were active on this forum defending the NPO's colonization of Lazarus. And you're the Regent who is supposed to make us believe the NPO doesn't condone what you, yourself, were defending just days ago?

Pierconium wrote:To those regions that believe this is an opportunity to seek political isolation of The Pacific for your own gains, you are not the first and likely will not be the last to attempt to do so. Personally, I believe this to be an opportunity for a strengthening of relations between The Pacific and the other GCRs, but do as you will. We will survive. We always do.

Thank you.

Survive or not, at least you can survive in isolation, obscurity, and irrelevance.

If Krulltopia wants to save the credibility of the NPO, he should purge the Senate in its entirety, step down, and name Elegarth the Emperor as Elegarth is the only Senator who had the sense to oppose this imperialist adventure from the beginning. The Ivan Moldavi song and dance isn't impressing anyone.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:01 pm

Well that was an interesting read. I have seen some well thought out bullshit in my time, but this takes the cake. You stuck your hand in the cookie jar and got caught, so now you are trying to explain your way out of it. Not unlike a diligent mother, the community at large has seen these excuses from your regime before, and is not going to believe them. The best thing you can do is actually come clean for one, but we all know that is not going to happen.
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Postby Killer Kitty » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:09 pm

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:The best thing you can do is actually come clean for one, but we all know that is not going to happen.


There is no benefit from the NPO coming clean and it doesn't fit in with their narrative.

The best they can hope to do is issue statements like these and hope people believe them while, at the same time, praying that time erodes all our memories of the events.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that The Pacific has put themselves in a very dangerous position and has most of the game world against them. This sort of backlash hasn't been seen in The Pacific since the days of Franco.

I wonder how long it will be until someone tries to recreate a version of old The Pacific Army resistance group.

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Postby Takaram » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:18 pm

This might carry weight if it had been published a week ago. Now? Not so much.

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Postby Prostokvashino » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:18 pm

I'm eagerly anticipating the followup treatise on why Santa Claus is, in fact, real.

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Postby The Agnostic Collective » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:19 pm

I'm inclined to disbelieve such folly. Throughout the whole thing, neither Krulltopia or anyone else addressed the situation until it blew up in the face of the NPO. Even Stujenske was silent in all of this and that's the best you can do? I've come up with better lies when I was eight :P

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:27 pm

Prostokvashino wrote:I'm eagerly anticipating the followup treatise on why Santa Claus is, in fact, real.


:blink: He's not? What the fuck man?

The Agnostic Collective wrote:I'm inclined to disbelieve such folly. Throughout the whole thing, neither Krulltopia or anyone else addressed the situation until it blew up in the face of the NPO. Even Stujenske was silent in all of this and that's the best you can do? I've come up with better lies when I was eight :P


It's the old kill them with silence treatment, because it worked so well for the Japanese at the end of WW2. Oh wait!!!
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Postby Comrade Santa » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:55 pm

Prostokvashino wrote:I'm eagerly anticipating the followup treatise on why Santa Claus is, in fact, real.

But I am!

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Postby Zemnaya Svoboda » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:16 pm

Pierconium wrote:
Official Statement from the New Pacific Order
Regarding recent events in Lazarus


First, to those that will instantly spout that this is just propaganda, you are correct. This is propaganda. That is the nature of political announcements, welcome to NS reality. Now, with that out of the way...

This statement is designed simply to clarify a few points of fact that have been misconstrued or otherwise misrepresented by certain parties here and elsewhere in the Nation States world.


I knew what I was in for after this immediate contradiction.

I will not characterize it, as that would be rude.

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Postby Crazy girl » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:32 pm

Hello Ivan, nice to see you back.

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:40 pm

Crazy girl wrote:Hello Ivan, nice to see you back.

Shit is about to get real.

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Re: Official Statement from the New Pacific Order

Postby Southern Bellz » Thu Apr 23, 2015 1:57 pm

I don't think being unapologetic about using force on GCRs to impose your culture is the platform upon which you improve your GCR relations.

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